I AM SOOOO PISSED AT GEORGE BUSH

[Clark]

when he left office gas was $1.89 a gallon... NOW its twice that and the highest its EVER been in he month of march.. I dont know how he caused it but HE HAD TOO..RIGHT?????

[BigAl]

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[Gear Jammer]

when he left office gas was $1.89 a gallon... NOW its twice that and the highest its EVER been in he month of march.. I dont know how he caused it but HE HAD TOO..RIGHT?????

I can think of at least 4 who'll tell us how he did it.      I won't see their posts though,,,

[BF]

Well, since you brought it up......

[musclehead]

well, look at the graph on the far right hand side, see the average price per gallon slide down a mountain side?



up like a rocket down like a feather my eye!  but Obama says it just can't be fixed so go back to American Idol and leave the heavy lifting to him 


I say it's because "W" opened Anwar for drilling, must've been right because so far I haven't had it explained to me at all from the left.  all I got was the 'your too ignorant' post

[..]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

[x]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

[salty1]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight. A transition plan needs to be put in place, but in the meantime let's develop our own resources and dump foreign imports. "Barry" and crew will never get us there!

[MP]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

Got it.  We need to LOWER our standard of living to the rest of the world!  I prefer a higher standard of living, for everyone.  But, you want to drag everyone down to the lowest point.  We have LOTS of oil, and energy sources, we just need to get them. Not buying dragging everyone back into the dark ages.

MP

[musclehead]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

that's bull! demand IS down, look it up. we have a conservative estimate of 60 years of oil IN this country, it's just crazy in the libs view to drill here. they've been feed the line that we 'only' have 2% of the worlds oil preserves so many times they buy it hook line and sinker without even checking facts.

Britman has a tahoe, an SUV, which is pure evil to the left.

[The Anvil]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

[Skinhead]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

I'd say the increase in CAFE is something significant that has been done to decrease our oil demand.  AS long as you stick with internal combustion engines, significant gains will be few and costly.  It is debatable whether the cost of the gains already made are worth what it has done to the cost of the vehicle.  Also as long as folks want to pull trailers, campers, boats, and using vehicles for work, there will always be a need for the infamous gas guzzlers.  If Paul can't drive a Tahoe, why does the secret service and most of our representatives need fleets of them to jaunt about DC?  They are hypocrites at best. 

If the evil oil industry's plot to deflect the blame to Obama causes him to lose the election, more power to them,  He wasn't qualified for the office in the first place.

[MAD6Gun]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

 Nobody wants small fuel efficient cars. The Chevy Volts lack in sales states that. And the $46,000 price tag does not help either.
 So what you are saying is truck owners like Britman and I are responsible for the fuel prices. BULL. Greed is the reason gas is high and that fact that Obama wont let the oil companies drill Here.
 A lot of people like the bigger vehicles like SUVs and pickups. Awhile back Obama and his cronies were telling the country that they wanted vehicles to get an average of 35 MPG. You are NOT going to get a pickup truck to get 35 MPG and still have it be able to haul any loads. Not even close.

[The Anvil]

I'd say the increase in CAFE is something significant that has been done to decrease our oil demand. 

But our demand isn't the problem now. It's third world demand. What we've managed to do has only staved off some of the tide. But we should have seen that coming better. Unfortunately too many people were getting filthy rich to care.

AS long as you stick with internal combustion engines, significant gains will be few and costly.  It is debatable whether the cost of the gains already made are worth what it has done to the cost of the vehicle.  Also as long as folks want to pull trailers, campers, boats, and using vehicles for work, there will always be a need for the infamous gas guzzlers. 

Nevermind aviation. If you want to get somewhere fast there simply is NO alternative to fossil fuels, at least not yet.

If Paul can't drive a Tahoe, why does the secret service and most of our representatives need fleets of them to jaunt about DC?  They are hypocrites at best. 

The hypocrites part is valid. But what are you gonna do, armor a Prius and stick a minigun in it?    Although here's an example of exactly the point you make; I have a friend who is a Secret Service agent (uniform division) in DC. He is one of only four agents in the division to be qualified on the departments motorcycle fleet. Last spring he had to attend a training session across town and he had to take a vehicle from the motor pool. He asked for a bike and was given...

...a fifteen passenger Ford van!  

If the evil oil industry's plot to deflect the blame to Obama causes him to lose the election, more power to them,  He wasn't qualified for the office in the first place.

So, more power to the people that helped Obama get elected in the first place as well? Or is it bad what they did?

I'm not a big Obama fan either but he's as qualified as anyone else right now. Was Sarah Palin qualified to be VP? Are you qualified? Technically no, but you probably think you could do a better job.

[FPG52]

Well... the last time our gas prices jumped and OPEC was crushing us it was "Bush's" fault... at least that was what the media and the libs were screaming... and so now Obama has no control?  His administration has orchestrated nationalization of GM and GE... oh ya we now are supposed to trade in our SUV's for electric cars and become "green".  Wow who will beneift... the nationalized companies!!nnWell look into the cost of repair of a battery system in one of those vehicles much less the environmental issues to dispose of them.  Oh yes and the administration has shut down US drilling in the gulf... 1000's of jobs for a "catastrophe" that was actually minor in its overall affect; yet no qualms about Latin American countries doing the same; oh ya and the administration does not want our Canadian friends running their pipeline through our country because of potential environmental issues but the alternative to have the Chinese fill their tankers just off our coast is not a potential issue... NO this administration (Obama) has a lot of avenues to take to help the oil/gas availability in our country but we need to be punished for having so much...spread the wealth so to speak;  let's see what happens when Iran flexes it's nuclear muscle and gas prices really soar... and businesses can't afford trucks on the road and cost of EVERY good goes up because of it... ... his agenda is killing our economy
Frank G

[Skinhead]

but he's as qualified as anyone else right now. Was Sarah Palin qualified to be VP? Are you qualified? Technically no, but you probably think you could do a better job.

Qualified based on what?  What are Obama's qualifications?  Why am I not qualified?  Because I don't have a billion dollars to spend on a campaign?  And I don't think, I know I could do a better job, and so could you.

[The Anvil]

but he's as qualified as anyone else right now. Was Sarah Palin qualified to be VP? Are you qualified? Technically no, but you probably think you could do a better job.

Qualified based on what?  What are Obama's qualifications?  Why am I not qualified?  Because I don't have a billion dollars to spend on a campaign?  And I don't think, I know I could do a better job, and so could you.

Actually what I should have said was technically YES you are qualified at least in terms of minimum qualifications. But "qualifications" for something like the office of President should be fairly high one would think. Some secondary education at least. Personally I wouldn't want the job and you probably wouldn't either. That is a qualification, isn't it?   

Okay, then why is Obama NOT qualified?

[fudgie]

Why dont we raise price on wheat and corn we sell over there? Seems fair dont it?

[The Anvil]

Why dont we raise price on wheat and corn we sell over there? Seems fair dont it?

Sounds good in theory but the price of foreign oil specifically is only part of the problem. We don't import as much as we think.

But that kind of thing hasn't stopped other countries from pulling those kinds of strings, has it? But we're nice guys so we don't do that stuff.

[Hog Killer DS0048]

I don't know about not importing as much oil as we think. 60% is a lot to me;

http://www.quoteoil.com/oil-imports.html

[The Anvil]

I don't know about not importing as much oil as we think. 60% is a lot to me;

http://www.quoteoil.com/oil-imports.html

That depends on who you talk to. Most people I talk to seem to think the number is closer to 90%.

[custom1]

Oil prices are high because of changes in the rules to allow more people speculate in the derivatives of the oil futures market. I believe you used to have to be on the floor of the stock exchange and now it can be done electronically.The big banks make a profit from fees on the trades so they don't really care if the price goes up or down, they make their money either way. Its a bubble just like the housing market was. It will crash too, and the last people out will lose. Those are the unsophisticated "Traders" who probably don't even know they are in the market.(Everyone with a 401k or 403b  or etc, that trust someone else as to where their money is.)  There is no money to be made anywhere else in the market so the plan administrators  jump on the latest bandwagon. The Fed holds the interest rate so low that no one can make any money saving money in the bank. So you are forced to invest(speculate) in the market. The left and right can keep arguing back and forth, but neither side will even mention the real cause, because they both allowed it. They say its demand in China or its an oil spill in the gulf or its tension in Egiptastan, anything but the truth. And like Bush or Obama or Carter or any President have any control over it, they don't. What could they do? It's the congress and senate. They sneak this stuff into bills that are totally unrelated and call it "compromise". The lobbyists get it done a little at a time over many  years and sit back and laugh while we argue with each other and they take all our wealth. Ron Paul knows the truth. David Gregory wouldn't even acknowledge he exists today on Meet the Press. That's another long post in itself tho. Sorry for the rant.
 
http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price2.htm

[musclehead]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

[The Anvil]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

[musclehead]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good  

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

yes I know it's the end of summer, that doesn't explain away the rapidity of the drop.  there are pull backs in other years at the end of summer, what else happened?

[The Anvil]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

yes I know it's the end of summer, that doesn't explain away the rapidity of the drop.

Sure it does; they were trying to affect the election. Sept. to Nov it dropped like a greased crowbar. Thing is; they might have had a greater effect had they started a month earlier but it took a little while for the prices to make their way to the pumps. But they're so frigging greedy that they couldn't help themselves. They won't make THAT mistake again. 

[Psychotic Bovine]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

This reminds me of the people who think reducing the world's population by 90%.  I notice they NEVER volunteer to be first.  I would imagine SE that your "carbon footprint" is greater than mine.
some facts about me:
1,000 square foot house.  $55 a month gas bill.  $40 electric bill ($75 in summer). How big is your house?
1 Honda Valkyrie, 35 mpg.
1 Honda Accord (I did a very selfish thing and bought the 6 speed V6 which does not have cylinder deactivation like the automatic transmission).  22-23 mpg because I have a very heavy foot.
wife has a mazda 3.  30-35 mpg.

And guess what?  I don't care about any of it.  On "Earth Hour" I turned my heat up to 75, turned on every light in the house and stomped on an endangered species of insect in my back yard.
I care insomuch as it affects what I pay out.  When gas is expensive, it can cost up to $60 to fill my tank in the Accord.  Do I complain?  not at all, it is what it is.
Methinks thou dost protest too much.  

[The Anvil]

This reminds me of the people who think reducing the world's population by 90%.

90%??? Who's saying that?

I am a proponent of population reduction myself. I'd like to keep it at a cool 4 billion. But achieving that goal does not mean that people have to jump feet-first into a wood chipper by the millions. Over time with some sensible family planning the world's population could be brought under control. Make no mistake; all of the virulent diseases we see popping up are a complex organisms natural reaction to an infection.

If we don't do it ourselves then nature WILL do it for us and the results may be so devastating that the course of humanity may be irrevocably sent on a downward path.

[Psychotic Bovine]

This reminds me of the people who think reducing the world's population by 90%.

90%??? Who's saying that?

I am a proponent of population reduction myself. I'd like to keep it at a cool 4 billion. But achieving that goal does not mean that people have to jump feet-first into a wood chipper by the millions. Over time with some sensible family planning the world's population could be brought under control. Make no mistake; all of the virulent diseases we see popping up are a complex organisms natural reaction to an infection.

If we don't do it ourselves then nature WILL do it for us and the results may be so devastating that the course of humanity may be irrevocably sent on a downward path.

Yes, some radical enviros have said that the population should be reduced by 90%.  Thankfully they are in the extreme minority.  I was using the 90 percenters as an extreme example. 

[..]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

I've waited most of the day to reply.

I note you haven't replied to any other posts in this thread so I will take your reply as a personal attack once again.

My post was in response to other posts concerning Bushs' and Obamas' presidencies and the price of gas.

My post was made to illustrate the price of gas during Bush's Presidency. Nothing more as simple  comprehension of my written words will easily show.

There is no substance to my post that would lead a rational mind to deduce I was complaining about the price of gas on the date I quote.

I've owned my 1997 Tahoe since 1999. In that time I have driven it about 122,000 miles. An average of  9,384 miles per year. At a mpg of 15 that equates to 626 gallons per year.

Please let the other thread posters know how many cumulative miles of personal transport you have travelled excluding your motorcycle in that time. This of course will include all of your air travel. I haven't traveleld by aeroplane since 1995.

I will now and forever place you on ignore as once again you have very easily shown yourself to be incapable of polite written discourse.

[musclehead]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

yes I know it's the end of summer, that doesn't explain away the rapidity of the drop.

Sure it does; they were trying to affect the election. Sept. to Nov it dropped like a greased crowbar. Thing is; they might have had a greater effect had they started a month earlier but it took a little while for the prices to make their way to the pumps. But they're so frigging greedy that they couldn't help themselves. They won't make THAT mistake again. 

who was trying to effect the election? the oil companies? this is why we on the right are not very good at conspiracy theories, we need proof. 

[musclehead]

I have a photo on my cell phone I took on 8/1/08.

Gas was $3.79 a gallon regular at a non rip off gas station on Windy Hill Rd, Smyrna, GA.

Cost to fill my Tahoe at that time $90.19

That's the point.  +$90 to fill your machine... you contribute to the high costs of petrol because you over consume compared to the rest of the world.  Want lower prices?  Reduce demand.

This reminds me of the people who think reducing the world's population by 90%.  I notice they NEVER volunteer to be first.  I would imagine SE that your "carbon footprint" is greater than mine.
some facts about me:
1,000 square foot house.  $55 a month gas bill.  $40 electric bill ($75 in summer). How big is your house?
1 Honda Valkyrie, 35 mpg.
1 Honda Accord (I did a very selfish thing and bought the 6 speed V6 which does not have cylinder deactivation like the automatic transmission).  22-23 mpg because I have a very heavy foot.
wife has a mazda 3.  30-35 mpg.

And guess what?  I don't care about any of it.  On "Earth Hour" I turned my heat up to 75, turned on every light in the house and stomped on an endangered species of insect in my back yard.
I care insomuch as it affects what I pay out.  When gas is expensive, it can cost up to $60 to fill my tank in the Accord.  Do I complain?  not at all, it is what it is.
Methinks thou dost protest too much.  

god i wish my electric bill was that cheap in the summer, but of course we don't have to heat the house 

[junior]

This reminds me of the people who think reducing the world's population by 90%.

90%??? Who's saying that?

I am a proponent of population reduction myself. I'd like to keep it at a cool 4 billion. But achieving that goal does not mean that people have to jump feet-first into a wood chipper by the millions. Over time with some sensible family planning the world's population could be brought under control. Make no mistake; all of the virulent diseases we see popping up are a complex organisms natural reaction to an infection.

If we don't do it ourselves then nature WILL do it for us and the results may be so devastating that the course of humanity may be irrevocably sent on a downward path.

wood chippers dont work so well, they just magle and leave big chunks to clean up. (yes i have seen it in person and dont really want to get into details)

[The Anvil]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

yes I know it's the end of summer, that doesn't explain away the rapidity of the drop.

Sure it does; they were trying to affect the election. Sept. to Nov it dropped like a greased crowbar. Thing is; they might have had a greater effect had they started a month earlier but it took a little while for the prices to make their way to the pumps. But they're so frigging greedy that they couldn't help themselves. They won't make THAT mistake again. 

who was trying to effect the election? the oil companies? this is why we on the right are not very good at conspiracy theories, we need proof. 

It's not really a "conspiracy theory" first of all. It's an industry protecting it's interests. What more proof do you need that the predictable way in which the price fluctuates?

As far as the right needing proof for conspiracy theories. Thank you. I now have coffee all over my keyboard. 

[musclehead]

OR increase supply! Obviously we need to decrease our collective dependency on oil, however, that's not going to happen overnight.

Actually it'll never happen if gas stays cheap. We've desperately needed to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels for almost as long as I've been alive but we've done little to nothing meaningful for most of that time. Sorry man, but we can't be trusted on our own. That's a fact.

Besides which, the President (no matter what Beckittybaugh tells you) does not directly control the price of gasoline. Policies can have an effect, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that oil companies and speculators are driving the price up (along with an aggressive propaganda campaign to deflect the blame from them onto Obama) in an attempt to affect the next election. That's also why they were so low just before the election of 2008. They want their pocket-president back (as does the rest of the corporate world). We'll see if the American people are dumb enough to fall for it.

ok, refer to the graph above and tell me why gas prices dropped so radically. oh I know they figured out Obama was coming into office and tried to make him look good 

Yes, look at it. Notice when it started falling so sharply...

yes I know it's the end of summer, that doesn't explain away the rapidity of the drop.

Sure it does; they were trying to affect the election. Sept. to Nov it dropped like a greased crowbar. Thing is; they might have had a greater effect had they started a month earlier but it took a little while for the prices to make their way to the pumps. But they're so frigging greedy that they couldn't help themselves. They won't make THAT mistake again. 

who was trying to effect the election? the oil companies? this is why we on the right are not very good at conspiracy theories, we need proof. 

It's not really a "conspiracy theory" first of all. It's an industry protecting it's interests. What more proof do you need that the predictable way in which the price fluctuates?

As far as the right needing proof for conspiracy theories. Thank you. I now have coffee all over my keyboard. 

no we're just no good at conspiracy theories, we're curious and try to dig. what proof have you that the oil companies all colluded and dropped prices together???  I can't wait for this answer 

[The Anvil]

no we're just no good at conspiracy theories, we're curious and try to dig.

Well at least you have a sense of humor about it.

what proof have you that the oil companies all colluded and dropped prices together???  I can't wait for this answer 

It's the internet. I don't need proof!

But seriously, look at the trends. In the absence of a smoking gun the logical thinker takes the circumstantial evidence at face-value and makes a most likely case determination. Are you telling me that you haven't come to a plethora of conclusions about things in life and politics based on trends, past evidence and human nature? Come on dude. Really. 

[WamegoRob]

What a relevant and timely topic.  Just two days ago I watched a documentary on the history of oil pricing and alternative fuels.
It's called "GasHole: What the oil companies don't want you to know" and was very interesting.

Trailer:
http://gasholemovie.com/trailer.html

You can see it in its entirety on NetFlix or here:
Hulu - GasHole - Watch the full movie now.

[musclehead]

no we're just no good at conspiracy theories, we're curious and try to dig.

Well at least you have a sense of humor about it.

what proof have you that the oil companies all colluded and dropped prices together???  I can't wait for this answer 

It's the internet. I don't need proof!

But seriously, look at the trends. In the absence of a smoking gun the logical thinker takes the circumstantial evidence at face-value and makes a most likely case determination. Are you telling me that you haven't come to a plethora of conclusions about things in life and politics based on trends, past evidence and human nature? Come on dude. Really. 

I've come to the conclusion your really reaching on this one