Biblical things to ponder??

[alph]

Well I guess that answers my question.... I guess I'll go skulk about some other thread now... you bunch are too preachy. It must be wonderful to be so certain of one's own righteousness and knowledge that you feel qualified to lecture others.

there's a post about wrestling being fake!!  

[98valk]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

Are u all knowing?

[fon1961]

at least we live in a country where accepting or rejecting a particular religion is a choice.  personally i believe if people seek out the truth they'll find it.  i don't think that people who have a belief should be expected to be silent about it.  if they have sincere beliefs it surely should affect their actions, decisions, and opinions. 

[Robert]

Just sitting here Pondering
 I was thinking about SE and his post and the other people of the world that dont understand and then my thoughts crossed to the story about Jericho. Can you imaging what the people of the city thought as to them these nuts were walking around the city blowing trumpets and they knew that they couldn't conquer them. They were probably laughing and making fun of them going about their daily lives. Oh they saw some signs the king thought there would be a attack and sent spies, but really they didn't think they had anything to worry about. Life was normal just the everyday stuff that goes on. But there were those in the city that did seem to have a knowing about what was about to take place. The greatest of offender to Gods law a Harlot a prostitute,  Rehab knew what was about to happen. She was able to hide spies that came from the children of Israel to see what things were like. They too didn't have a good feeling about what was happening. She did this to strike a deal with the Lord that she and her household would be saved. The worst offender had enough faith to throw in with the Israelites. The doubters in the camp of Israel said lets check this out first maybe we are not hearing or maybe this or that, the fears were running high. Now this didn't happen in just one day that the Isrealities were walking around the city, but for seven days, the more they walked the more the people of the city said stupid people. I can hear the scoffers now ,you cant beat us, what are you going to do blow the walls down, now beat it.  But one day the seventh day something was different, something they just couldn't put their finger on nothing had really changed but new orders came from the Lord and they marched around the city seven times with trumpets and didn't say a word. The people in the city thought now they are having a party probably. But in a moment they stopped and gave a shout and all the walls started to crumble then they started to fall then silence and dust still rising while the children of Israel were looking at what just happened. I'm sure some were stunned some were overjoyed then I can hear the congratulations and hand shaking going on as the damage was surveyed. As it was in that day so it is today we ruled by our emotions, fears doubts and not seeing the hand of God in situations. The shadow over our eyes dont allow us to see clearly and the people of the world think this has been happening since the beging of time why should things be different now. But God was keeping His word to His children and I'm sure they had no idea what was about to happen. They only knew they couldn't achieve a victory over this city in any way they could think of. So it always is with the Lord. To the natural mind things look foolish and not achievable but when we pray and they happen we say thank you Lord. For we know who did it and we saw the impossible done in our lives and others. I think that is why certain movies have such a appeal they have fantasy and people need to think things are possible when they have no hope. But when we serve the Lord we need to listen and have faith and do what He tells us to do and we will see the miracles happen just as they did in the days of Jericho. The Lord is faithful and there will always be the godless and people who cant see who claim great knowledge but forget about the Spirit. Who claim all who follow God are deluded and crazy and look they cant get it straight and still do wrong things so there is no God. Who go on their lives sometimes tragically unfulfilled. To those I say I am living a life that God has shown me how to live who helps me at every turn and forgives me when Im wrong. Its just amazing I am living what they say is impossible to live just as in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah so it is today.

Luk 16:30  "But he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!'
Luk 16:31  "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

[SANDMAN5]

Sounds more like a fishin' expedition

Absolutely!! It's obvious that the author/poster has NO understanding
of the Bible. Not worth further comment.

[The Anvil]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Did someone say "Golden Rule"?

3-Way (The Golden Rule) (feat. Justin Timberlake & Lady Gaga)	powered by Aeva

[The Anvil]

Sounds more like a fishin' expedition

Absolutely!! It's obvious that the author/poster has NO understanding
of the Bible. Not worth further comment.

Actually, I think it's often somewhere in the middle. When you get someone pointing out inconsistencies you'll usually find someone making up some bullshit about why it's totally consistent. Usually neither are completely right.

The best minister I knew openly admitted that the bible could be confusing, inconsistent and contradictory. His answer to why it didn't bother him was that these were things meant to keep us guessing and on our toes and that someday it will all be explained. To him those contradictions are there purposely to force us to make some hard choices without hand-holding, to testy our mettle. People who try to rationalize these contradictions into consistency are trying too hard. Likewise people who focus on those inconsistencies and miss the rest of the bible.

[SANDMAN5]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

Interesting that you didn't say you didn't believe any of them...but you proclaim
them to be "myths". We await your evidence to prove they are myths. More than likely
we'll just sit back and laugh at you AGAIN as you run away with your tail between your legs.

[The Anvil]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

I've said it to you before, those are some mighty strong words for someone that is as close to death as you.

Have you ever considered that maybe the reason that you are so miserable and so full of hatred is because you have shut God out of your life ?


Call it a "MYTH" if you like but the day will come that even you will bow down and confess that God does exist:

22  “Look to Me, and be saved,
     All you ends of the earth!
     For I am God, and there is no other.
23   I have sworn by Myself;
     The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
     And shall not return,
     That to Me every knee shall bow,
     Every tongue shall take an oath.
24     He shall say,
     ‘Surely in the LORD I have  righteousness and strength.
     To Him men shall come,
     And all shall be ashamed
     Who are incensed against Him.

Isaiah 45: 22-24 (NKJV)

10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For  we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written:
     “As I live, says the LORD,
     Every knee shall bow to Me,
     And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

Romans 14: 10-12 (NKJV)

9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2: 9-11 (NKJV)

BTW you can spout your Anti God and Anti Allah rhetoric here, knowing that nothing more than words will come from it.

Let's see you try to tell all of those peaceful Muslims that you are so friendly with, that Allah doesn't exist. 

I'm betting that won't bode so well for you.   

This is exactly the kind of joke I am talking about.  Spouts off circular references to the god he believes in.  But, there is no proof of this god, any more than any other god, therefore your rants ring hollow.  There is no god.  Reality:  You believe in a fairy tale.

Sorry dood, but you're just as arrogant and misguided in your assertion as fact that god does not exist. Don't give me the pseudo-Sartre bullshit about not proving a negative either. None of us knows what lies beyond that wall so you can't speak with any more authority than anyone else.

[Robert]

 The easiest thing that should make all think about the Bible and God is what the Bible says about this time or the end time. The Bible is the only book that talked about the New World Order. It predicted it and now it we see the makings of this system. In the early 1900s when you read this you would say it is impossible just another Bible thing that cant be understood. More than likely a metaphor for something else. Well in the last few years it has not been a metaphor its been real life and we all can see the workings of the plan. The book that E says dumbs us down actually was ahead of its time and has all the knowledge. NO other book says what will be in these times.
 I also say that some think the Bible tells us to dumb down or not to seek knowledge. I will give you a few passages that contradict that. It is not the Bible that tells us not to seek that is man and religion.
Pro_15:2  The tongue of the wise makes knowledge acceptable, But the mouth of fools spouts folly.
Pro_15:7  The lips of the wise spread knowledge, But the hearts of fools are not so.
Pro_15:14  The mind of the intelligent seeks knowledge, But the mouth of fools feeds on folly.
Pro_17:27  He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
Pro_18:15  The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.
Pro_19:2  Also it is not good for a person to be without knowledge, And he who hurries his footsteps errs.
If God is God and the Bible even tells what is going to happen in the future then why would God have to fear from anything that was discovered? Like anything else though its taken out of context. Its not money that is the root of all evil it is the love of money. Any idol that comes before your relationship with God is the problem. God withholds no good thing from us and even will explain things to us.

[Robert]

Arab Spring is the Muslim Brotherhood taking over things this is the same brotherhood that is talking about cutting its peace with Israel and joining Iran in alliance. It is the same brotherhood that is killing people in Syria. There is no Arab spring as the government is finding out.
  Also if you dont think Christians are under attack then why did Mayor Bloomberg in NY ban all churches from renting public buildings for services? Against what the board said and what has already been won in the rest of the country. Yet he spoke up for a Mosque in downtown NY.

[The Anvil]

Arab Spring is the Muslim Brotherhood taking over things this is the same brotherhood that is talking about cutting its peace with Israel and joining Iran in alliance.

So what are you saying? That the despots running these countries actually serve our interests by suppressing Islam from within and preventing them from becoming theocracies?

[Robert]

 They know that it serves their best interest to moderate the message in the Koran and form alliances of the enemies of Islam to keep the peace till the right time comes. That time more than likely is very soon. Examine the blessings on our country and ask did it just happen or was there divine guidance in this, then ask who is that guidance from. Then ask what Muslim country provides like the US does.
  The 12th Imam theory plays heavily into the world’s current concerns with Iran. The Shiite Muslim President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, is deeply committed to the Islamic Messiah, al Mahdi. There have been many through the years claiming to be the Hidden Imam but Ahmadinejad believes he is yet to come. He claims that he is to personally prepare the world for the coming Mahdi. In order to save the world, it must be in a state of chaos and subjugation. Ahmadinejad claims he was “directed by Allah to pave the way for the glorious appearance of the Mahdi”. This apocalyptic directive includes some very scary proclamations.
  The 12th Imam: Why Is This Especially Important Now?
While Christians look for Jesus’ 2nd coming, the Jews await the Messiah and Muslims await the 12th Imam. However, of the three, Allah’s designated Mahdi is the only one who demands a violent path to conquer the world. Mr. Ahmadinejad, and his cabinet, say they have a ‘signed contract’ with al Mahdi in which they pledge themselves to his work. What does this work involve? In light of concerns over Iran’s nuclear capabilities, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reportedly stated Israel should be wiped off the map. He spoke to the United Nations in September ’05. During that speech he claims to have been in an aura of light and felt a change in the atmosphere during which time no one present could blink their eyes

[The Anvil]

They know that it serves their best interest to moderate the message in the Koran and form alliances of the enemies of Islam to keep the peace till the right time comes. That time more than likely is very soon.

Okay, so do you at least acknowledge that removing Saddam from Iraq was a bad idea? Because he brutally suppressed radical Islam within his own borders. There are a LOT of parallels between current Syria and pre-invasion Iraq.

[BigAl]

Jesus said " Let the Wicked be Wicked, and Let the Righteous be Righteous".

Strong Eagle and Alph you are doing just fine.

Robert you are doing just fine.

Each in your own way fulfilling sciptures.

Anvil is my hero, in the fact he calls a spade a spade and lets it be at that.

Of course that's what I just did.

[Robert]

From what I see removing Saddam was a bad idea because there is no real liberation, no building the country, they have just a glimpse of what things could be like. I actually fault the US for not planning enough. If you are going to take over a country or at least kick its leader out then wouldn't you think you should know the cost and the problems. Have a plan to restructure the country and start to build in a way that benefits the people and gains their support and rule till they can rule themselves? But just as we have done so many times we go in and take over then leave and leave a vacuum. To me this is a embarrassment of the US. Syria has another set of problems that needs to be addressed separately including Russia and China. As with any people they are a force and a product of how they were raised. The Israelites marched around the desert for 40 years to remove the ways that could not conform to the way God said it should be. Well its the same today the ideals instilled in a people will determine how they live and what they aspire to. This thinking comes from the heart and needs time to change. I know Saddam was brutal and wrong but you cant change what people aspire to just by removing the leader. Not to mention I really feel if the US has just told Saddam dont cross that line from the beginning and not played games he would still be in power today. Again I question the motives for the action because things could have been done differently to achieve different results.

[The Anvil]

From what I see removing Saddam was a bad idea because there is no real liberation, no building the country, they have just a glimpse of what things could be like. I actually fault the US for not planning enough. If you are going to take over a country or at least kick its leader out then wouldn't you think you should know the cost and the problems. Have a plan to restructure the country and start to build in a way that benefits the people and gains their support and rule till they can rule themselves? But just as we have done so many times we go in and take over then leave and leave a vacuum. To me this is a embarrassment of the US. Syria has another set of problems that needs to be addressed separately including Russia and China. As with any people they are a force and a product of how they were raised. The Israelites marched around the desert for 40 years to remove the ways that could not conform to the way God said it should be. Well its the same today the ideals instilled in a people will determine how they live and what they aspire to. This thinking comes from the heart and needs time to change. I know Saddam was brutal and wrong but you cant change what people aspire to just by removing the leader. Not to mention I really feel if the US has just told Saddam dont cross that line from the beginning and not played games he would still be in power today. Again I question the motives for the action because things could have been done differently to achieve different results.

Well said.

[3fan4life]

This is exactly the kind of joke I am talking about.  Spouts off circular references to the god he believes in.  But, there is no proof of this god, any more than any other god, therefore your rants ring hollow.  There is no god.  Reality:  You believe in a fairy tale.

If there were a VRCC award for being the most ARROGANT you would win it hands down.

But then you already know that.


I can understand why people have different beliefs about "who" or "what" God is.  

What I cannot understand and NEVER will understand is how ANYONE that posses even a single thread of intelligence can deny the existence of a supreme being.


I have stood in the Saudi Arabian desert on a cloudless, moonless night and marveled at the BILLIONS of stars in the sky.

HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me.  

To say that this wasn't "created" is just arrogant and idiotic.


Or to marvel at the complexity of the human body and the human brain and yet say that it just happened.

That too is arrogance and idiocy.


The beauty and complexity of nature proves the existence of a God.


Why, am I so sure about "MY" God ?

There are many events in my life that are only explainable by "Divine" Intervention.

And since I only believe in, rely upon and call upon one God.

That is the God that I believe in.


One example of divine intervention in my life:

In 2008 I finally relented and consented to having my Aortic valve replaced.  The Dr's had been telling me that this was necessary since 2002.

After replacing the valve the surgeon told me that he had NO idea why I was alive.  He said that the valve that he removed should not have been functioning at all.  He went on to say that he had NEVER seen a valve that was as disintegrated as mine. And this surgeon is a nationally renowned heart surgeon that is credited with pioneering many of the techniques in use today.

Prior to the surgery Not only was I living but I was working as a Paramedic/Firefighter.  

And yet this experienced and renowned surgeon could not explain how my heart was able to function at all.


So you can deny the existence of God all you want.


But every time that I look up at the stars I will KNOW that he exists.

And everyday I will still THANK my God for all that he does.            



Oh and BTW:

While I don't believe that the Muslim god, Allah is God.

I understand that they do.

And I'm still waiting for you to stand up before your Muslim "friends" that you have mentioned here many times and tell them that Allah is a "myth".

Afterwards, I might even send flowers to your funeral.

[x]

Sorry dood, but you're just as arrogant and misguided in your assertion as fact that god does not exist. Don't give me the pseudo-Sartre bullshit about not proving a negative either. None of us knows what lies beyond that wall so you can't speak with any more authority than anyone else.

True that none of us actually knows what lies beyond.  But, we do know something about the logical inconsistencies in the Christian religion... like these (below).  A big "sky daddy" who lets evil exist even though he/she/it has the power to exterminate it?  The Greeks were thinking about this inconsistency thousands of years ago.  And by your line of reasoning, perhaps Zeus, Aphrodite, and a host of other gods also exist.
 

[Robert]

3fan4life Awesome testimony  If you can what was happening in Saudi Arabia is that when Saddam set the wells on fire?
 

[x]

HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me.  

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

The beauty and complexity of nature proves the existence of a God.

How?

[BF]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Golden Rule.

Did someone say "Golden Rule"?

3-Way (The Golden Rule) (feat. Justin Timberlake & Lady Gaga)

Best post in this thead yet.  Those videos crack me up.....Timberlake rules.    

[3fan4life]

3fan4life Awesome testimony  If you can what was happening in Saudi Arabia is that when Saddam set the wells on fire?

Well I spent a lot of time choking on the smoke (those aren't clouds in the sky).

The sky stayed dark even in the middle of the day:







The smell was putrid at first but you soon became used to that and You constantly blew soot out of your nose.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of that crap isn't still down inside my lungs.

[3fan4life]

It's ALL A MYTH.  Just like the Roman Gods.  Just like the Greek Gods.  Just like the Hindu Gods.  A myth.  There is no more reason for the God of the Christians, or the God of the Jews, or the God of the Muslims to exist than any of the other gods.  Myths.

Hmmm..............


I think that it is time for you to eat some crow.........

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

[larswlvs]

When i started this post of a few old testament scriptures (laws) from Leviticus and added my own satirical remarks to them I never figured it would of been so far reaching. We covered the Bible, Torah, Koran,Roman, Greek and Hindu gods, atheism, homosexuals and free thinkers.Not to mention  Saddam from removal Iraq.Good post by everyone but not to say I believe in the correctness of some posts but everyone is free to have their own idea.
If this was just a fishing expo.I must say I've had a lot of bites  

[Willow]

Total failure, Larry.  No one in all this discussion has yet mentioned Adolph Hitler.      

[larswlvs]

Total failure, Larry.  No one in all this discussion has yet mentioned Adolph Hitler.      

Your right ....I had to go back and look. I thought that was brought up when I said religion started most wars (I should of said religion and politics).That was on another post.

[junior]

I think your fishing also, so I will answer you with one sentence and if you are truly interested then pm me.
Rom 7:6  But now we have been released from the Law, [through the blood of Jesus] having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
 

with that thought, since jesus didn't mention anything about homosexuals, then it must be okay to "love thy neighbor as yourself", and if your neighbor is hot, do her!!  right??

i thought it was love thy neighbor often?

[junior]

Total failure, Larry.  No one in all this discussion has yet mentioned Adolph Hitler.      

Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[junior]

birth control........................oops wrong thread 

[SANDMAN5]

Quote from: 3fan4life on Yesterday at 09:02:14 AM
HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me. 

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

You can DISBELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it myth.

[x]

Quote from: 3fan4life on Yesterday at 09:02:14 AM
HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me. 

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

You can DISBELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it myth.

You cannot prove the existence of what you believe in.  Therefore, it is a myth.  Note that the key word is 'believe'.  Not 'demonstrate'.  Not 'prove'.  Why don't you have god make a couple of posts to your thread?  He'd clear things up pretty quick, yes?

[The Anvil]

Quote from: 3fan4life on Yesterday at 09:02:14 AM
HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me. 

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

You can DISBELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it myth.

You cannot prove the existence of what you believe in.  Therefore, it is a myth.  Note that the key word is 'believe'.  Not 'demonstrate'.  Not 'prove'.  Why don't you have god make a couple of posts to your thread?  He'd clear things up pretty quick, yes?

Your faith is that it's all just a happy accident. Others have faith that it's more than that. Why is that so threatening to you? You can post a million pics of quotes made by men who know nothing more than anyone else on the subject but none of that is going to change anyone's mind. If you really are as significant as you believe yourself to be then you'll find out soon enough. Just relax man. Just relax.

[x]

Your faith is that it's all just a happy accident. Others have faith that it's more than that. Why is that so threatening to you? You can post a million pics of quotes made by men who know nothing more than anyone else on the subject but none of that is going to change anyone's mind. If you really are as significant as you believe yourself to be then you'll find out soon enough. Just relax man. Just relax.

You've made the point for me.  You need faith to believe it is not a 'happy accident'.  You need to believe.  You need to have faith.  I, on the other hand, require no faith nor belief that there is no god.  There is no evidence, no more than there is for Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.  There is no evidence for a god.  No faith required.  No evidence.

[The Anvil]

Your faith is that it's all just a happy accident. Others have faith that it's more than that. Why is that so threatening to you? You can post a million pics of quotes made by men who know nothing more than anyone else on the subject but none of that is going to change anyone's mind. If you really are as significant as you believe yourself to be then you'll find out soon enough. Just relax man. Just relax.

You've made the point for me.  You need faith to believe it is not a 'happy accident'.  You need to believe.  You need to have faith.  I, on the other hand, require no faith nor belief that there is no god.  There is no evidence, no more than there is for Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.  There is no evidence for a god.  No faith required.  No evidence.

You clearly haven't been paying any attention so I'll say it one more time; I am a Christian in that I live my life using Christ as an example. Do I believe that Jesus is the son of god? Well, I don't know about that. I can't say with certainty that he was not. But my actual "faith" in what the answer is to the big question is still firmly in play. The difference between you and I though is in my personal security with that. I don't feel the need to belittle others who feel they have found the answer to the question (including yourself) in order to make myself feel more worthy. I know myself and my worth and I'm happy with both.

What Bill Maher doesn't understand about religion could fit in a library. He should stick to popping fistfulls of Viagra and banging Hugh Heffner's sloppy seconds. That good cannot exist without evil has nothing to do with religion or faith and everything to do with nature. Up cannot exist without down, the north pole cannot exist without the south pole, smart cannot exist without dumb and so-on and so-forth. That's why god cannot simply "defeat" the devil.

[SANDMAN5]

You cannot prove the existence of what you believe in.

Exactly my point. I can't PROVE God exists to anyone (including you) any more
than anyone (including you) can prove that He doesn't. But we all know that it's
not about proof, it's about belief.
 Speaking of "belief", you have been challenged several times over the years to post
here what YOU believe and you still haven't been man enough to do so. All you can
do is post what you don't believe or try to ridicule someone else's beliefs. So, the floor
is yours, SE. Tell us what YOU believe so that we may all see the light. Wouldn't it be
a shame to have THE secret and not tell the ones that love you most? Rules are...you
CAN'T mention anyone else's belief/faith/religion/deity in a negative or demeaning manner.
Only positive words about what you believe about the afterlife, eternity, creation, etc. As
has happened in the past, you probably won't take this opportunity to spread the word about
how we can all live happily ever after by following your example, which can only mean.....
you don't know what you believe OR you don't really believe it yourself.

P.S. The Bible proves God's existence, mainly in the New Testament by proving Jesus is
the Son of God. Don't worry, I know you don't believe the Bible....but it's about belief,
not proof. Right? If the Bible, which is full of firsthand accounts of eyewitnesses, doesn't
count as proof..then prove that Nero existed...or Henry 8, or Napoleon, or Socrates, etc.
This thread has become boring and overly long, as MOST threads involving you do, so Im
gonna give the Admin a rest and not post on it again unless you come up with a real
DOOZY of a response. I'll be praying for you, SE.
 

[98valk]

HOW anyone could do this and deny the existence of God is beyond me.  

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

The beauty and complexity of nature proves the existence of a God.

How?

Romans1:
18For God's [holy] wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth and make it inoperative.  

 19For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them.

    20For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(B)
    21Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, (when u were a child and asking questions about a God, every child does this at one point) they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.

    22Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

    23And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles.
    24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin],

    25Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it).(C)

    26For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,

    27And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [d]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.

    28And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,

    29Until they were filled (permeated and saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, iniquity, grasping and covetous greed, and malice. [They were] full of envy and jealousy, murder, strife, deceit and treachery, ill will and cruel ways. [They were] secret backbiters and gossipers,

    30Slanderers, hateful to and hating God, full of insolence, arrogance, [and] boasting; inventors of new forms of evil, disobedient and undutiful to parents.

    31[They were] without understanding, conscienceless and faithless, heartless and loveless [and] merciless.

    32Though they are fully aware of God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.

[3fan4life]

SE,

Do you REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND that this post:

You can BELIEVE whatever you want but that doesn't make it fact.

CANCELS and INVALIDATES EVERY argument that you have posted in this thread ?

There is absolutely NO WAY that you can recover from the damage inflicted upon yourself by your own words here.

It doesn't matter how you attempt to spin it, your contention that there isn't a God is YOUR BELIEF.

Face it dude, you not only shot yourself in the foot here, you blew your foot completely off. 






And about your follow up PIC:




I believe in God, you don't.

I can use the SAME PIC to uphold my point of view as well.


So RANT and RAVE all you wish.

God is there and.......................

He still LOVES you.

YES, EVEN YOU.

And there is NOTHING that you can say or do that will EVER change that.