Sad sad day for the Corp

[Fritz The Cat]

This pic has gone viral and is being talked about all over the Internet. No doubt there will be serious repercussions for this "couple".

Makes me want to puke, I wish I had never seen it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107338/Gay-marines-follow-wake-lesbian-home-coming-kiss.html

 

[The Anvil]

Am I supposed to be upset that a gay man is serving his country?

I think it's a sad day when we invalidate men and women who put their lives on the line to protect us just because of their sexual preference. As far as I'm concerned as long as they can kill the enemy they can suck enough wang that if laid end to end they'd reach to the moon and back.

[Serk]

Sorry, but for me, there are far FAR worse things going on in this country right now than that IMHO...

[Skinhead]

Well, if I had my druthers, I'd rather be samiched twixt the navy chicks, as I told you all before, I'm a raging lesbian.  I can't say as the picture of the marine does much for me other than make me want to puke, but as long as he's willing to serve, I support him and thank him for his sacrifice. 

[f6john]

We live in a great country. No line we won't cross, and once crossed we look for the next line to trample. Then once the line is crossed it's not enough, it has to be in your face. We're so liberal that we say, there are worse things, and I agree. How long before sex between minors is ok, they're just kids exploring and experimenting? How long before sex between adults and minors is acceptable as long as there is consent, kids are maturing sooner, it's the 21st century for crying out loud. The picture doesn't bother me, their have been queers for centuries. What bothers me is the willingness of the population in general to swallow anything and everything that comes along. It doesn't happen overnight, but slowly and surely we let a great country slip into decline and decay. Sadly, it is my generations fault and failings that has led us here, our children and grandchildern get the burden of our mistakes. Respectfully submitted for your consideration, I have been known to be wrong before.

[The Anvil]

We live in a great country. No line we won't cross, and once crossed we look for the next line to trample. Then once the line is crossed it's not enough, it has to be in your face. We're so liberal that we say, there are worse things, and I agree. How long before sex between minors is ok, they're just kids exploring and experimenting? How long before sex between adults and minors is acceptable as long as there is consent, kids are maturing sooner, it's the 21st century for crying out loud. The picture doesn't bother me, their have been queers for centuries. What bothers me is the willingness of the population in general to swallow anything and everything that comes along. It doesn't happen overnight, but slowly and surely we let a great country slip into decline and decay. Sadly, it is my generations fault and failings that has led us here, our children and grandchildern get the burden of our mistakes. Respectfully submitted for your consideration, I have been know to be wrong before.

You're talking ragtime now.

[Skinhead]

We live in a great country. No line we won't cross, and once crossed we look for the next line to trample. Then once the line is crossed it's not enough, it has to be in your face. We're so liberal that we say, there are worse things, and I agree. How long before sex between minors is ok, they're just kids exploring and experimenting? How long before sex between adults and minors is acceptable as long as there is consent, kids are maturing sooner, it's the 21st century for crying out loud. The picture doesn't bother me, their have been queers for centuries. What bothers me is the willingness of the population in general to swallow anything and everything that comes along. It doesn't happen overnight, but slowly and surely we let a great country slip into decline and decay. Sadly, it is my generations fault and failings that has led us here, our children and grandchildern get the burden of our mistakes. Respectfully submitted for your consideration, I have been know to be wrong before.

You're not wrong this time.

[musclehead]

well as a conservative which according to the left is a racist,sexist,homophobic,islamaphobic,bible thumping,gun toting,banjo playing,wife beating,nascar fan, I can only say thanks for your service, but please no PDA.

(that's Public Display of Affection for those oldsters here)

and as for the above description that's ridiculous, I don't watch nascar!

[Willow]

Corps

[Serk]

Corps

At least they didn't say corpse!

[Phil57]

Thanks Willow you beat me to it.
As a X Marine that served with gays [75-79] I can say I never had a problem and fully support there service to our country. As a Marine that has come home  after a long deployment{non combat} there is a lot of excitment to see your loved ones. To see a Marine jump into the arms with legs wraped around the waste of there partner or spouse or what ever is disresptful to the uniform and the Corps. I would feel the same if it was a female Marine jumping on her husband.
There has been to much history and sacrifice by some great Marines to see the lack of discipline plastered across the internet.

[3fan4life]

I FULLY REALIZE THAT IT IS A "DOUBLE" STANDARD, BUT:

WHILE THIS PICTURE DOESN'T BOTHER ME..................





I FIND THIS ONE TO BE GREATLY DISTURBING...................




THE TRUTH IS THAT AS A STRAIGHT MALE I SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HATE LESBIANS,

AFTER ALL THEY'RE "COMPETITION".   

[tank_post142]

i'm going with Anvil on this one. a hero is a hero. a soldier is a soldier. a Marine is a Marine. thats all there is to it. but PDA is incorrect in uniform.

[The Anvil]

i'm going with Anvil on this one. a hero is a hero. a soldier is a soldier. a Marine is a Marine. thats all there is to it. but PDA is incorrect in uniform.

Yeah beyond hugging it's inappropriate. But that is regardless of the relationship.

[f6john]

 Soooooo,,,, A Marine should not kiss his wife upon their first reunion after a deployment, just a hug, interesting set of standards.

[MarkT]

PDA in uniform is specifically proscribed.  And other behaviors that diminish the dignity of the uniform.  I think that's the word, but I'm paraphrasing from memory; didn't dig up any regs.  I recall getting chewed out, as an NCO who just returned from the nam, here in the states walking from the BX to my car, in uniform with my young daughter sitting on my shoulders.  cursed looey chewed me out in front of my daughter for inappropriate behavior in uniform.  I would have liked to chew him out back in spite of his rank, but my daughter was there so I didn't out of deference to her.  Frankly I didn't give a crap anymore, I had had it with the service by this time.  The only thing keeping me from punching out a couple lifers above me, was the threat of my tour being extended by a hitch in the brig - not a good plan when I'm about to separate with a pregnant wife, young child, and few prospects with my military skill - weapons - useless in the real world.

In any case, sucking face - of course back then it was hetero only; no one would have dared homo PDA then - could get you an Article 15.  Plenty of ate-up lifers with nothing to do, and stateside after the war was over they were looking to make the service unattractive; they were overstaffed by then.  Trying to cause attrition.

[donaldcc]

  few years in navy for me.   for you MarkT.  thanks for your service.  without being unpatriotic, lots of bs in the military and i could not wait to get out.  if some gay guy goes out on several tours and comes home safely good for him.  i don't care if he or she has someone to come home to that they care for. i also met many "lifers" that were in far beyond their productive time and were more of hinderance than a benefit for our country.  

  not wanting to be negative poster, but sometimes change is good! and fritz sorry you want "to puke" for someone who is serving "you".  too bad.





    

[donaldcc]

We live in a great country. No line we won't cross, and once crossed we look for the next line to trample. Then once the line is crossed it's not enough, it has to be in your face. We're so liberal that we say, there are worse things, and I agree. How long before sex between minors is ok, they're just kids exploring and experimenting? How long before sex between adults and minors is acceptable as long as there is consent, kids are maturing sooner, it's the 21st century for crying out loud. The picture doesn't bother me, their have been queers for centuries. What bothers me is the willingness of the population in general to swallow anything and everything that comes along. It doesn't happen overnight, but slowly and surely we let a great country slip into decline and decay. Sadly, it is my generations fault and failings that has led us here, our children and grandchildern get the burden of our mistakes. Respectfully submitted for your consideration, I have been know to be wrong before.

You're not wrong this time.

yes you are

[R J]

Corps

Thanks Gunny, ya beat me to it.

It is U S Marine Corps.

[Robert]

There are 2 things of importance here not one. First someone serving our country and next a blatant homosexual act being performed because dont ask dont tell has been dropped thanks to the Pres. You can not like one while appreciating the other. So all those that are for homosexuals dont lump peoples criticism into not appreciating what this person does in service to his country. Next it makes me wonder why this person joined the military too. Was it for a relationship or to serve. I guess the term looking for a few good men may have a new meaning these days. Please dont look at this last comment as a disrespect of our men in the military especially in the past, but this is the question that the new policy promotes. This person knows exactly what he is doing using the military as a backdrop for promotion of homosexuality. I find this persons lack of respect for the image of the military and show boating distasteful. Just another way to sully a image of things that are supposed to be held up with respect and dignity and self control. Just like men in Congress and the President used to command respect now you have to look at personal achievements to find if this person is due the respect of the office not a blanket respect like in times past.

[x]

and next a blatant homosexual act being performed

What 'blatant homosexual act"?  I've seen football players do something similar on field.  Besides, who gives a sh*t if it is homosexual?  As others noted, is it in keeping with propriety regardless of orientation?

because dont ask dont tell has been dropped thanks to the Pres.

Edit:  Personal attacks and image removed.

[ptgb]

i'm going with Anvil on this one. a hero is a hero. a soldier is a soldier. a Marine is a Marine. thats all there is to it. but PDA is incorrect in uniform.

Yeah beyond hugging it's inappropriate. But that is regardless of the relationship.

So, arguably one of the most iconic photos of the 20th century (or at least that era) is considered "inappropriate" or "incorrect"?

Interesting... and surprising...





With that logic... the above picture, the two male marines kissing and the two female sailors kissing should be all lumped together in the same category?

A slippery slope... especially from one of the most ardent "live and let live" members on this board (yeah, you Anvil)

[Robert]

Eagle there is nothing you can say that I would consider especially after the last post where you lead people on. Then got upset when that person in the pic was thought of as girl off the street. You used her and didn't protect her and her reputation by stating upfront who this girl was to you. Much less your inability not get someone in real life to fulfill what you implied in this pic or parade it on a motorcycle board in front of strangers after insulting a good majority of them. Also the crotch mirror hiding things was a nice touch. No criminal or depraved person thinks there wrong and that is the slippery slope. You are in the spot you are best suited for serving the ones that are in your words whores. This is what your opinion is worth.
   Let me also say this was just more than a kiss it was one man Jumping on and hanging on  another man like a little boy would hug his daddy. The innocence of the pic of the little boy is partly taken away by someone parading there own agenda. It has bent gender lines and distorted the pure and loving pics that have touched all our hearts in the past.
   Military men are the pride of this nation but one things they are taught is discipline this shows none of that.

[musclehead]

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you've seen NFL players kissing on the lips? I've never seen that. I've seen Bill Cower smack a QB on THE CHEEK. there's a big difference.

[Jack]

+1 to Clint Eastwood.

[Skinhead]

 

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A different opinion than yours does not a bigot make.  For someone who constanly clamours for facts and proof to back up their statements, where is yours that Robert is either a homophobe or a religious bigot?  Also, although the F word doesn't offend me I refrain from blantently posting it in public out of respect for those that are offended by it.  For someone who claims to be as enlightened as you do I'm surprised at times by your behavior.  You must thrive on the hostility directed at you, because you make no attempt to respect the opinions or beliefs those that disagree with you.  I'm done.

[Alien]

Am I supposed to be upset that a gay man is serving his country?

I think it's a sad day when we invalidate men and women who put their lives on the line to protect us just because of their sexual preference. As far as I'm concerned as long as they can kill the enemy they can suck enough wang that if laid end to end they'd reach to the moon and back.

Well said.  I agree 100%.

[The Anvil]

i'm going with Anvil on this one. a hero is a hero. a soldier is a soldier. a Marine is a Marine. thats all there is to it. but PDA is incorrect in uniform.

Yeah beyond hugging it's inappropriate. But that is regardless of the relationship.

So, arguably one of the most iconic photos of the 20th century (or at least that era) is considered "inappropriate" or "incorrect"?

Interesting... and surprising...





With that logic... the above picture, the two male marines kissing and the two female sailors kissing should be all lumped together in the same category?

A slippery slope... especially from one of the most ardent "live and let live" members on this board (yeah, you Anvil)

Actually by today's standards the actions in that pic amount to sexual assault. I'm not making that argument either.

Wrapping your legs around your significant other when returning from deployment is something that should be done behind closed doors. It's inappropriate in public like that whether gay, straight, in uniform or not. Is it jarring to see two men (one in uniform) doing it? Yeah it kind of is. But when you get past the initial shock it's not an earth-shattering event.

Inappropriate does not equate to criminal though. I'm not saying that it's a big deal, but it is what it is.

[Robert]

Skinhead
A different opinion than yours does not a bigot make.  For someone who constanly clamours for facts and proof to back up their statements, where is yours that Robert is either a homophobe or a religious bigot?  Also, although the F word doesn't offend me I refrain from blantently posting it in public out of respect for those that are offended by it.  For someone who claims to be as enlightened as you do I'm surprised at times by your behavior.  You must thrive on the hostility directed at you, because you make no attempt to respect the opinions or beliefs those that disagree with you.  I'm done.
[/quote]

 Everyone has a opinion which is what I am expressing. I like to backup statements where possible especially when it comes to how and what this country was founded on. As for religious zealot or homophobic I am neither, but I have been down wrong paths and know what it takes to bend enough of the rules to be in a grey area to let anything happen. This pic is pure publicity shot for homosexuals. Why dont we just have a married couple that come home fall on the floor and make passionate sex in front of everyone? I feel as it has always been that homosexuals should be allowed to enjoy the life they choose. I am not another mans keeper I have my own things to look out for. I know you may not like it but the Bible says love the sinner hate the sin and I do look at homosexuality as a sin. But let me give you a little insight so I am not called a bigot WE ALL SIN. It something we deal with everyday and if you ask me can homosexuals go to heaven I would say why not. That is for God to decide.

[Skinhead]

Skinhead
A different opinion than yours does not a bigot make.  For someone who constanly clamours for facts and proof to back up their statements, where is yours that Robert is either a homophobe or a religious bigot?  Also, although the F word doesn't offend me I refrain from blantently posting it in public out of respect for those that are offended by it.  For someone who claims to be as enlightened as you do I'm surprised at times by your behavior.  You must thrive on the hostility directed at you, because you make no attempt to respect the opinions or beliefs those that disagree with you.  I'm done.

 Everyone has a opinion which is what I am expressing. I like to backup statements where possible especially when it comes to how and what this country was founded on. As for religious zealot or homophobic I am neither, but I have been down wrong paths and know what it takes to bend enough of the rules to be in a grey area to let anything happen. This pic is pure publicity shot for homosexuals. Why dont we just have a married couple that come home fall on the floor and make passionate sex in front of everyone? I feel as it has always been that homosexuals should be allowed to enjoy the life they choose. I am not another mans keeper I have my own things to look out for. I know you may not like it but the Bible says love the sinner hate the sin and I do look at homosexuality as a sin. But let me give you a little insight so I am not called a bigot WE ALL SIN. It something we deal with everyday and if you ask me can homosexuals go to heaven I would say why not. That is for God to decide.
[/quote]

Robert,

My response above was to SE, in support of your position, from your post, I'm not sure you realize that.  I don't think you are a homophobe or religious aealot as SE claimed, hence my response.

[fudgie]

BS, they can show affection if they want. Should be no different if he was straight or gay. He would be just as excited.

I'm with SE on this one.

[LandElephant]

The action could be considered inappropriate if you consider the rules that govern the military.

Military individuals are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice or UCMJ.  Based on that document and the 134 articles written this action could in fact be inappropriate for "making a show of affection". Military people are held to a higher standard for good order and discpline.

Now before you slam me, again I am only stating what may be construde by this standard as inappropriate behavior.  The article that comes to mind is "Conduct unbecoming a NCO / Officer".  It would be up to the individual command to make that decision. If you think it's antiquated, so be it. Only congress and the military make the changes to this document.  And the UCMJ takes presidence over law.  It is why a military person can be tried and convicted in civil court, and punished under military rule. Unfair maybe, but it is what it is.

As far as inappropriate to my Marine Corps, I will let the Corps determine that.

Semper Fi

Charlie Morse (Land Elephant)

MSGT USMC RET.

OBTW, don't thank me for my service.  I didn't do it for you, I did it because it was my civic duty as an American citizen.

[czuch]

Land Elephant, I like your OBTW. Our freedom does taste sweeter. I'll fight harder to keep it.
I caught alot of crap for joning the Navy.  We knew who was and who wasnt. Had speculations about others. Nobody cared. Nobody got caught in an innapropriate circumstance.
As far as serving now, Its probably pretty weird.
USN 1975/1981