one more and I'll quit with the gun stuff

[musclehead]

for some reason i'm itching to try this, I've got a couple hundred rounds of 7 or 8 bird shot laying around. just need some crayons 

FerOcious 12 GA. WAX SLUGS Mega-TEST! - Slow Motion Study	powered by Aeva

[Psychotic Bovine]

I guess candle wax will work, too.  Just crayon wax is more dense.
The guy that makes those videos is pretty awesome.  Heck of a nice guy.

[The Anvil]

That is AWESOME.

[sugerbear]

i wonder what it would do without the shot?

less than lethal but make you not get up too soon?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Cool video and new to me.

I know some people reload revolver rounds with a primer only. Then put them open end down on a cookie sheet with melted gulf wax. When it hardens you pull your brass out and can then shoot your primer powered wax bullets. I guess they are supposed to be good for basement shooting ranges.

[Jess from VA]

Daddy........... where's all my dolls?????

(Sweet head shot on Barbie BTW)

[Thespian]

I'm a gun toting Liberal. why stop?

[X Ring]

Look at me, I'm shooting across a field with someone's house in the background.  Firearms rule #4:  Be sure of your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.

Freakin Moron!

Marty

[The Anvil]

i wonder what it would do without the shot?

less than lethal but make you not get up too soon?

I would say less lethal rather than less than lethal. It would still be quite capable of killing you even without the shot.

[YoungPUP]

Ok. physics are WAY above my brain level. Are these better or equal to regular old lead deer slug? How do you make them if they're better? Just pour hot wax into the enod of a bird round???  NOt a fan of mixing Hot with Gunpowder...

[The Anvil]

Ok. physics are WAY above my brain level. Are these better or equal to regular old lead deer slug? How do you make them if they're better? Just pour hot wax into the enod of a bird round???  NOt a fan of mixing Hot with Gunpowder...

There's wadding in there betwixt the powder and shot so you won't ignite it. I don't think hot wax would ignite it anyway.

Advantages over a lead slug? No ballistics left behind. 

Seriously though, could be used as a masterkey (door/lock breaching) round or as a cheap way to make big holes in stuff and have some fun. Bird and clay shot is super cheap and so are Chinese toxic crayons. Combine them and have some fun.

[Serk]

Ok. physics are WAY above my brain level. Are these better or equal to regular old lead deer slug? How do you make them if they're better? Just pour hot wax into the enod of a bird round???  NOt a fan of mixing Hot with Gunpowder...

Main advantage over regular slugs is these are CHEAP.

As far as how to, here ya' go:

How to make your own Wax Slugs for Shotguns	powered by Aeva

[Serk]

Thinking about this some more, here's the advantage, or at least difference, from a regular slug.

Regular slug is like a large bullet. It's gonna hit, make one big hole, probably blow through the target and make another big hole on whatever's behind the target.

These will delay the spread of a shotgun until the impact, at which point the wax will break up and send shot going in multiple directions within the target, causing MASSIVE trauma and multiple wound channels to the first thing it hits, but dissipating that damage and energy on it's first target and not having much, if any energy left for anything behind it.

Kind of like a 12 gauge Glaser Safety Slug...

I'm intrigued... My "Last Line" 12 gauge might get a few of these loaded up and tried in it. Very interesting idea...

[The Anvil]

Thinking about this some more, here's the advantage, or at least difference, from a regular slug.

Regular slug is like a large bullet. It's gonna hit, make one big hole, probably blow through the target and make another big hole on whatever's behind the target.

These will delay the spread of a shotgun until the impact, at which point the wax will break up and send shot going in multiple directions within the target, causing MASSIVE trauma and multiple wound channels to the first thing it hits, but dissipating that damage and energy on it's first target and not having much, if any energy left for anything behind it.

Kind of like a 12 gauge Glaser Safety Slug...

I'm intrigued... My "Last Line" 12 gauge might get a few of these loaded up and tried in it. Very interesting idea...

Buy several hundred rounds of birdshot and bricks of wax. Keep them around for doomsday. You'll always be able to melt wax and make them as the need arises.

From what I've seen though they stay together pretty well after impact. I'm not sure how well they'd work as safety slugs.

[Serk]

From what I've seen though they stay together pretty well after impact. I'm not sure how well they'd work as safety slugs.

Check out the comparison of shooting a wooden cable spool with a regular slug (Blasts through both sides of wood) and the wax slug (Blasts through the first wood, loose pellets embedded in the surface of the second piece of wood):

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=210177

And, a very cool video discussing the physics of this:

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[The Anvil]

Hm, that's very interesting. I think a trip to Wally World for some bulk birdshot is in order.

[musclehead]

Hm, that's very interesting. I think a trip to Wally World for some bulk birdshot is in order.

me thinks I've created a monster    (except I know better!)

[YoungPUP]

Wonder what would happen with buckshot and the same Idea?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

That is very cool. I'm not a shotgun guy but when I do shoot shotguns, it's virtually always a 16 gauge since that's what I own. Not a lot of ammo options available for the 16.

It looked like he was shooting them through a smooth-bore deer barrel. Wonder how they would do from a rifled  barrel? Rifled barrels with sabot slugs will frequently group 3 shots in 1.5" at 100 yards. If the centrifugal force wouldn't tear these apart the accuracy might be really good from a rifled barrel. I know some highpower rifle bullets will spin at 180,000 RPM but I've never seen figures on slug RPM from rifled barrels.

Probably going to have to load some up for the 16.

[The Anvil]

Wonder what would happen with buckshot and the same Idea?

I was wondering that too. We may find out.

[YoungPUP]

DId some more watching of these guys.  Interesting in a kinda scary way..

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[The Anvil]

I need another shotgun.

[musclehead]

Look at me, I'm shooting across a field with someone's house in the background.  Firearms rule #4:  Be sure of your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.

Freakin Moron!

Marty

I'm not sure a shottie would go that far? even with slugs? sure seems like they could've picked a better back drop, but those buildings are a ways off.

[hotglue #43]

I need another shotgun.

  I have one of these on order.....pretty sweet!!!

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[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Bullpup, 15 round shotgun, awesome. I've been wanting to see more about these ever since I read about it in one of the gun mags.

Make sure you let us know how you like it. Sounds like a great gun.

KelTec included a lifetime warranty on my .380, I imagine they do on all the firearms.

[larswlvs]

I do my own reloading with rifle and handgun and 12ga. ammo and have made some primer and wax only 38 and 357 rounds using beeswax because I have a friend that has bee hives and the wax is free. It is denser then candle wax, I'm wondering how it would work reloading some 12ga. shells

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I do my own reloading with rifle and handgun and 12ga. ammo and have made some primer and wax only 38 and 357 rounds using beeswax because I have a friend that has bee hives and the wax is free. It is denser then candle wax, I'm wondering how it would work reloading some 12ga. shells

Man, I've wanted to do that for my .357. Did you have to enlarge the primer pockets or did it work OK without enlarging them? Magnum primers or standard?

Sorry, can't answer your question about the bees wax. I do know it's an ingredient listed in some homemade cast bullet lubes though.

[Serk]

I do my own reloading with rifle and handgun and 12ga. ammo and have made some primer and wax only 38 and 357 rounds using beeswax because I have a friend that has bee hives and the wax is free. It is denser then candle wax, I'm wondering how it would work reloading some 12ga. shells

Man, I've wanted to do that for my .357. Did you have to enlarge the primer pockets or did it work OK without enlarging them? Magnum primers or standard?

Sorry, can't answer your question about the bees wax. I do know it's an ingredient listed in some homemade cast bullet lubes though.

I used to make 'em for a .38 and 9mm (Have to manually work the action). A regular primer in each will put the wax plug into drywall, ALMOST through one layer of drywall. It embedded itself into the drywall and was flush with the entrance surface, if that makes sense. Fun for plinking with in the garage.

I didn't enlarge the primer pockets or anything, just resize the brass, pop the old primer out, run the open end of the case  into a warmed (But not melted) slab of canning wax to cut a wax bullet into the case, then pop a fresh primer in.

I did it in that order because I discovered if you put the fresh primer in first then it will create a mostly air-tight seal and push the wax bullet back out as soon as you put it in. Leave the primer out so the air can escape through the primer hole while seating the bullet.

And in general, still be careful, just a primer alone can still cause a decent injury if your finger is over the case and one goes off.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I do my own reloading with rifle and handgun and 12ga. ammo and have made some primer and wax only 38 and 357 rounds using beeswax because I have a friend that has bee hives and the wax is free. It is denser then candle wax, I'm wondering how it would work reloading some 12ga. shells

Man, I've wanted to do that for my .357. Did you have to enlarge the primer pockets or did it work OK without enlarging them? Magnum primers or standard?

Sorry, can't answer your question about the bees wax. I do know it's an ingredient listed in some homemade cast bullet lubes though.

I used to make 'em for a .38 and 9mm (Have to manually work the action). A regular primer in each will put the wax plug into drywall, ALMOST through one layer of drywall. It embedded itself into the drywall and was flush with the entrance surface, if that makes sense. Fun for plinking with in the garage.

I didn't enlarge the primer pockets or anything, just resize the brass, pop the old primer out, run the open end of the case  into a warmed (But not melted) slab of canning wax to cut a wax bullet into the case, then pop a fresh primer in.

I did it in that order because I discovered if you put the fresh primer in first then it will create a mostly air-tight seal and push the wax bullet back out as soon as you put it in. Leave the primer out so the air can escape through the primer hole while seating the bullet.

And in general, still be careful, just a primer alone can still cause a decent injury if your finger is over the case and one goes off.

Thanks, it's much appreciated. 

[Serk]

...sorry to muddy the waters, but now I'm trying to remember... it's been 15 years or so... I remember the air pocket being a problem, but now I can't remember if putting the primer in pushed the wax out or if putting the wax in might have pushed the wax out. You might need to experiment a bit to get the order right... Sorry... =\

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

...sorry to muddy the waters, but now I'm trying to remember... it's been 15 years or so... I remember the air pocket being a problem, but now I can't remember if putting the primer in pushed the wax out or if putting the wax in might have pushed the wax out. You might need to experiment a bit to get the order right... Sorry... =\

Not a problem. I've got plenty of time to experiment while I'm laid up waiting on this leg to heal. I sent the wife an E mail asking her to pickup some gulf wax. I didn't mention it was so I can shoot in the basement or barn. ???
Hopefully she won't ask till after she picks it up.

[Jess Tolbirt]

wax poured into a 38 special and primer only will leave a 2 inch round scare on the back side of your right leg about 4 inches above the knee.

[mojo]

A primer has enough a$$ to send a 230 gr bullet into the barrel of a Colt .45acp without a powder charge. (Ask me how I know this) Also, there's no report in an autoloader!  I've loaded pistol rounds for years using only a primer and melting candles, parafin, or crayons for the projectile.

In my long barrel single action .357 mag I have shot wax thru a pack of cigarettes at 10', broken the window glass shooting at a wasp nest in second story window, and shot holes in every hanging basket around! 

Bet ya didn't know that a cut to length 30.06 brass will chamber in a 45acp.  No reason to do it, but it works!

mojo

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

A primer has enough a$$ to send a 230 gr bullet into the barrel of a Colt .45acp without a powder charge. (Ask me how I know this) Also, there's no report in an autoloader!  I've loaded pistol rounds for years using only a primer and melting candles, parafin, or crayons for the projectile.

In my long barrel single action .357 mag I have shot wax thru a pack of cigarettes at 10', broken the window glass shooting at a wasp nest in second story window, and shot holes in every hanging basket around! 

Bet ya didn't know that a cut to length 30.06 brass will chamber in a 45acp.  No reason to do it, but it works!

mojo

Unfortunately, I did know about the primer and a 45acp bullet, and, the same thing will happen with a 357 too. Wish you hadn't told me about the wasp nests, I hate wasps and I'm sure to get in some kind of trouble now. 

[larswlvs]

Man, I've wanted to do that for my .357. Did you have to enlarge the primer pockets or did it work OK without enlarging them? Magnum primers or standard?

Sorry, can't answer your question about the bees wax. I do know it's an ingredient listed in some homemade cast bullet lubes though.


I just use the regular CCI pistol primers but you could mag primers if you wished..there is no need to enlarge the primer pocket or the flash hole.Be careful this load is not as tame as you be led to believe,it can and will hurt you if you are on the receiving end of it... I use a beeswax and cosmolene mixture in my lubersizer my cast lead bullet lube and also use beeswax to flux my molten lead.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Gotta thank you guys for the info and advice concerning wax bullets. I no longer shoot 38's through my 357 because I don't like the rings in the cylinder from the shorter rounds. So, I loaded up 50 38's with wax bullets. Didn't resize them, just drove the primers out on the bench with a brass hammer and the decaping rod from a die. Stuck them open end down into a pan of melted gulf wax and removed and primed them after the wax hardened.

My Dan Wesson seemed to like them.  They're real quiet, makes more noise when the wax hits a cardboard box than it does shooting them. I'm already reloading some for a 2'nd go round.

Thanks again,
Mike

[musclehead]

wax poured into a 38 special and primer only will leave a 2 inch round scare on the back side of your right leg about 4 inches above the knee.

do we want the back story on how you know this??   

[Jess Tolbirt]

wax poured into a 38 special and primer only will leave a 2 inch round scare on the back side of your right leg about 4 inches above the knee.

do we want the back story on how you know this??   

my Dad and I used to run around the house playing "blat blat" when i was about 14 years old, well we would argue if we got the other one or not so to answer all questions he made up a bunch of wax bullets,,well i was looking up the stairs and behind me i heard a laff and a bang,, he shot me in the back of my bare leg,,,when Mother heard me holler out she came unarmed and my Dad got the whoopin of his life,,, ahhhh those were the good old days!!! where your Dad could shoot you and not go to jail,,,he was the chief in tyler tx. at the time...

[czuch]

^^^^^^^^^^^^Thats too funny right there!
Chinese toxic crayons,,,,Anvil, your thought process just kills me.
Now I gotta go to walmart and get some.
BTW, Beeswax wont deform on launch. I have some home defence,"gonnagetchas" with beeswax.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

wax poured into a 38 special and primer only will leave a 2 inch round scare on the back side of your right leg about 4 inches above the knee.

do we want the back story on how you know this??   

my Dad and I used to run around the house playing "blat blat" when i was about 14 years old, well we would argue if we got the other one or not so to answer all questions he made up a bunch of wax bullets,,well i was looking up the stairs and behind me i heard a laff and a bang,, he shot me in the back of my bare leg,,,when Mother heard me holler out she came unarmed and my Dad got the whoopin of his life,,, ahhhh those were the good old days!!! where your Dad could shoot you and not go to jail,,,he was the chief in tyler tx. at the time...

Now that's a cool story. Thanks for sharing it.