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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 07:31:40 PM » |
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Until we take back our country, our rights don't matter - not to this administration - at every level.
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I never trust video that's been cut like that.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 03:28:58 AM » |
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I agree saying "when you scare me your rights don't matter" is bothersome.
However more bothersome is someone who will not let the person they are interviewing say anything to explain why they said it.
He did indicate he was trying to let her know that he was concerned that the open carry would cause problems for the gathering in public perception.
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OC'ers know their rights more the the Leo's do.
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Hate to tell y'all this but that officer is NOT a law enforcement officer. He's a security guard. Read the logo on his shirt. The seal is wrong and the block where a badge number would be had "INC"
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 04:48:05 AM » |
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I never trust video that's been cut like that.
Glad I'm not married to her.
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Hate to tell y'all this but that officer is NOT a law enforcement officer. He's a security guard. Read the logo on his shirt. The seal is wrong and the block where a badge number would be had "INC"
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 05:19:29 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 05:25:45 AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 05:27:42 AM » |
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She should shut up long enough to listen she might understand what he was saying. Hate people like her. She may have the right to carry but if someone else is frightened they may take her out. I think that was what he was trying to say.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 05:35:15 AM » |
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"Not the kind of statement you want to here at a Tea Party!!"
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That guy must have been a LEO - no one else would have the patience to put up with her verbal assault. Sounds like she took his comment out of context but we'll never know since she was too concerned with beating the guy to death with her mouth instead of having a discussion.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 05:55:43 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 06:01:22 AM » |
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It's not the folks who openly carry that we should be concerned with. These folks are proud of, and cherish, the right to LEGALLY do so. It's those who carry concealed, that may NOT be legally carrying.
If the weapon is visible, I now have the right to decide what I want for me or mine. I can now choose, based on the visual, whether to stay for the function, or leave. But if the weapon is concealed, I don't have that choice.
Big fan of open carry, not so much for concealed carry. I think concealed should be reserved for law enforcement. Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 06:03:32 AM » |
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"Not the kind of statement you want to here at a Tea Party!!"
brilliant.
That guy must have been a LEO - no one else would have the patience to put up with her verbal assault. Sounds like she took his comment out of context but we'll never know since she was too concerned with beating the guy to death with her mouth instead of having a discussion.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 07:17:51 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 07:26:39 AM » |
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cursed if you do, cursed if you don't situation.
Been through it thousands of times.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 07:29:31 AM » |
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cursed if you do, cursed if you don't situation.
Been through it thousands of times.
... and people wonder why LEOs have attitudes sometimes.
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I know you. You're one of the good ones, but have you ever gotten direction from above that you couldn't agree with?
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2012, 07:48:01 AM » |
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It has been my experience that the majority of people who carry concealed "legally" are carrying for self protection only and prefer to avoid confrontation.
It has also been my experience that the majority of those who carry openly are looking for and hoping for a fight. The woman in this video was carrying an unloaded handgun openly. Why? Obviously she wanted to get in someone's face just as she did.
I believe the man in the security uniform, whether off duty LEO or not, exercised a lot of self control and handled the situation in a very professional manner.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 08:12:55 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 08:37:40 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
Tea Party ralliers are often carrying - they're exercising their 2nd Amendment, along with others. Which is why liberals call them nutjobs. that is what liberals think? If you use the rights granted to you by the constitution, that makes you a "nutjob"? Probably a lot do think that way. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 08:42:18 AM » |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
Tea Party ralliers are often carrying - they're exercising their 2nd Amendment, along with others. Which is why liberals call them nutjobs. that is what liberals think? If you use the rights granted to you by the constitution, that makes you a "nutjob"? Probably a lot do think that way. The liberals don't know what rights are granted to them by the Constitution, so they think anyone that does things they don't like or understand (like open - or even concealed - carry) is a nutjob, and because they don't know their rights, they don't kwow when they're giving them away. |
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It has also been my experience that the majority of those who carry openly are looking for and hoping for a fight. The woman in this video was carrying an unloaded handgun openly. Why? Obviously she wanted to get in someone's face just as she did. And get people on the internet to behave like reactionary ding-dongs. |
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Until we take back our country, our rights don't matter - not to this administration - at every level.
Do You know it was under W. that the patriot act negated nearly all your rights? And, do you know that under Obama, not only has he kept all those, he has EXPANDED what the gov't can do? MP |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2012, 10:12:38 AM » |
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Until we take back our country, our rights don't matter - not to this administration - at every level.
Do You know it was under W. that the patriot act negated nearly all your rights? I am aware that the patriot act was passed under President George W. Bush, and I didn't single out any single political party or elected official - they're all undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights and need to be replaced. That's why I said administration at every level. |
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2012, 10:42:31 AM » |
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Hate to tell y'all this but that officer is NOT a law enforcement officer. He's a security guard. Read the logo on his shirt. The seal is wrong and the block where a badge number would be had "INC"
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Until we take back our country, our rights don't matter - not to this administration - at every level.
Do You know it was under W. that the patriot act negated nearly all your rights? I am aware that the patriot act was passed under President George W. Bush, and I didn't single out any single political party or elected official - they're all undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights and need to be replaced. That's why I said administration at every level. By saying this administration. I would say you are most certainly singling out one party. ??? |
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It was obviously a poor choice of words by the officer. But his patience with an immensely obnoxious interviewer was amazing. I was having coffee with a friend and new LEO recently and I asked him some questions about their training. Specifically, I asked him if they emphasized that their most important job is to protect and uphold our Constitution? He said "no".  |
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It was obviously a poor choice of words by the officer. But his patience with an immensely obnoxious interviewer was amazing. I was having coffee with a friend and new LEO recently and I asked him some questions about their training. Specifically, I asked him if they emphasized that their most important job is to protect and uphold our Constitution? He said "no". Print this and put it in his hands. http://www.markmccoy.com/images/The%20Proper%20Role%20of%20Law%20Enforcement.pdf |
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Until we take back our country, our rights don't matter - not to this administration - at every level.
Do You know it was under W. that the patriot act negated nearly all your rights? I am aware that the patriot act was passed under President George W. Bush, and I didn't single out any single political party or elected official - they're all undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights and need to be replaced. That's why I said administration at every level. By saying this administration. I would say you are most certainly singling out one party. ??? I understand your interpretation. "This administration" just continued to slide down the slippery path all the ones before it were already on. |
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There was only one candidate running for the office of president who would not have continued down the road of disappearing freedoms. His name was Ron Paul, and we blew it. Now, it's just a matter of voting for who is least likely to take the freedoms dearest to your individual heart. I always vote the 2'nd amendment first, and will again. I'd really like to get the chance before I die of voting for someone I really believe in though. |
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Although, his statement may be incorrect or poorly worded, I agree she should not been "strapped" during a rally. I have no problem with open or concealed carry but I, too, would not be comfortable with an open firearm in a large group of people protesting anything. There is a time and a place and this was not it.
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It has been my experience that the majority of people who carry concealed "legally" are carrying for self protection only and prefer to avoid confrontation.
It has also been my experience that the majority of those who carry openly are looking for and hoping for a fight. The woman in this video was carrying an unloaded handgun openly. Why? Obviously she wanted to get in someone's face just as she did.
I believe the man in the security uniform, whether off duty LEO or not, exercised a lot of self control and handled the situation in a very professional manner.
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Some States you can only OC a firearm if it is unloaded. Such as Cali. I believe this is where the video was shot. Esp judging by the palm trees. I OC and am not looking for a fight. I oced a hour ago. I wasnt looking for a fight, I was looking for the laundry detergant.  |
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There was only one candidate running for the office of president who would not have continued down the road of disappearing freedoms. His name was Ron Paul, and we blew it. Or he might have just done exactly what every other elected official does. In fact, the historical evidence is overwhelming that this is exactly what would have happened so don't beat yourself up over it. |
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