Rather Ironic Aint It?.....non Valk

[DIGGER]

Rather Ironic Isn't It?
The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever. 

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.
 

[x]

And the irony is.... ???

[3fan4life]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. 

[x]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. 

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

[The Anvil]

I don't see the irony at all. It implies that everyone on food stamps is a an animal. The reality is that many food-stamp recipients are under employed or underpaid average Joes and Janes who aren't exactly thrilled about being on government assistance. Many of them are VETERANS who served their country. Food stamps are not necessarily indicative of laziness or someone taking advantage of the system.

I grew up on welfare and food stamps because my mother was a single mom. It enabled her to be with me during my most important formative years. As a result, I learned right from wrong and am now a productive member of society that probably pays more in taxes than most of the people here bitching about the system. As soon as my mother was able to she went back to work and I became a latchkey kid. But by then I had been instilled with enough good sense to make the right choices. In my case government assistant resulted in a net positive.

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

[DIGGER]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

[The Anvil]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

[Skinhead]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees.  

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

I don't see the irony at all. It implies that everyone on food stamps is a an animal. The reality is that many food-stamp recipients are under employed or underpaid average Joes and Janes who aren't exactly thrilled about being on government assistance. Many of them are VETERANS who served their country. Food stamps are not necessarily indicative of laziness or someone taking advantage of the system.

I grew up on welfare and food stamps because my mother was a single mom. It enabled her to be with me during my most important formative years. As a result, I learned right from wrong and am now a productive member of society that probably pays more in taxes than most of the people here bitching about the system. As soon as my mother was able to she went back to work and I became a latchkey kid. But by then I had been instilled with enough good sense to make the right choices. In my case government assistant resulted in a net positive.

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

I see no slur or implication in the original post.  I see the OP pointing out the irony in the fact that the government fails to acknowledge the fact that providing hand outs can increase dependency.  Food stamps are not indicitive of laziness, although some reciepients are clearly abusing the system and have no intention of improving their lot in life.  

I do take exception with the statement that advil is now a productive member of society

[DIGGER]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

[Skinhead]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

Outstanding!   Now I get it!

[DIGGER]

And the irony is.... ???

and for you SE,   you don't see the irony?????    that the same gov't agency that says "don't feed the bear animals and the elk animals, etc. because they will become dependent on assistance"........the same govt agency is proud that they are helping human animals to become dependent on assistance in record numbers?   

[Bob E.]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

Your analogy works if there is an abundance of food for the foraging.  But what if there is no food (jobs) to forage (work) for? Or what if the food (jobs) they can find doesn't provide enough nutrition (pay) for them to keep forraging (buying groceries)?  Those animals (people) would starve and die...or start attacking other animals (people) to eat (rob) them for food.  You might be ok with this happening within our society...others think that would be a worse situation.  You know...like the situation was before we had programs like food stamps and welfare where people were starving and we as a nation said, "We need to do something about this!"

As to your original post, the only irony I see is that the food stamp program is actually a huge indirect subsidy to big agriculture...an industry that most of which is located in conservative, mostly republican states.   And they are the ones railing about the program and wanting to gut it.  Now that's IRONY!!!

[DIGGER]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

Your analogy works if there is an abundance of food for the foraging.  But what if there is no food (jobs) to forage (work) for? Or what if the food (jobs) they can find doesn't provide enough nutrition (pay) for them to keep forraging (buying groceries)?  Those animals (people) would starve and die...or start attacking other animals (people) to eat (rob) them for food.  You might be ok with this happening within our society...others think that would be a worse situation.  You know...like the situation was before we had programs like food stamps and welfare where people were starving and we as a nation said, "We need to do something about this!"

As to your original post, the only irony I see is that the food stamp program is actually a huge indirect subsidy to big agriculture...an industry that most of which is located in conservative, mostly republican states.   And they are the ones railing about the program and wanting to gut it.  Now that's IRONY!!!

You are right sir. I am all for assistance to those that need it,.   The system is so full of fraud that a large portion of govt assistance is going to people who CAN provide for themselves but chose to let the corn feeders feed them.  I got a problem with that.

[fubar606]

Rather Ironic Isn't It?
The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever. 

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.
 

       well with this in mind, how about we spay and nutter a few of them and release them back in their own neighborhood. that would keep them from over running the environment 

[Trynt]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. 

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

Since the majority of people on public assistance are white. Are you saying Digger is slurring the white race?

[The Anvil]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

So in short: I was right in my original assessment and you're still clueless. Got it. 

[DIGGER]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

So in short: I was right in my original assessment and you're still clueless. Got it.  

Weak reply.....I expected more.

[fon1961]

Best i can tell as of last august about 15% of the population was utilizing the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

ref: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/01/some-15-of-u-s-uses-food-stamps/

Found another interesting url that lets you peel the onion on demographics (by congressional district).  take a look if you'd like to make things objective.

ref: http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/SNAPCharacteristics/default.htm

one general take away is that there sure are a alot of folks on it.  i'm sure that some of them are milking the system and others are not.  i think that you would have to do a real deep dive into the data to draw any bold conclusions.

i do feel like our society has issues with entitlement.  greed, laziness, and blatant disregard for others are too prevalent.  just my opinions.

[fon1961]

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

btw, best i can tell based on all my redneck learning, all humans are animals 

[ptgb]

I only quickly looked at the stats linked above and only for my state (Ohio), because really I don't have much time and I'm not that interested...

I did find out relatively quickly that at least in Ohio, fully 70% of of the households that received this SNAP aid had either 1 or 2 workers in the household within the prior 12 months. What does this tell me? Probably upwards of 3/4 of the food aid in Ohio goes to the so called, "working poor", persons that recently lost work, or households that recently lost worker(s).

I have no problem with any of those.

[Bob E.]

SORRY, didn't know I was sending a message that was gonna go right over your heads.

Well bring it down to our level Einstein. Distill your brainy message into grunts and monosyllabic noises we can grasp.

allright, lets try.  To start with what makes you think we aren't animals?  Sure we are animals, just like everyother animal on this planet.  I'm an danimal, and you're an animal.
On my hunting lease I have an electronic corn feeder.   I pay big dollars to keep it full and it feeds corn 2 times a day.   Over time the deer, hogs, turkey, and other assorted animals have gotten to where they come to the feeder area and just lay up and wait for the corn to drop two times a day.  They hardly leave the area to forage on their own.  Why get out and find their own food when all they have to do is to just lay up under the feeder and wait for the corn to drop.   Same with Govt free assistance.  Why go out and work when they can just lay up and draw free assistance.  ....and they will lay up until the feed stops dropping and they have to go get their own forage by WORKING.  Just in case you don't see the correlation......electornic corn feeder = govt assistance.

Your analogy works if there is an abundance of food for the foraging.  But what if there is no food (jobs) to forage (work) for? Or what if the food (jobs) they can find doesn't provide enough nutrition (pay) for them to keep forraging (buying groceries)?  Those animals (people) would starve and die...or start attacking other animals (people) to eat (rob) them for food.  You might be ok with this happening within our society...others think that would be a worse situation.  You know...like the situation was before we had programs like food stamps and welfare where people were starving and we as a nation said, "We need to do something about this!"

As to your original post, the only irony I see is that the food stamp program is actually a huge indirect subsidy to big agriculture...an industry that most of which is located in conservative, mostly republican states.   And they are the ones railing about the program and wanting to gut it.  Now that's IRONY!!!

You are right sir. I am all for assistance to those that need it,.   The system is so full of fraud that a large portion of govt assistance is going to people who CAN provide for themselves but chose to let the corn feeders feed them.  I got a problem with that.

Do you have some actual statistics to back up that claim? The fact is that at this time of a very poor economy with high unemployment where there are nearly 5 applicants for every available job, yes we have many able-bodied folks who are probably on some kind of assistance.  But just because they are able or even willing...doesn't mean that there is a job opportunity out there for them.

We give a whole lot more money to corporations than we do to poor people.  And many of those corporations don't need it either.  The oil industry is at the top of the list.  We give them $Billions each year while they continue to make record profits and pay little to nothing in tax...all the while gas prices are going up and they are crying about the "marginal" corporate tax rate which has nothing to do with their "effective" tax rate that they actually pay.  I say if you want to cut real government waste, go where the real money is.

[fon1961]

ptgb,

had either 1 or 2 workers in the household within the prior 12 months.

i thought that category was pretty interesting as well.

[The Anvil]

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

btw, best i can tell based on all my redneck learning, all humans are animals 

Yes, technically we are all "animals" in terms of classification as animal, vegetable or mineral. But let's not hide behind semantics. We all know what's implied by that term as it relates to this discussion. 

[fon1961]

just tyring to take the edge off a little bit  .  there's points to be made on both sides if we'll open our minds a little and try to avoid the personal attacks in the process.

[The Anvil]

just tyring to take the edge off a little bit  .  there's points to be made on both sides if we'll open our minds a little and try to avoid the personal attacks in the process.

Fair enough. But I can' help but take remarks like the one that started this thread a little bit personally because I grew up on that stuff. Is there abuse? There's abuse of EVERY system. But it's a widely held misconception among certain groups that abuse is the norm rather than the exception.

[Oss]

so other than learning that Anvil has a "HOT"button what have we learned here

Foodstamps are part of the safety net that our society has set up for those who have what is considered
insufficient income to adequately nourish their families with food (not cigarettes or beer)

So there are some who may be milking the system, I for myself am comfortable knowing the program is in place to take care of families

Do I wish the govmt would do a better job of policing the system  yes

Is there an irony?   I suppose so but it is a pretty far stretch and the question presupposes those on the program are guilty of something

Anvil  good for your family and your mom for her perseverence,  I am not an adm
so my word dont mean squat but it would be nice if you and SE would.. Work on the a hole reflex its only gonna get worse as winter drags on  and it takes away from the many things you contribute

flame on

by the time this posted both fon and advil posted above

[The Anvil]

so other than learning that Anvil has a "HOT"button

Yeah I'll cop to that.

But winter is almost over (GOD I hope it's almost over...)

[Serk]

so other than learning that Anvil has a "HOT"button

Yeah I'll cop to that.

But winter is almost over (GOD I hope it's almost over...)

Rode about 150 miles today wearing short sleeves in bright sunshine and near 80 degrees, split between the Valk and the ST1300... "Winter" can hang on a while longer as far as I'm concerned!

[Thespian]

Rode about 150 miles today wearing short sleeves in bright sunshine and near 80 degrees, split between the Valk and the ST1300... "Winter" can hang on a while longer as far as I'm concerned!
[/quote]

   I'm sick of polishing my Valk.    hope you eat a bee!  

[Titan]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees.  

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

I grew up on welfare and food stamps because my mother was a single mom. It enabled her to be with me during my most important formative years. As a result, I learned right from wrong and am now a productive member of society that probably pays more in taxes than most of the people here bitching about the system. As soon as my mother was able to she went back to work and I became a latchkey kid. But by then I had been instilled with enough good sense to make the right choices. In my case government assistant resulted in a net positive.

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

I do take exception with the statement that advil is now a productive member of society

And he (Anvil) really shouldn't be trying to blame his mom for the way he turned out! 

[x]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees. 

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

Since the majority of people on public assistance are white. Are you saying Digger is slurring the white race?

No - he's slurring people on food stamps.  They will become 'dependent'.  They won't behave any different than a deer at a corn feeder.  Get it?

[x]

i·ro·ny

noun, plural -nies.

1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2. Literature:
a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

[The Anvil]

And the irony is.... ???

You obviously can't see the forest for the trees.  

I see both quite clearly.  I also see the inherent slur in Digger's post.  Can you?

I grew up on welfare and food stamps because my mother was a single mom. It enabled her to be with me during my most important formative years. As a result, I learned right from wrong and am now a productive member of society that probably pays more in taxes than most of the people here bitching about the system. As soon as my mother was able to she went back to work and I became a latchkey kid. But by then I had been instilled with enough good sense to make the right choices. In my case government assistant resulted in a net positive.

If you think that people on welfare and food stamps are animals then you can please go and eff yourself.

I do take exception with the statement that advil is now a productive member of society

And he (Anvil) really shouldn't be trying to blame his mom for the way he turned out! 

SOMEONE has to take responsibility for this.

[RDAbull]

I hate to break it to you gang, but the National Park System is part of the Department of the Interior not the Department of Agriculture.

[x]

I hate to break it to you gang, but the National Park System is part of the Department of the Interior not the Department of Agriculture.

Isn't that ironic?

[Skinhead]

WOW!  That IS ironic.

[RP#62]

I couldn't get the top off of the anti-seize can.  I think it was stuck.  I thought that was ironic.
-RP

[Skinhead]

I couldn't get the top off of the anti-seize can.  I think it was stuck.  I thought that was ironic.
-RP

 

[john]

     
RP#62 
s h u t  u p !          

[MP]

I hate to break it to you gang, but the National Park System is part of the Department of the Interior not the Department of Agriculture.

Yes, but the Food Stamp Program IS administered by the Dept. of Ag.  Sorry to deflate the premise.

MP