Engine crash damage

[tmfp]

This damaged Valk has come up for sale in the UK, and I have most of the non engine parts stripped from my customised Valks, to bring it bck to useable condition.
I am concerned about the potential cost and extent of the engine damage in the photos.
Has anyone had an experience of repairing this type of damage?

Thanks

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-F6C-Valkrie-1997US-Import-Accident-Damaged-Spares-Repairs-/350546600152?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item519e34a0d8#ht_1998wt_1117

[Blackduck]

Would have to have good look at that head and camshaft, also check the engine hangers for cracks or damage.
Not sure what you pay for a good Valk in England but here in Aus I would not pay that money for something with that damage.
Cheers Steve

[F6BANGER]

Just arrived fresh???   It looks like the bike was sitting around for years before they washed it. Lotsa rust. Personally, I wouldn't touch it. Not for that price.

[garyheskett All 49 x 3 st.louis]

That one picture of the timing belt cover is an expensive one.  The cover is around $500 if I remember correctly.  I had to replace the pulley and the inner cover cover behind the pulley. The timing cover, pulley, and inner cover was $700-$800 if I remember correctly. Of course, those were prices for new parts.  Looks like there are several more parts needed.  If you could find used parts, which would probably be hard to do, it might work. But, new parts and the cost of the bike, doesn't look worthwhile to me.  Good luck.

[ricoman]

the engine is suspect, as noted above-cam damage? & hangers. I am always concerned about internal engine damage from the "sudden stoppage".
don't know the UK market for Valk parts, but there is value in the wheels, bags, rear fender, bits attached to the engine, tank, clutch/brake resevoirs, etc.
see what stuff is selling for - you may make a pound or two parting it out.
I did one and it is a lot of work and time consuming but I got a good return on my $500 investment in a wreck.

[John Schmidt]

I agree with some of the other posts, that bike has been sitting for a time. One thing to remember re. that front cover...it bolts to the front of the engine and when it takes a hit like that will break pieces off the engine case where the bolt enters. Usually at the bottom so look carefully. If you can get it cheap enough, I'd part it out. A windshield just went for $620 USD on ebay so there is money to be made.

[Michvalk]

If that happend on the road, I would assume that the head is junk. Motor still running after the head dashed on the road would bend valves and possibly poke a hole in a piston (or Two). Unless you plan on using that bike for parts for yours, I would pass on that one.

[old2soon]

Just from the little i know the price would have too be WAY LOWER than what they are asking. Knocking off 2/3 or 3/4 of the asking price MIGHT  be more acceptable. If they won't budge-PASS.

[sutterhome]

I would think about it for free, its really toast

[gordonv]

From wrecking my own IS, and looking over those pictures supplied.

Engine is gone, figure a new one - $1000 USD
Exhuast pipes are gone - $200 +
Any damage to the front fender/forks, figure a whole new front end - $600 +

I noticed the RH swing arm pivot bolt missing, WHY????

RH bag scratched, and the RH rear turn signal offset (broken?).

I would say the price to fix this bike is more than it would cost to buy a used one and ship it over seas to you. Why would you want to fix a rebuilt bike for more than a clean titled one?

Want to part it out? I ended up paying $1500 CAD for my front end damaged IS, and more than recovered my costs. But the damage was limited to the impact, not down the whole lenght of the bike, like this one looks like.

$500 pounds, maybe, but I would let it pass. Might change my mind if I could look it over and confirm what I saw.

[Jeff K]

From My experiences of buying wrecked Valks.

The swing arm bolt isn't missing, the cap is.
The damage to the cam pulley more than likely also drove the cam through the towers and broke them.
Everything on the front end is junk.

The salvageable parts I can see from the pics are
Rear wheel and final drive.
Short block of the motor, and possibly the left head
One bag looks good, one looks salvageable.
Carbs

I've bought wrecks in better shape for $1500 US

[RainMaker]

Anyone have software to do a search on the VIN number and find the previous owner?  I tried publicdata but it only checks certain states DMVs.  These came back with no matches.
   
Colorado DMV
Iowa DMV
Minnesota DMV
Mississippi DMV
Nebraska DMV
North Carolina DMV
Texas DMV
West Virginia DMV
Wisconsin DMV
Wisconsin DMV [Used]
Wyoming DMV

[RP#62]

whats the VIN?
-RP

[Mickmanchester]

whats the VIN?
-RP

1HFSC3433VA001334

[gordonv]

Just looked it over again. I don't see the groves in the pivot bolt for a allen head, looks round, but I could be wrong.

But I did notice that the foot brake lever is toast, and then the RH side of the gas tank is dented.

I feel that you must look at worse case for that motor, and it will need to be replaced.

If you're lucky, you might be able to get all the parts for less that I suggested, but you have to plane for the worse, and price for the most expensive.

[Donald]

Just a quick note:
The owner would have to pay me to move his junk, that is a write off, the frame and mounts are probably all cracked, strip it and flog parts. In order to damage the front end of the engine that bad, it has a bunch of "downstream"  damage.
Save your time and money, move on.

[RP#62]

Sorry Mick, I don't have anything on it.  The only thing I can see is from the S/N range, its probably green and creme, but you probably know that.
-RP

[tmfp]

Thanks for all your replies, guys, very interesting stuff you have come up with.

A clean stock 97 will sell for £5000 in the UK, so there's about a £3000 budget for repair and profit.
I have the majority of the bits needed, forks, tinware, exhausts etc. from my 97 that I've been customizing over the winter.
The market for Valk parts is a strange one in the UK, only a handful of Valks here compared to the US and, of course, unless you're lucky, it's cheap when you want to sell and dear when you want to buy. 

I agree with posters who say that the engine should be regarded as toast for worst possible case scenario. The only one I have seen recently is this, at £2200, from the same source as the bike.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-F6C-Valkyrie-2000-Custom-Trike-Car-Project-Special-Complete-Engine-/350541814207?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item519deb99bf#ht_2747wt_1117

The sums don't add up at that money (although there would be some parts duplicated that could be sold), the only alternative would be importing one from the US, with freight and taxes to be taken into account.
This would not only be expensive but create difficulties as this bike is not registered in the UK (with that sort of damage it would have been written off and not be allowed to be sold without the headstock and numbers cut off). A different numbered engine would probably add to bureaucratic problems with the re-registration, which couldn't be done without the bike running.

All in all, I'll pass, certainly at £2000 (it now has a bid at that) bearing in mind the fact that it is being sold by a breaker anyway, I would have taken a flyer at £1000, but no more.

Thanks again for the input, and if anyone has a Valk in the UK in this sort of condition, without the engine damage, I'd be interested in a call.

 

 

[Jeff K]

It would need more than forks. I would be 99% sure the frame neck is bent.