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Snyder signs repeal of Michigan's motorcycle helmet law By The Detroit News  Motorcyclists 21 and older will no longer have to wear a helmet if they meet certain training or experience requirements, and carry a $20,000 policy. (David Coates / The Detroit News) Lansing— Motorcycle riders for years have pushed for repeal of the state's helmet law and they finally got the green light from Gov. Rick Snyder. Snyder signed a repeal of the state’s helmet law Thursday, and the governor’s office announced the signing Friday morning. “While many motorcyclists will continue to wear helmets, those who choose not to deserve the latitude to make their own informed judgments as long as they meet the requirements of this new law,” Snyder said in a release. “There is no substitute for proper training, education and awareness when it comes to operating any motor vehicle. “We must continue working together to keep our roads safe by making sure that everyone who gets behind the wheel of a car or on a motorcycle has the proper skills. Traffic safety is a responsibility shared by all motorists.” Motorcyclists 21 and older will no longer have to wear a helmet if they meet certain training or experience requirements, and carry a $20,000 policy. Michigan's mandatory motorcycle helmet requirement was repealed by the Legislature earlier this month. The governor has until Monday to sign or veto the bill; if he did nothing, it would have automatically become law. Snyder last year said he would consider repealing the helmet requirement only as part of broad no-fault auto insurance reform, which the Legislature has not delivered. From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120413/POLITICS02/204130397#ixzz1rvYNREgMhttp://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120413/POLITICS02/204130397 |
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 07:44:57 AM » |
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Sounds like a step in the right direction... BUT... How is it determined that a rider, cruzin' down the road, without a helmet, has the 'training', and a $20K policy? Is that something that would come up, say if stopped for another infraction (speeding), or are riders subject to 'spot checks'? Just wunderin'  Black Dog |
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 07:55:48 AM » |
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That is how it's written in several states, I've had no trouble in any of them.Thank you Governor Snyder.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 08:09:36 AM » |
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Lets not jump the gun MI riders.
There is a 20K accident/injury requirement stipulation attached. Before you take a ride without your skid lid, you'd better check with your insurance agent to be sure that it is suffient and meets the states criteria.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 08:36:10 AM » |
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I heard that was moving through Lansing.
Being an avid member of ABATE, I do believe in the freedom of choice.
However, I will probably be 'choosing' to have one on my dome.
After sliding down 'The Mother-Road' last season, I've seen firsthand the benefits of good riding gear...
Picked the Big Girl up & put another 5000 miles on the her that trip.
y'all know the old saying ...
"there's 2 kinds of bikers... those that have gone down & those that are going down."
(You don't believe it'll be you until it's your butt on the ground).
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 08:55:48 AM » |
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Well, I am all for choice.... but, I won't ride with out (in the been down, Done that club)......My choice.
Lets just see what happens to my insurance rates over the next several months... ???
I have full coverage already and should/do meet the $20K....
In other states.. do they make all riders carry the extra coverage? Or can you opt out?
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 09:21:45 AM » |
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You can bet your ASS that the insurance industry is going to try to raise rates.
However here in MI, they must show "just cause" to increase rates.
The modification of the helmet law does not mean that your current policy will be "legal" as of today if you choose to go helmetless.
Err on the side of caution, and check if your policy covers your "freedom of choice".
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 11:40:22 AM » |
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Mea culpa: I didn't read the linked articles, but what are the "training or experience requirements?"
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 11:42:16 AM » |
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Decided not to be so cursed lazy. I answered my own question:
"Motorcyclists can forgo a helmet if they are at least 21 years old, carry at least an additional $20,000 in medical insurance and have either passed a motorcycle safety course or had their motorcycle endorsement for at least two years. Passengers also must be 21 or older to go helmetless, and there has to be an additional $20,000 in insurance for the passenger, bought either by the passenger or the motorcycle driver."
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 12:10:19 PM » |
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Cool. Mel and I would have still worn our helmets to Inzane last year no matter what the law. But, it would have been nice to leave em at the motel when riding down to wash the bike or grab a meal just as we sometimes do at home.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 12:13:03 PM » |
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in Fl. we are required to carry $10,000 in insurance, if riding without a helmet. any medical insurance qualifies. also the insurance companies offer this optional rider for your bike. mine cost an extra $23.00 a year.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 02:08:49 PM » |
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It said the law goes into effect Immediately.... You dont have to have proof of either 2 years of endorsement or extra insurance coverage....... I wonder if I got on the bike now and tooled around the Detroit area how long it would take me to get pulled over...... :  Brad |
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 04:27:06 PM » |
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now to get them to repeal that seat belt law.... (i know, that's another argument  ) |
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 06:00:12 PM » |
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Well, I am all for choice.... but, I won't ride with out a helmet......My wife's choice. She overrides the law and my insurance company!  |
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 06:02:50 PM » |
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y'all know the old saying ...
"there's 2 kinds of bikers... those that have gone down & those that are going down."
(You don't believe it'll be you until it's your butt on the ground).
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I could amend that saying from first hand experience. There are 2 kinds of bikers; those who have flown over their handlebars in excess of 45mph and those who haven't. I wasn't wearing a helmet and lived to ride again. But now I wear one...my choice. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2012, 07:03:01 PM » |
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I might be the only one...
I wear a helmet now and then
My wife?
She only wears a helmet when the law requires it.
she will plan our route based on states without helmet laws.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2012, 07:44:41 PM » |
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Texas is the same way,
Over 21, 10K of savings, or min 10K medical insurance, or file a form and send 15 bucks to the state and they will send you a sticker for your liscene plate that is good for 3 yrs.
They do not stop you to check for your coverage, but if you are stopped for OTHER reasons and are helmetless, you will have to show current medical insurance or point to the sticker. Not sure how you prove you have the 10K in the bank.
Least that was the set-up in place when I left last year!
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2012, 01:51:30 AM » |
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Decided not to be so cursed lazy. I answered my own question:
"Motorcyclists can forgo a helmet if they are at least 21 years old, carry at least an additional $20,000 in medical insurance and have either passed a motorcycle safety course or had their motorcycle endorsement for at least two years. Passengers also must be 21 or older to go helmetless, and there has to be an additional $20,000 in insurance for the passenger, bought either by the passenger or the motorcycle driver."
let me get this right? you have to pay for the right to go helmetless at the cost of a 40,000 dollar pollicy for you and your pasenger?......................you guys can keep that victory. paynying to ride helmetless is just like paying for split tail |
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2012, 01:54:13 AM » |
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Cool. Mel and I would have still worn our helmets to Inzane last year no matter what the law. But, it would have been nice to leave em at the motel when riding down to wash the bike or grab a meal just as we sometimes do at home.
yea right, most of the accidents happen within a quarter mile of your domicile how does that saying go Willow? about exceffive comfort and weekness? |
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2012, 05:45:53 AM » |
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paynying to ride helmetless is just like paying for split tail
We all pay for it one way or another?  |
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2012, 05:48:55 AM » |
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So when does this take place? Can I ride lidless to the Q in Da Woods? Boy this is good news! Not sure what my coverage is. Guess MI wont either unless I get pulled over. |
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2012, 06:46:42 AM » |
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This part is ridiculous. WTF is 20k insurance going to do when you crack your melon open? With today's health care costs, that's about a ride halfway to the ER, a bandaid and a couple of aspirin. I don't care about the law anyway, I'm smart enough not to ride without a helmet. Flame away! |
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 08:58:51 AM » |
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This part is ridiculous. WTF is 20k insurance going to do when you crack your melon open? With today's health care costs, that's about a ride halfway to the ER, a bandaid and a couple of aspirin. I don't care about the law anyway, I'm smart enough not to ride without a helmet. Flame away! They dont give ASA for head injuries.  |
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2012, 09:58:28 AM » |
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2012, 01:08:09 PM » |
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That's what it's all about respect and choice. I will wear mine because that is my choice. Everyone should be able meet the insurance requirement, 20 grand isn't much coverage and should have that anyway. I think saying you are paying to ride without a helmet is a stretch. In Michigan you can't get your cycle endorsement without the MC safty class or the experience one or the other. This is a win for all the riders and business in this great state. Come up and ride and please spend some money.
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 02:48:11 PM » |
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paynying to ride helmetless is just like paying for split tail
We all pay for it one way or another? I don't have to pay extra for my insurance, I have medical at work. I believe it was Charlie Haper on "Two and a Half Men" that said, Sometimes it is cheaper to pay for the pro. |
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2012, 09:46:02 PM » |
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Congrats to all the MI. riders. Now at least you can choose which way you want to go. We have a similar law in Fl. and depending the ride I may choose to not where it. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 02:02:43 AM » |
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This part is ridiculous. WTF is 20k insurance going to do when you crack your melon open? With today's health care costs, that's about a ride halfway to the ER, a bandaid and a couple of aspirin. I don't care about the law anyway, I'm smart enough not to ride without a helmet. Flame away! i know some pretty well educated people that do stupid things "can we say engineers?" look at all the smart people that voted for Obama, now tell me that wasnt stupid. it doesnt matter if you went to MIT or how thick your sheepskin is...........its about common sence. just becase you feel its right for you dont mean its right for others. |
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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2012, 02:06:58 AM » |
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ok saftey and education................let me ask all of you "old timers" this............
when you got your first motorcycle lic. did you have to take a saftey corse mandated by the state to get your lic.?
and your still here to talk about it
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2012, 04:44:35 AM » |
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ok saftey and education................let me ask all of you "old timers" this............
when you got your first motorcycle lic. did you have to take a saftey corse mandated by the state to get your lic.?
and your still here to talk about it
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2012, 05:12:25 AM » |
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When I started riding, there was no such thing as any kind of protective helmet. Neither was there any laws concerning helmets or special endorsement for riding a motorcycle. I rode back then with goggles and a "Snoopy' aviator cap.
However, I did need to have a valid drivers license to ride my Whizzer motorbike. Today, in Indiana, no license is needed to ride a moped and helmets are not required for older motorcyclists.
I do have a kinda personal opinion about requiring proof of insurance when riding without a helmet in some states. This is a tacit acknowledgment that riding motorcycles is dangerous and we must be forced to pay for injuries to ourselves. I can see why but to me, it's just another form of government harassment.
At any rate, I wear a helmet all of the time and don't need to be concerned as to what state I'm in.
For what it's worth, it's easier for an LEO to check for helmet wearing than it is for seat belt wearing. Yet, no one seems to complain too much about the seat belt laws, maybe they just don't buckle up.
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2012, 08:04:07 AM » |
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No one has ever "made" me wear a helmet
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2012, 09:40:44 AM » |
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I know I can wear my helmet more comfortably when I know that the government isn't the one who strapped it on my head.
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2012, 01:37:31 AM » |
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No one has ever "made" me wear a helmet
thats your choice.......... dont square off and try to pick a fight |
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2012, 01:38:28 AM » |
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I know I can wear my helmet more comfortably when I know that the government isn't the one who strapped it on my head.
that still dont answer the question |
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2012, 04:01:17 AM » |
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No one has ever "made" me wear a helmet
thats your choice.......... dont square off and try to pick a fight That's my point. It's always been my choice, regardless of what the law said |
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2012, 12:13:56 PM » |
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I am with you Romeo! As one of my fellow riders helmet says, "Stupid Hurts". He's an MSF Instructor, actually he's the instructors instructor. |
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ok saftey and education................let me ask all of you "old timers" this............
when you got your first motorcycle lic. did you have to take a saftey corse mandated by the state to get your lic.?
and your still here to talk about it
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