My CCW permit renewal jumping through hoops

[..]

I spent one hour on the phone to the north annex probate office in Sandy Springs, GA and the main probate office in downtown Atlanta trying to speak to a human being about renewal procedure.


Eventually I  gave up and asked an attorney friend if he had any contacts at the Sandy Springs office.


He supplied me with some direct phone numbers of workers at each office.


I called a couple of "normal" sounding names and eventually got a call back from the downtown office. Still haven't received a call back from the local office.


The lady told me that I would have to start the procedure over. There was no renewal process. It's 5 year permit


I would have to go to the probate office with a stamped addressed envelope and $30 application fee. I would also need a $45 money order for the fingerprint fee.


Arriving at the probate office it took about 15 minutes to get processed. I asked why i had to get fingerprints done again. No-one knew why only that it was the process.


Hey Ho off to the Sandy Springs PD. for fingerprinting.


Arriving there I had to fill out another form with my personal details EVEN though I had to give them the form I had just completed at the probate office with exactly the same information.

I was also told that I had to pay cash. So I have to cash my money order. More wasted gas in purchasing and cashing it out.


I asked the female LEO why I had to get fingerprinted again. No idea it was the process was the reply.


I now have to wait 4-6 weeks for my application to be processed THEN I have to drive to the downtown office to pick up my CCW permit. A round trip of 50.4 miles. This in a time when we are being TOLD to cut back on using gas.


Why a CCW permit with my signature, photo and right thumb print can't be mailed to me I have no idea. The previous one was.


Why I had to get fingerprinted again I have no idea.


I was fingerprinted when I applied for a green card.


I was fingerprinted when I applied for citizenship


I was fingerprinted when I applied to be a school bus driver


I was fingerprinted when I applied for my first CCW permit.


ANd THESE MORONS want to run health care.

[The Anvil]

Wow, sounds like GA is a PITA. I had to renew a couple months ago after forgetting for almost two years. Submitted app and paid 20 bucks. Two weeks later I had me permit.

[fudgie]

Ind is easy. Well easier now because they offer lifetime lisc. Less then $100, for me, and good forever, never to pay another fee. Utah is not to bad. Its a 5 yr permit and they send you a notice you are about to expirer. Pay $5 (i think) and you good for another 5 yrs. Also has a grace period so if you do expire you dont have to do the whole process again.

[billyjakester]

Georgia isn't the problem.  It's Fulton county.............their overall bureauracracy for virtually anything involving the average citizen is mind numbing......speeding fines, permits, jury duty, etc. etc. etc.

Forsyth county (just north) I walked in completed a "renewal" form, paid my fee, fingerprinted and left.  Received my renewed CCW in the mail.

[Stanley Steamer]

I got my CCW permit a couple of years ago....got to check to see when it has to be renewed.....it wasn't too hard to get here in Athens......had to start at the probate Court.....pay them some $$....went downstairs to the Sheriff's office and had digital fingerprints done.....they got a few $$....seems like it was ~$45 total for both places......applied for it on a Friday before lunch, and had my CCW permit in the mail one week later on a Friday.......

[alph]

Ind is easy. Well easier now because they offer lifetime lisc. Less then $100, for me, and good forever, never to pay another fee.

DO IT!!!!  any time you can do something "for life" do it now!!!  seems like the fee's always go up!

[Jeff K]

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

[Jess Tolbirt]

Here I fill out a form and enclose a check for 45$ and they send me a new permit with the same pic my DL has on it,,,

[Bigwolf]

Jess, the Tennessee renewal is now $50.  Inflation ya know.

[Bob E.]

I think it was $20 cash last time I renewed mine here in Washington County, PA.  Walked into Sheriff's office, fill out a form, get picture taken, wait 15mins, and walk out with permit in hand.  Piece of cake...and good for 5 years.

[RP#62]

AZ is even easier.  You don't need a permit for CCW.  They've discovered this provision in the Bill of Rights that authorizes it.
-RP

[herc770]

I was fingerprinted when I applied for citizenship


I was fingerprinted when I applied for my first CCW permit.

You crazy Brit's started a war with us once, we don't wanna give you weapons so you can try it again, LOL

Here in California my CCW is only good for 2 years.
I have to pay a $40 training fee to sit through another 4 hour class.
I have to shoot my weapons again to requalify with them.
I will have to make an appt to turn in my paperwork and pay an additional $65 processing fee.
And just like magic, I get another permit that will only last me 2 years

[..]

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

That's part of my beef Jeff.

WHY aren't the prints kept on file?

HOW do you hope to keep track of all of us otherwise?

[..]

Reply from an ENGLISH FRIEND WHO LIKE ME IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

Lives in NC.

just went through similar crap getting handgun purchase permits.
 
In 2007 I applied for and was issued five handgun permits by the Burke county Sheriffs department after much ado. Background check, finger prints, provided my passport and my naturalization certificate and at that time they assured me I would be in their system and would not have to jump through the same hoops next time around.
 
Well, bollocks I say because I just went up and applied for two more last week and had to go through the same rig-moral again. When I finally picked up the permits I politely asked why seeing as I had done this before and I was politely informed that " I should be grateful to be allowed to purchase and own a handgun seeing as I am a foreigner"!!!! Needless to say I had to leave immediately..............................................

[BigAl]

When you sign up for your Health Care Card.

Guess what you will be finger printed.

Did not see that coming did you?

Unless you are a Mexican and are here Illegally.

Then you just say Si Senior I want to get it free.

Too bad you ain't a Mexican.

After all the hoops you jumped through to be an American, that's gotta sting a little.

[rmrc51]

Sorry to hear all the hoops you have to go thought. My county here in Central VA is super easy. All you do is pay them $25.00 and they renew the permit. The only catch here is that you have to remember to renew. And that's no big deal.

[Full_Throttle]

I don't want to hear ANY complaints...here in Illinois it doesn't cost us anything....because we can't get a conceal carry.....

[herc770]

I don't want to hear ANY complaints...here in Illinois it doesn't cost us anything....because we can't get a conceal carry.....

Thank goodness!!! A criminal's job is stressfull enough worrying about law enforcement, they shouldn't have to worry about a law abiding citizen being able to protect themselves and causing them harm...

Next thing ya know, they will have free health care too.

[Canuck]

I'm a permanent resident here from Canada for nine years now.  I had no problems getting my CCW in OH.  Took the course, which is a mandatory 12 hours here - that's a long day. Cost - $125.  Permit application was $67 cash at the local sherrif's office including more finger printing.  It was turned around in 3 weeks, which was fast for a government agency.

Now, purchasing a gun from a gun shop was a little harder.  I had to prove that I lived here for the last three months by producing the most current utility bills with my name and address on them.  I was not given the official reason for this, but I suspect they want to make sure I didn't move back North and just came down here to buy a gun and smuggle it back.  Once I produced them, I was put on hold for two days and then finally approved.  It was overall a very smooth process.

CCW Course                    $125
CCW Permit                      $67
SW MP 9C                       $350
Out of State FLA permit    $107
                                      $649

Personal Protection           Priceless

[x]

ANd THESE MORONS want to run health care.

You think the county office that does CCW renewals would also be running health care?

[MacDragon]

ANd THESE MORONS want to run health care.

You think the county office that does CCW renewals would also be running health care?

I believe he is talking about the government in general... But I know you like stirring the pot...

[Skinhead]

I don't want to hear ANY complaints...here in Illinois it doesn't cost us anything....because we can't get a conceal carry.....

That my friend can be remedied through the polls.

[Skinhead]

I'm a permanent resident here from Canada for nine years now.  I had no problems getting my CCW in OH.  Took the course, which is a mandatory 12 hours here - that's a long day. Cost - $125.  Permit application was $67 cash at the local sherrif's office including more finger printing.  It was turned around in 3 weeks, which was fast for a government agency.

Now, purchasing a gun from a gun shop was a little harder.  I had to prove that I lived here for the last three months by producing the most current utility bills with my name and address on them.  I was not given the official reason for this, but I suspect they want to make sure I didn't move back North and just came down here to buy a gun and smuggle it back.  Once I produced them, I was put on hold for two days and then finally approved.  It was overall a very smooth process.

CCW Course                    $125
CCW Permit                      $67
SW MP 9C                       $350
Out of State FLA permit    $107
                                      $649

Personal Protection           Priceless

What other right do you have to pay to exercise?  Freedom of speech? Press? Religion?  This whole process is nothing more than a tax to exercise a right guaranteed by the bill of rights.  Make your voices heard and VOTE!

[Jeff K]

If you are not a criminal there is no reason to keep the finger prints. You are not "registering" to own a gun, you are simply getting a background check to be sure you are eligible. If you haven't done anything wrong there is no need for big brother to keep a file on you.

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

That's part of my beef Jeff.

WHY aren't the prints kept on file?

HOW do you hope to keep track of all of us otherwise?

[x]

If you are not a criminal there is no reason to keep the finger prints. You are not "registering" to own a gun, you are simply getting a background check to be sure you are eligible. If you haven't done anything wrong there is no need for big brother to keep a file on you.

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

That's part of my beef Jeff.

WHY aren't the prints kept on file?

HOW do you hope to keep track of all of us otherwise?

Britman's prints are on file... as a naturalized US citizen he was fingerprinted, and those prints reside in the NCIS database... so he is being 'tracked', as it were.  His local prints should have pulled a hit in the NCIS database, which would have verified him as a naturalized citizen.

[..]

The older I get the more I find many forms of Govt from city to Federal to be inefficent and a waste of tax payers money.

On the day I applied for my CCW (March 9) I gave, as requested, a SAE so I could receive notification of whether my application was to be approved/rejected. Told that it would take 4 to 6 weeks.

2 months on I haven't heard so yesterday I called the main Probate Office in downtown Atlanta. Pressing 1 for Marriage/Gun licences I get another prompt request for guns. This results in a recorded message with no option of leaving voice mail.

I call back to speak to the main switchboard . I tell them my problem and she transfers me to the same frickin no voice mail option

So I call back and ask for voice mail. I leave a detailed message includign my application number.

24 hours on no-one has called me.

It's disgusting that my taxes pay for this woefully poor service.

I dont' care if they are Dems or Repubs they are all tarred with the same brush.

These are the type of idiots who want to run Health Care.

Nearly forgot.The first recorded message still has wrong information.

They say that the fingerprint cost is $42.50. It's $50.00

They say it's payable with a Money Order. I had to pay cash.

Morons.

While I'm ranting.

The head of the GSA din't know that good business practise requires at least 3 requests for price.

The IRS is giving $4.2 billion dollars tax credits a year to illegals for child that don't need to be proved are a in this country or exsist. They claim nothing can be done. Whoever is in charge of this program should be marched out of their office and summarily fired with no pension or any other benefits.

These are the type of idiots who want to run Health Care.

[solo1]

I walked into the Chief's office, he personally escorted me to his secretary.  I gave her the total amount for the lifetime license, filled out the form, and received my lifetime license about 3 weeks later.

i love small towns and Indiana.  No bureaucracy, no bullcrap, just results.

[R J]

If you want to go through BS, become a LEO, automatic, gets a CCW permit due to your job, retire and not refile for a CCW.   Reason for no file, was I moved from California to Iowa.     Lot of states do not like a CCW from another state to enter their boundaries.   Iowa is one of them.

You talk about hoops you have to jump through.

4 years after I retired I decided to get a CCW.

They wanted to do all the checks over on me, which was reasonable, but after about $600, I said screw it.     We had about 6 or 7 more checks they wanted to do, I went to high school with the Sheriff, he pulled chains and jumped through some loops for me.   I got disgusted and since the grandkids came over pretty frequently, I had to keep the gun in a locked box anyway, just like I did at home when working.       I sold the gun, about 3 years later I sold the lock box for it.   No muss, no fuss, and momma happy, she no like guns.

To this day, I do not carry a CCW.    All I got left is shotguns, rifles and the like.   They would be worthless in a home robbery, as the shells are all out in the back garage.

[CISE]

Georgia isn't the problem.  It's Fulton county.............their overall bureauracracy for virtually anything involving the average citizen is mind numbing......speeding fines, permits, jury duty, etc. etc. etc.

Forsyth county (just north) I walked in completed a "renewal" form, paid my fee, fingerprinted and left.  Received my renewed CCW in the mail.

Gwinnett county has teh same procedure & process (but finger printing is only available 2/3 days of the week and for less than 8 hours each time.

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Called and left 2 more voice mails

Got a call back Friday afternoon.

Told the calelr the problem.

She told me if I had ahnded in a SAE I would have received notification. I informed her I did. I then asked again if my application was approved.

Yes!

Could they mail it to me?

No!

Could she tell me the date is was issued?

No!

So I'm going to have to make a 50 mile round trip to downtown to then argue about the date of issue and why I'm getting a permit that is already dated due to their inefficency

OR

I may just shut up and take it.

That's the way Govt wins by grinding us down little by little

[Jeff K]

Florida... fill out the forms, write them a check, get a permit in the mail. 

[RP#62]

Arizona - no forms, no fees, you just need a gun.
-RP

[f6gal]

My CCW has been expired for awhile... oh yeah, I don't need it anymore!  Thanks Jan!

“The State of Arizona has long been the home to defenders of personal liberty and the freedoms enshrined and protected by the Constitution of the United States and our State Constitution. I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as Governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution.”  - - Jan Brewer

[fudgie]

My CCW has been expired for awhile... oh yeah, I don't need it anymore!  Thanks Jan!

“The State of Arizona has long been the home to defenders of personal liberty and the freedoms enshrined and protected by the Constitution of the United States and our State Constitution. I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as Governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution.”  - - Jan Brewer

Thats cool but I think it would suck if you had to travel. Esp to States that require a lisc/permit to carry in their State. 

[Varmintmist]

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

That's part of my beef Jeff.

WHY aren't the prints kept on file?

HOW do you hope to keep track of all of us otherwise?

Thats the point. They are not allowed to keep a database of firearm owners. It is against the law TO keep track of all CCW holders.

[musclehead]

I don't want to hear ANY complaints...here in Illinois it doesn't cost us anything....because we can't get a conceal carry.....

there are certain states I wouldn't live in EVER again. Illinois is one of them.

never too late to move bro 

[Chillerman]

You have to get re-fingerprinted because they do not keep your fingerprints on file. They use them to verify your lack of a criminal record then they are disposed of.

That's part of my beef Jeff.

WHY aren't the prints kept on file?

HOW do you hope to keep track of all of us otherwise?

Thats the point. They are not allowed to keep a database of firearm owners. It is against the law TO keep track of all CCW holders.

That's partially true. They are not allowed to keep a database of people owning firearms. They ARE allowed and do keep track of people who have CCW permits. In Colorado your name goes into the CBI (Colorado Bureau of Investigations) database as if you were a criminal. Don't believe for a second that if you have a CCW that they aren't keeping track of you.

[fudgie]

I don't want to hear ANY complaints...here in Illinois it doesn't cost us anything....because we can't get a conceal carry.....

Well you cant open carry either! 

I do say I do CC when I'm there. Not while riding cause I'm more opt to get stopped, but when stopping for the night.

My Utah instructor is from Ill. He carries all the time. He said he will take any conciquences that he may get. He did not survive 2 tours in the sand to come home and be killed on his own soil. 

[amazngrace]

When an officer runs your driver license in Virginia, what comes up is the basic
license info and a notification that you have a CCW permit. Comes up whether
asked for or not.

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[amazngrace]

Also, a warrant check is done automatically.


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