Biblical things to ponder??

[larswlvs]

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

I know some of you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Playing devils advocate 

[bigguy]

[BF]

Oh hot diggity dog......a religious thread.   

[solo1]

Sounds more like a fishin' expedition

[Tundra]

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Sounds more like a fishin' expedition

I agree 

[Warlock]

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

I know some of you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Playing devils advocate 

david

[Fritz The Cat]

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

I know some of you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Playing devils advocate 

Ha Ha, that's funny. 

[oZ]

Bigguy;
Pictures say a thousand words, great reply

[Robert]

I think your fishing also, so I will answer you with one sentence and if you are truly interested then pm me.
Rom 7:6  But now we have been released from the Law, [through the blood of Jesus] having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
 

[larswlvs]

Good answer Robert  ...I posted this because all three major religions, Jewish,Christian and Muslim ( in order of there appearance ) Take their beliefs from the same old testament and it's kinda take off from the earlier post about -why I hate Muslims-it's kinda hard to believe they all go back to the same roots.
OK i did say I was playing devils advocate so maybe I was fishing a bit  just to see what kind of responses I would get

[Moonshot_1]

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

No! You should invite them over for the cursed BBQ! What kind of neighbor are you?




I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

Need a photo to determine that. If good secretary material, she could go for much.



I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.


If it's your fault, that is the clue. Doesn't matter what it is about. When everything is your fault, if you can do nothing right, give it a week.


1.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?


Your friend is an idiot. Of Course you can own both.



I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

Use your Canadian slave. Duh.



I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Don't know if you can play football. You will have to try out like everyone else.

Not sure what the dead pig has to do with it unless it is the guest of honor at the Tailgate party.



I know some of you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


Hope this clears things up

Playing devils advocate  

[Robert]

Good answer Robert  ...I posted this because all three major religions, Jewish,Christian and Muslim ( in order of there appearance ) Take their beliefs from the same old testament and it's kinda take off from the earlier post about -why I hate Muslims-it's kinda hard to believe they all go back to the same roots.
OK i did say I was playing devils advocate so maybe I was fishing a bit   just to see what kind of responses I would get

One problem Muslims dont take their beliefs from the Old Testament only Christians and Jews but the Koran does make reference to the Bible in many places. The Muslim god is NOT the God of the Bible or the Torah. I found this passage interesting when I found it. Many would have us believe its the same God, its all about deception and confusion.
  Pro_8:36   All those who hate me love death."

[Jess from VA]

I believe it was posted in humor... and I find it funny.  

I don't know about being sold into slavery, but I do recall the folks asking the Lord if I was really their child (several times).

The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Brother, I never had any problem in this regard.... it only took three minutes of conversation for me to be certain.  "I'll be up playing on my computer, let me know if you need anything.... dear (running upstairs).

[bscrive]

Larswlvs,

I think the reason you can't own Canadians is because the war of 1812.  You guys can't afford to build a new White House.  Although, technically we were not a nation yet,  they were from Upper Canada.

[larswlvs]

Larswlvs,

I think the reason you can't own Canadians is because the war of 1812.  You guys can't afford to build a new White House.  Although, technically we were not a nation yet,  they were from Upper Canada.

Darn  you mean I have to return them...I hope I can get a refund.

[larswlvs]

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

Need a photo to determine that. If good secretary material, she could go for much.

I'm not sure how much I can get out of her but she should bring a pretty penny ..she's in the US Secrect Service

[BigAl]

Love your Neighbor as you love yourself.

Would you do it to your self.

Ok then don't do it to your neighbor .

DUH

 

[texaninsouthfl]

Love your Neighbor as you love yourself.

Would you do it to your self.

Ok then don't do it to your neighbor .

DUH

 

How about things you would do to yourself but your sure as hell would NOT do to your neighbor? 

[BigAl]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Most know it by heart and live by it.

Maybe you have heard of it.

[texaninsouthfl]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Most know it by heart and live by it.

Maybe you have heard of it.

Good grief Al, were you born entirely missing the sense of humor gene?

[Jabba]

I think it's funny as hell, and I may have found a new Comedian to follow...

Jabba

[Robert]

There was a reason for posting this you wanted to see the responses, so what are you looking for? I do better with directness rather than going around the mountain.
Pro_29:9  When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.
I found this funny also in light of the discussions that have been happening.

[Titan]

I think it's funny as hell, and I may have found a new Comedian to follow...

Jabba

So do I, Jabba. But I wanted to see some folks really try to deal with the points.

[98valk]

There was a reason for posting this you wanted to see the responses, so what are you looking for? I do better with directness rather than going around the mountain.
Pro_29:9  When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, The foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.
I found this funny also in light of the discussions that have been happening.

the questions are from athestis and free thinkers websites.  They like to take things out of context, without knowing historical basis for some things in the old testament and the type of civilizations at that time.

[bscrive]

Priests, ministers, and the rest of the clergy have been taking the bible out of context since it was written.  Yes, you may say I am an atheist but I don't believe in that either.

[The Anvil]

Rom 7:6  But now we have been released from the Law, [through the blood of Jesus] having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

But then, why have such a whackadoo set of laws in the first place? That's the part I don't get.

But the original post is funny.

[Robert]

Thank you CA I gave him more credit than this he is intelligent and a thinker 

BS you are right and that is one of the reasons today that the church is not in its proper place  

Anvil It all has to do with sin and rebellion that separates us from God. He wants to be able to speak to us and wants us to walk in victory. If we indulge in things that are from the enemy then we have to forgiven, which in the Old Testament was accomplished in a different way than it was today because of a different agreement and the price that needs to paid. If you cheat on your wife you have to ask to be forgiven if you want to get back to her.

[alph]

I think your fishing also, so I will answer you with one sentence and if you are truly interested then pm me.
Rom 7:6  But now we have been released from the Law, [through the blood of Jesus] having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
 

with that thought, since jesus didn't mention anything about homosexuals, then it must be okay to "love thy neighbor as yourself", and if your neighbor is hot, do her!!  right??

[3fan4life]

But then, why have such a whackadoo set of laws in the first place? That's the part I don't get.

Don't get too caught up in the Old Testament.

Even though it is part of the Christian Bible, the "Rules" of the Old Testament aren't the "Rules" that Christians are to follow.

The Old Testament does contain some very valid rules for living, "Thou shall not murder" (etc), but for the Christian it is more of a "History" lesson than anything.

The Law of Moses spelled out in Leviticus does seem very harsh and "Whackadoo", especially to those of us living in this century thousands of years later.

The "Law" was for the Jews, its primary purpose was to teach them that they couldn't "Fulfill" the law, in other words, "Man cannot be perfect".

Since the law could not be fulfilled there were ways set forth to obtain forgiveness, through sacrifices and offerings.

All of this seems pretty backwards and "anal" to us now.

But, I'm sure that in 1445 BC it made more sense.


Another thing to consider is that at the time the law was laid out in Leviticus, the Jews had just escaped from Egypt after 400 years of captivity.

The Egyptian culture had obviously ingrained itself into their culture as well. In fact it's pretty amazing that after 400 years of captivity that the Jews still had "any" of their own culture left.

The Egyptians were polytheists among other things, so God after removing the Jews from Egypt had to remove Egypt from the Jews.

Many non believers like to point to the harshness of the law and say that it proves God is cruel.

What they fail to understand is that God was making a "point".

His point is that the ultimate punishment for sin is death.

Man living in sin cannot obtain eternal life, and the fact that the law is unfulfillable serves to highlight this.

Since man cannot fulfill the law he must look to God and seek forgiveness.


Another thing that is overlooked, is that all of the "mandatory" punishments spelled out weren't absolutely mandatory.

For example, If a man caught his wife committing adultery he could choose to forgive her instead of stoning her.


Jesus gives us an example for this:

 1) But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2) Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3) Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4) they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5) Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6) This they said, testing Him, that they  might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7) So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 ) And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9) Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10) When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11) She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

John 8: 1-11 (NKJV)
    

Christians aren't subject to the law of Moses because Jesus fulfilled the law:


17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill".
 Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)

By living a completely sinless life and then giving up his life on the cross for us. It is the innocent blood that he shed for us that "covers" our sin when we seek forgiveness.          

[3fan4life]

I think your fishing also, so I will answer you with one sentence and if you are truly interested then pm me.
Rom 7:6  But now we have been released from the Law, [through the blood of Jesus] having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
 

with that thought, since jesus didn't mention anything about homosexuals, then it must be okay to "love thy neighbor as yourself", and if your neighbor is hot, do her!!  right??

Actually Alph,

Jesus set the "bar" for adultery even higher than the Law of Moses did:

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:27-28 (NKJV)

[98valk]

But then, why have such a whackadoo set of laws in the first place? That's the part I don't get.

Don't get too caught up in the Old Testament.

Even though it is part of the Christian Bible, the "Rules" of the Old Testament aren't the "Rules" that Christians are to follow.

The Old Testament does contain some very valid rules for living, "Thou shall not murder" (etc), but for the Christian it is more of a "History" lesson than anything.

The Law of Moses spelled out in Leviticus does seem very harsh and "Whackadoo", especially to those of us living in this century thousands of years later.

The "Law" was for the Jews, its primary purpose was to teach them that they couldn't "Fulfill" the law, in other words, "Man cannot be perfect".

Since the law could not be fulfilled there were ways set forth to obtain forgiveness, through sacrifices and offerings.

All of this seems pretty backwards and "anal" to us now.

But, I'm sure that in 1445 BC it made more sense.


Another thing to consider is that at the time the law was laid out in Leviticus, the Jews had just escaped from Egypt after 400 years of captivity.

The Egyptian culture had obviously ingrained itself into their culture as well. In fact it's pretty amazing that after 400 years of captivity that the Jews still had "any" of their own culture left.

The Egyptians were polytheists among other things, so God after removing the Jews from Egypt had to remove Egypt from the Jews.

Many non believers like to point to the harshness of the law and say that it proves God is cruel.

What they fail to understand is that God was making a "point".

His point is that the ultimate punishment for sin is death.

Man living in sin cannot obtain eternal life, and the fact that the law is unfulfillable serves to highlight this.

Since man cannot fulfill the law he must look to God and seek forgiveness.


Another thing that is overlooked, is that all of the "mandatory" punishments spelled out weren't absolutely mandatory.

For example, If a man caught his wife committing adultery he could choose to forgive her instead of stoning her.


Jesus gives us an example for this:

 1) But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2) Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3) Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4) they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5) Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6) This they said, testing Him, that they  might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7) So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 ) And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9) Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10) When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11) She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

John 8: 1-11 (NKJV)
    

Christians aren't subject to the law of Moses because Jesus fulfilled the law:


17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill".
 Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)

By living a completely sinless life and then giving up his life on the cross for us. It is the innocent blood that he shed for us that "covers" our sin when we seek forgiveness.          

+1 excellent sermon

[Robert]

Alph no offense but you have said you know the Bible and have rejected it. Why argue the point and why if people may be interested or asking a sincere question would you want them not to know? Let them make their own decision. I will give you this though when the Lord stopped Saul of Tarsus in his tracks from killing Christians He said why are you persecuting Me? Your fight is not against us but you may find yourself fighting the Lord Himself.

Act 9:4  and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"

[x]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

[BigAl]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Most know it by heart and live by it.

Maybe you have heard of it.

Good grief Al, were you born entirely missing the sense of humor gene?

Don't like to see the Good Book made fun of.

Did not see any humor in your remarks.

Just blspemy and relative small mindedness, and lack of rigtly dividing the word of God.

Taking it out of context.

[BigAl]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

I hope you are right for your sake Eagle Man. Because I for one am a Believer.

He wrote his laws down on the tablets of my heart.

I need no proof other than what his son did for man kind.

That is gonna be a bad hair day for you dude. When you meet the man from Gallilee.


Sorry for yah is all. You are missing the one good thing on this earth.

[Pat S.]

Larswlvs, You asked the questions, I would like to know your answers.



Playing Gods advocate.

[larswlvs]

On the serious side Patrick gave the proper answer. 
and moonshot_1 gave the most humorist,,I guess you cold take that post as humor or on a serious note...remember I said I was playing the devil advocate     

[3fan4life]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

I've said it to you before, those are some mighty strong words for someone that is as close to death as you.

Have you ever considered that maybe the reason that you are so miserable and so full of hatred is because you have shut God out of your life ?


Call it a "MYTH" if you like but the day will come that even you will bow down and confess that God does exist:

22  “Look to Me, and be saved,
     All you ends of the earth!
     For I am God, and there is no other.
23   I have sworn by Myself;
     The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
     And shall not return,
     That to Me every knee shall bow,
     Every tongue shall take an oath.
24     He shall say,
     ‘Surely in the LORD I have  righteousness and strength.
     To Him men shall come,
     And all shall be ashamed
     Who are incensed against Him.

Isaiah 45: 22-24 (NKJV)

10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For  we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:
     “As I live, says the LORD,
     Every knee shall bow to Me,
     And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

Romans 14: 10-12 (NKJV)

9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2: 9-11 (NKJV)

BTW you can spout your Anti God and Anti Allah rhetoric here, knowing that nothing more than words will come from it.

Let's see you try to tell all of those peaceful Muslims that you are so friendly with, that Allah doesn't exist. 

I'm betting that won't bode so well for you.   

[texaninsouthfl]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Most know it by heart and live by it.

Maybe you have heard of it.

Good grief Al, were you born entirely missing the sense of humor gene?

Don't like to see the Good Book made fun of.

Did not see any humor in your remarks.

Just blspemy and relative small mindedness, and lack of rigtly dividing the word of God.

Taking it out of context.

Well I guess that answers my question.... I guess I'll go skulk about some other thread now... you bunch are too preachy. It must be wonderful to be so certain of one's own righteousness and knowledge that you feel qualified to lecture others.