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[junior]

http://www.wmur.com/slideshow/news/30593858/detail.html

they say NHis the worst state for seatbelt laws, but our state motto is live free or die. we also have no helmet laws and we have state liquor stores on both sides (north and south bound) of the interstates  in our state.............we call them "rest areas"

i for one take responsability for my actions i wear no seatbelts unless it car makes tomuch of a warnning noise and i wear no helmet. and i have also drank and drove.

does this mean that i an gonna rot in hell?

see if your state is one of the best or worse for compliance...........

[Hoser]

"does this mean that i an gonna rot in hell?"
No, just that you are living on borrowed time.  I use a helmet, wear my seatbelt, and don't drink and drive, and I support your right not to do those things. To each his own.  Hoser 

[John Schmidt]

"does this mean that i an gonna rot in hell?"
No, just that you are living on borrowed time.  I use a helmet, wear my seatbelt, and don't drink and drive, and I support your right not to do those things. To each his own.  Hoser 

+1. As I've often stated, a seatbelt and/or a helmet is a lot less restrictive than a wheelchair. Assuming a person lives to use the wheelchair.

[G-Man]

Here in NY, they swore they would not use the seatbelt to make a traffic stop.  The summons for the seatbelt would only be given if they pulled you over for something else and noticed you weren't wearing the belt.

Well, the cops now set up shop on highway off-ramps that have hidden curves.  As you come around the curve on the ramp and slow down, the cop is right there on the left.

How do I know they're looking for the seatbelt you may ask.  I had an expired inspection sticker on the car that the cop looked directly over to see if I was wearing the belt.  I actually lifted it up off my shoulder to show him that I was wearing it as I approched him and he waived me on.  I have also received 2 seat belt summons' over the last 5 or 6 years with no other mention or summons of doing something else wrong.

The other night I watched a reality show that showed an SUV that was on fire.  The mother was able to get herself and an infant out, but her 5 year old was stuck in the seat with the seatbelt jammed in the tensioning position so it was on him nice and tight.  Two brothers that happen to be firemen went into action.  One of them endured the flames and suffered burns on his arms and neck while he struggled to release the child.  I was on the edge of my seat as I watched only his legs outside the vehicle, wriggling back and forth.  They cut back and forth to interviews with him and he said the fire was consuming the child who was screaming and his hair was on fire.  The smoke was incredible and the firman said he working by touch to free the belt which had to be cut off.  They both finally emerged from the vehicle and the child suffered burns on 60% of his body.  It was unreal.

[The Anvil]

Again, not being secured in your seat (where you need to be to maintain control of the vehicle) can contribute to the mayhem. I don't have a problem with seatbelt laws or pulloing people over for not wearing them. It's not always all about you and your "right" to be a menace to others on the road. Driving in and of itself is not a "right" anyway.

[alph]

i stopped wearing my seat belt when it became a law.  i use to wear it all the time until they said i had too.

i just think that they should enforce the texting laws more then seatbelts.  never saw anyone causing an accident because they were wearing their seatbelt.

[The Anvil]

i stopped wearing my seat belt when it became a law.  i use to wear it all the time until they said i had too.

You made me laugh hardest today. You get a gold star. 

[Master Blaster]

News flash, here in rural Louisiana there are a few Rednecks scattered about.  Although the rate they are killing themselves they are becomming an endangered species.  The local weekly wipe and TV news regulary reports that these yokels lose controll in a single vehicle accident, are ejected and killed not wearing seat belts.  It is unbelieveable how often this occurs.  Many times there are pictures that show the psg compartment is intact, and the accident was totally surviveable.  Wear the dammed seat belt.

[junior]

News flash, here in rural Louisiana there are a few Rednecks scattered about.  Although the rate they are killing themselves they are becomming an endangered species.  The local weekly wipe and TV news regulary reports that these yokels lose controll in a single vehicle accident, are ejected and killed not wearing seat belts.  It is unbelieveable how often this occurs.  Many times there are pictures that show the psg compartment is intact, and the accident was totally surviveable.  Wear the dammed seat belt.

no................

[fudgie]

News flash, here in rural Louisiana there are a few Rednecks scattered about.  Although the rate they are killing themselves they are becomming an endangered species.  The local weekly wipe and TV news regulary reports that these yokels lose controll in a single vehicle accident, are ejected and killed not wearing seat belts.  It is unbelieveable how often this occurs.  Many times there are pictures that show the psg compartment is intact, and the accident was totally surviveable.  Wear the dammed seat belt.

Seen alot of squeeshed noggins from folks that had there belts on.

[fudgie]

  never saw anyone causing an accident because they were wearing their seatbelt.

This part made me laugh! 

[FloridaValkRyder]

I must be in the twilight zone here. First the texting and riding thread that some of you admit to..then this seatbelt / helmet thing, DUI thing. Fudgie you said you are a fireman? Then you must by God know that belts/helmets save lives. DUI speaks for itself. Do it and you are STUPID PERIOD!! People with "squeeshed noggins" wearing seat belts would have died regardless. They don't guarantee survival, just improve your chances. People trapped by seat belts in burning car accidents are incredibly rare.

Again, not being secured in your seat (where you need to be to maintain control of the vehicle) can contribute to the mayhem. I don't have a problem with seatbelt laws or pulling people over for not wearing them. It's not always all about you and your "right" to be a menace to others on the road. Driving in and of itself is not a "right" anyway.

+1 

Do what ever you want to your self, drive off a bridge maybe, but don't take me or mine with you!

[Crazy Miles]

Are you still froze in up there or is it mud season?    I feel for you guys up there.   Now, IF I had a new Wing, would I  need a seat belt because of the air bag?   Would I wear a helmet in N.H.  Nah,  It feels to good to wear one.  You folks have a choice!   We here in Mass, have to wear seat belts and  helmets.  We have NO CHOICE!     Spring is coming!! Hang in there

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

i stopped wearing my seat belt when it became a law.  i use to wear it all the time until they said i had too.

I did the same. Feel like I'm pissing on Jefferson's grave every time I let myself be forced into wearing the damn things. Called my local rep and told em that too when they passed the law.

In Indiana, first it was "we'll make it a law for cars only and you can't be pulled over for seatbelts alone". Then it was cars only but you can be pulled over for it. At that point I borrowed ten grand and bought a used truck.

Then it was mandatory for cars and trucks with a fine for not wearing them. So, I went back to motorcycling.  When I have to cage it I generally skip the seatbelt at night and hook it under my knee in the daylight most of the time so it looks like I'm wearing it. I feel like it's my patriotic duty to do so.

As you can see from the above they have strangling our rights down to a science. By just going after cars they were able to keep from pissing off the farmers who would have called their congressmen about it. Then they ran ad's asking the car drivers why they should be the only ones who had to wear them to make them jealous of the pickup drivers. They used natural human pettiness to get what they wanted. I'd almost guarantee they hire physiologists to help them manipulate people into giving up their freedoms.

Next will probably be giving police a remote control which won't let people release their seat-belts during traffic stops which maybe the real reason for the whole thing.

I guarantee they will use the jealousy and pettiness of non riders and riders in mandatory helmet states to try to force a national helmet law when they think they can get by with it too. They may even try just mandatory helmets for people who ride certain kinds of bikes or something similar to break up the opposition, then wait a few years and screw the rest of us.

It's the same technique they try with gun control, just go after handguns or just go after semiautomatics or just go after black guns. Divide the opposition, and then conquer them one small group at a time.

And many fine Americans blindly follow just like lemmings over a cliff.

It's not those who would take our freedom that are scarey, it's those who are blind to it.

[fudgie]

Fudgie you said you are a fireman? Then you must by God know that belts/helmets save lives. DUI speaks for itself. Do it and you are STUPID PERIOD!! People with "squeeshed noggins" wearing seat belts would have died regardless. They don't guarantee survival, just improve your chances. People trapped by seat belts in burning car accidents are incredibly rare.

Yes full time EMS and Vol FF. Hit and miss on the seat belt and 99% helmetless. Yep, alot of deaths seen both ways. Seen belted people die in a 30 mph crash and unbelted ones hit a semi at 75 mph which rips the entire engine and drive train out 150' away from the car and she leaves the hospital the next day. If its our time to go, we will go.

[junior]

next thing your gonna tell me that it is wrong to scromp on the first date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Anvil]

That crap about seatbelts taking lives is apocrypha. It may have been true at one time back in the stone age when seatbelts were very primitive but not anymore.

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies? Do you realize how childish that it? Thomas Jefferson would probably call you a baby and tell you to sack up and do the smart thing. Do you refuse to wear eye protection on your bike for the same reason? "I don't need mah eyes! T-Jeff would be prod o' me!!!"

[junior]

That crap about seatbelts taking lives is apocrypha. It may have been true at one time back in the stone age when seatbelts were very primitive but not anymore.

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies? Do you realize how childish that it? Thomas Jefferson would probably call you a baby and tell you to sack up and do the smart thing. Do you refuse to wear eye protection on your bike for the same reason? "I don't need mah eyes! T-Jeff would be prod o' me!!!"

 will you come get that camera out of my house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and by law in the state of nh with the windscreen i dont need to wear eye protection, but i do wer them, but no helmet.(it messes up my hair)   

[The Anvil]

That crap about seatbelts taking lives is apocrypha. It may have been true at one time back in the stone age when seatbelts were very primitive but not anymore.

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies? Do you realize how childish that it? Thomas Jefferson would probably call you a baby and tell you to sack up and do the smart thing. Do you refuse to wear eye protection on your bike for the same reason? "I don't need mah eyes! T-Jeff would be prod o' me!!!"

 will you come get that camera out of my house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and by law in the state of nh with the windscreen i dont need to wear eye protection, but i do wer them, but no helmet.(it messes up my hair)   

I think that's the law in most places, if the screen comes to eye-level or higher then eye protection is not required. Being a contact lens wearer means that I wear them anyway since a subatomic particle in your eye can feel like gravel.

[DIGGER]

A seatbelt won't save your life if it's Gods will that you die in an automobile accident........

However, it WILL save you a lot of pain if all He was trying to do was wreck your car.

[fudgie]

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies?

No, I tell her what to cook! 

[Skinhead]

That crap about seatbelts taking lives is apocrypha. It may have been true at one time back in the stone age when seatbelts were very primitive but not anymore.

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies? Do you realize how childish that it? Thomas Jefferson would probably call you a baby and tell you to sack up and do the smart thing. Do you refuse to wear eye protection on your bike for the same reason? "I don't need mah eyes! T-Jeff would be prod o' me!!!"

 will you come get that camera out of my house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and by law in the state of nh with the windscreen i dont need to wear eye protection, but i do wer them, but no helmet.(it messes up my hair)   

I think that's the law in most places, if the screen comes to eye-level or higher then eye protection is not required. Being a contact lens wearer means that I wear them anyway since a subatomic particle in your eye can feel like gravel.

Isn't your eye made of sub-atomic particles?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

That crap about seatbelts taking lives is apocrypha. It may have been true at one time back in the stone age when seatbelts were very primitive but not anymore.

Those of you who refuse to wear the belts specifically because it's law, do you also stomp your feet, pout and yell "NO FAIR" when your wife makes you eat your veggies? Do you realize how childish that it? Thomas Jefferson would probably call you a baby and tell you to sack up and do the smart thing. Do you refuse to wear eye protection on your bike for the same reason? "I don't need mah eyes! T-Jeff would be prod o' me!!!"

I only pout when when the wife's got a headache. 

[MAD6Gun]

i stopped wearing my seat belt when it became a law.  i use to wear it all the time until they said i had too.

 Oooo That will show them.

Back in Jan of 92 I had a car crash. Rear ended  a 71 Plymouth with a 84 Dodge Colt. Now if you don't know a Colt is a very small car. The car was shortened by 2 feet. I suffered a cracked left hip socket and abrasions to my left knee (from removing the Fuse panel from the dash). I was wearing a seat belt. If I had not been I would not be typing this right now.

 I wear mine all the time and Yes I wear a helmet too. ALL THE TIME.....

[Chiefy]

http://www.wmur.com/slideshow/news/30593858/detail.html

they say NHis the worst state for seatbelt laws, but our state motto is live free or die. we also have no helmet laws and we have state liquor stores on both sides (north and south bound) of the interstates  in our state.............we call them "rest areas"

i for one take responsability for my actions i wear no seatbelts unless it car makes tomuch of a warnning noise and i wear no helmet. and i have also drank and drove.

does this mean that i an gonna rot in hell?

see if your state is one of the best or worse for compliance...........

I believe in helmets and seatbelts.  But I see no reason that others should be forced to wear them.  Well, okay force minors.  But adults can make their own decisions on personal safety.

But drink and drive?  That's another story.  It's been passe for some time now to get stupid drunk and wipe out an innocent family as you drive the wrong way down the interstate.  I can't believe the "bike nights" at some of the bars around here.  "3d drink free if you ride in."  Yeah, that's being a stand up business in the community  (not)

[junior]

[quote author=Chiefy link=topic=39310.msg371006#msg371006 date=13314129

I believe in helmets and seatbelts.  But I see no reason that others should be forced to wear them.  Well, okay force minors.  But adults can make their own decisions on personal safety.

But drink and drive?  That's another story.  It's been passe for some time now to get stupid drunk and wipe out an innocent family as you drive the wrong way down the interstate.  I can't believe the "bike nights" at some of the bars around here.  "3d drink free if you ride in."  Yeah, that's being a stand up business in the community  (not)
[/quote]


where is that bar? 

[The Anvil]

But again the important thing being ignored here is the fact that being belted in can mean the differe...

Ah f**k it, if you're not smart enough to get it by now you never will.

[junior]

you guys are rich..... 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

It's not a matter of being smart. The question of seats being effective in saving lives is unimportant and irrelevant also. No doubt they are effective, my wife and my oldest son have both had their lives saved by wearing them. My oldest brother probably lost his life because he wasn't wearing one.

There are two roadside markers within 15 miles of where I'm sitting right now where two friends of my kids drowned in their cars while seat-belted though. I do beleive in some instances such as those people are killed by wearing seat-belts. Is it the governments job to decide that the people who are saved by seat-belts live and those who are killed by them die? If your child was one who was killed by a seat-belt would you feel that it was worth the sacrifice of his/her life because more would be saved than killed by them?

The question is, is it within the intended range of our government's power to force people to wear seat belts. I don't beleive it is. When seat belt usage becomes mandatory instead of voluntary it ceases to be a safety issue and becomes a freedom issue.

It's my understanding of the beliefs of our founders that I have a duty to uphold and respect the freedoms of all citizens, even those who exercise freedoms I have little interest in. To me, civil disobedience as in(doing your best to resist unjust laws) or as Thoreau put it (to cause resistance against the machine) is the least that our founders would have done if they were told they had to be strapped to their horses or buggies or that their rifles and muskets were to be unloaded and padlocked. Either would be an over reach of our governments power just as I believe modern day mandatory seat-belt usage is.

[The Anvil]

It's not a matter of being smart.

No, it is. As I've said numerous times; it's not simply about a choice that affects you and only you. But like I said, I'm done explaining it if you can't figure that out.

[Oss]

got a ticket right here in NY, in da Bronx no less riding my interstate, with fairing, with flip up helmet in down position with no shield

I was wearing ansi safety glasses which is ok in NY

actually the law is goggles or ansi safety glasses

LEO said I needed goggles

I wont repeat here what I told him and the A Judge who heard the ticket which was dismissed on account of the officer was an A HOLE who did not know or care about the law

$hit happens, wear what you want, I will wear what I want

just please buckle up your kids if you have any  Carry a sharp knife or box cutter for cutting the seat belt if the mechanism jams  They sell em everywhere along with the gizmo that will break your window glass

[fudgie]

It's not a matter of being smart.

No, it is. As I've said numerous times; it's not simply about a choice that affects you and only you. But like I said, I'm done explaining it if you can't figure that out.

Not sure how mike not wearing his belt effects you 5 States away.  ???

[Valkahuna]

The way I see it, those that don't wear helmets and seat belts are gambling with their lives. I don't really care if they do, as long as they have insurance to cover their injuries and support.

Other than that, I look it the same as "survival of the fittest", or the "thinning of the herd". I also believe we should have the right to choose, and I choose to increase my chances. If you choose the other, that's your call. As for me, I'm stubborn and proud of my rights, but I'm not stupid. 

[junior]

The way I see it, those that don't wear helmets and seat belts are gambling with their lives. I don't really care if they do, as long as they have insurance to cover their injuries and support.

Other than that, I look it the same as "survival of the fittest", or the "thinning of the herd". I also believe we should have the right to choose, and I choose to increase my chances. If you choose the other, that's your call. As for me, I'm stubborn and proud of my rights, but I'm not stupid. 

they way i see it those of you who shower without them slip proof mats in the tubs are gambling with thier lifes. cause its a proven fact that there are more injuries in the bathroom than there is on the nataions hyways...............think about it folks esp. if you scromp in the shower or drink in your hot tub you could pass out and drown and you old guys while scropping gould break a hip ir pop a blood vesil and have a stroke.

so stop tring to tell me just how stupid i am for living in a state that dont require a seatbelt or a freaking helmet. and i'll stop judgeing you for your oppinions

junior

[The Anvil]

so stop tring to tell me just how stupid i am for living in a state that dont require a seatbelt or a freaking helmet.

He's right you know. You can use his spelling and grammar for that. 

I keed, I keed fellow Granite Stater! 

[MacDragon]

It's not a matter of being smart. The question of seats being effective in saving lives is unimportant and irrelevant also. No doubt they are effective, my wife and my oldest son have both had their lives saved by wearing them. My oldest brother probably lost his life because he wasn't wearing one.

There are two roadside markers within 15 miles of where I'm sitting right now where two friends of my kids drowned in their cars while seat-belted though. I do beleive in some instances such as those people are killed by wearing seat-belts. Is it the governments job to decide that the people who are saved by seat-belts live and those who are killed by them die? If your child was one who was killed by a seat-belt would you feel that it was worth the sacrifice of his/her life because more would be saved than killed by them?

The question is, is it within the intended range of our government's power to force people to wear seat belts. I don't beleive it is. When seat belt usage becomes mandatory instead of voluntary it ceases to be a safety issue and becomes a freedom issue.

It's my understanding of the beliefs of our founders that I have a duty to uphold and respect the freedoms of all citizens, even those who exercise freedoms I have little interest in. To me, civil disobedience as in(doing your best to resist unjust laws) or as Thoreau put it (to cause resistance against the machine) is the least that our founders would have done if they were told they had to be strapped to their horses or buggies or that their rifles and muskets were to be unloaded and padlocked. Either would be an over reach of our governments power just as I believe modern day mandatory seat-belt usage is.

Gotta hand it to ya Frye... good analogy...