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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2012, 07:49:50 PM » |
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Well there was the mailer they sent out in NH when my mother was running for state rep saying that she was anti-2nd Amendment. She's firmly pro-2nd Amendment and owns guns and has a CCW permit. When pressed for info as to why they blacklisted her the guy told me; "well she has a D next to her name and isn't an NRA member so we assumed she wasn't with us". She won anyway.
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I understand why you're pissed. When a politician has the courage to go against mindless party dogma they need to receive proper recognition. That is troubling and truly regrettable.
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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2012, 04:50:00 AM » |
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You're citing Media Matter and the Daily Kos as sources of objective journalistic criticism? Now that's funny! It's like having the KKK evaluate the NAACP.  If you read the whole thread, you would see that you totally missed my point. I wasn't suggesting that media matters is objective, I was using the stories to demonstrate that FauxNews was biased while claiming to be "fair & balanced". The media matters link shows a screen cap. from Fox where they had manipulated a photo, the daily kos links to independent research showing that FauxNews routinely misleads viewers. Again, my point wasn't that there isn't liberal bias, but that FauxNews is far from being "fair & balanced" To borrow from your analogy, what I was attempting to do is use sources provided by the NAACP to prove that the KKK is racist. Not acknowledging that FauxNews is inherently biased is drinking from the same "kool-aid" that Mark had suggested I was into. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just tired of hearing about how accurate, fair, balanced, and patriotic Fox is, and anybody that disagrees with anything they say must be a socialist/communist/un-american dirty hippy, etc... jj Your contention was, " FauxNews consistently lies to its viewers under the guise of "fair" reporting." That statement goes well beyond "inherent bias". And since you claim not to watch it, I would think it difficult to judge its content. I don't watch Faux, however, my parents do, so I regularly get "reports" from them about things they saw on FauxNews. Also, there are links and reports that I see in my day to day browsing. Also, as I said before, there have been multiple studies that show the bias that FauxNews has, including the one that I shared yesterday that said that FauxNews viewers are more likely to believe something (political) that is false than viewers of other networks. It is hard for me to understand why people continue to trust Fox after reports like that. Examples--There was an anchor that said "hundreds of thousands" or scientists reject climate change theories. The facts--approx 97% of climate change scientists agree with climate change. --Bill O'Reilly blamed President Obama for high gas prices recently, but in 2008, he said Bush had no control of Gas prices. do a youtube search for Bill O'Reilly gas prices. There are videos of BOTH of these reports. Again, I'm not saying that FauxNews is the ONLY biased media, just that they are the only one that claims to be un-biased while being biased... |
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2012, 05:02:03 AM » |
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I watch Fox News and ABC news and very few others. One thing you have to understand about Fox. They have segments that are NOT news pieces. Bill O'Rielly is not a reporter he has his own show, like Glenn Beck did.....they are not the news. You have to seperate the two. Its disingenuous to say Fox is bias in their their reporting and quote Bill to back it up.......apples and oranges
I dont watch Bill...his "no spin zone" is pretty funny sometimes.........but its NOT news
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2012, 05:19:20 AM » |
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I watch Fox News and ABC news and very few others. One thing you have to understand about Fox. They have segments that are NOT news pieces. Bill O'Rielly is not a reporter he has his own show, like Glenn Beck did.....they are not the news. You have to seperate the two. Its disingenuous to say Fox is bias in their their reporting and quote Bill to back it up.......apples and oranges
I dont watch Bill...his "no spin zone" is pretty funny sometimes.........but its NOT news
Chris--I'll accept that, but I would venture to say that you and I are more reasonable than other Fox viewers. However, it is still an example of bias from Fox, because Bill O'Reilly could have "manned up" and said "gas prices are high, its not Obamas fault, drive less or get over it" Which is essentially what he said when Bush was in office. Bottom line, Faux is biased in the "news" portion and "opinion" pieces. |
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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2012, 05:32:49 AM » |
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I don't understand the mentality of telling Anvil he should quit the NRA. Why can't two members of the NRA disagree on some points, and still support the same overall cause? "You are either with us or against us"Huh? That is the biggest problem I have with the FauxNews crowd, you have to reduce everything to absolutes, and life is not that simple. I don't know where Anvil falls on the political spectrum, but I respect his viewpoint just and much as anybody elses, and would never suggest that he has to agree with every member of the NRA 100% of the time or he should quite. Thats just plain silly. Why does it have to come down to absolutes like "for or against"? Couldn't we agree to disagree on certain points, and still both agree with the overall goals of the NRA? When it comes to gun control there is no middle ground. The reason I say that is that weather you care for one type of gun but not another you might not care if that type is banned. I DO because if you give them an inch they will take a mile. If we let them ban one type of gun they will go after the others in due time. The antigunners want to ban ALL guns, Period. George Soros is the worst. If he succeeds in convincing enough people to go his way if could happen. The NRA is very instrumental in insuring that it does not happen.... The overall goal of the NRA is to protect our gun rights. Not just the rights to own certain guns but ALL guns. So I stand behind what I said. "If you don't stand with us you stand against us". So there is no gray area in gun control? REally? So you don't have a problem with selling guns to convicted child molesters living near schools? What about rapists living just down the street from you or your children? What about ex-convicts being able to buy a gun the day they get out of prison? I suppose you think that would be fine? What about teenagers? If its okay for a 15year old to buy a gun, why not allow 8 year olds to buy a gun without parents permission? Lets open the floodgates! No waiting periods, no rules, regulations, or restrictions of any kind. Guns in a school zone? sure, why not?!?! Machine guns mounted on cars and bikes?? sounds pretty awesome to me! Why stop at guns? I want a roof mounted rocket launcher on my wifes car, just in case. in fact, why can't I buy a fully functional sherman tank for my wife to drive to work? it would be a heck of a lot safer. Bottom line---There are gray areas in ANY issue as significant as gun control, and anyone that doesn't agree with that really needs to re-evaluate their position. In hind sight, it would be pretty cool to have an automatic weapon mounted on my I/S, and I would love to have a sherman tank. Just sayin' jj |
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« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2012, 05:56:25 AM » |
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So there is no gray area in gun control? REally? So you don't have a problem with selling guns to convicted child molesters living near schools? What about rapists living just down the street from you or your children? What about ex-convicts being able to buy a gun the day they get out of prison? I suppose you think that would be fine? What about teenagers? If its okay for a 15year old to buy a gun, why not allow 8 year olds to buy a gun without parents permission? Lets open the floodgates! No waiting periods, no rules, regulations, or restrictions of any kind. Guns in a school zone? sure, why not?!?! Machine guns mounted on cars and bikes?? sounds pretty awesome to me! Why stop at guns? I want a roof mounted rocket launcher on my wifes car, just in case. in fact, why can't I buy a fully functional sherman tank for my wife to drive to work? it would be a heck of a lot safer. Bottom line---There are gray areas in ANY issue as significant as gun control, and anyone that doesn't agree with that really needs to re-evaluate their position. In hind sight, it would be pretty cool to have an automatic weapon mounted on my I/S, and I would love to have a sherman tank. Just sayin' Quote You have just shown either ignorance, misinformation, bias, or a combination of all three. No, there are no grey area in the gum ownership. All of the things that you mentioned are illegal under Federal law. Your point borders on the ridiculous! As an 84 year old that has been around the block a few more times than you, I resent your bias but that is your right. However, the above quote from you is, to use your fancy term, FAUX! We do have many laws governing control of guns,and yes, some are illegal under the 2nd Amendment. On another thing, I resent your statement that most FOX news viewers are not as reasonable as you. I very seldom get pissed off on this forum but I think that you better hold some of your OPINIONS in check. Why don't you go riding instead of trying to debate and debate with people of opposite views on this forum. I went riding yesterday and it did me good. No, i won't enter into further discussions on this subject. You can consider yourself a winner as I'm bowing out.  Wayne, SOLO1 |
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« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2012, 06:21:08 AM » |
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So there is no gray area in gun control? REally? So you don't have a problem with selling guns to convicted child molesters living near schools? What about rapists living just down the street from you or your children? What about ex-convicts being able to buy a gun the day they get out of prison? I suppose you think that would be fine? What about teenagers? If its okay for a 15year old to buy a gun, why not allow 8 year olds to buy a gun without parents permission? Lets open the floodgates! No waiting periods, no rules, regulations, or restrictions of any kind. Guns in a school zone? sure, why not?!?! Machine guns mounted on cars and bikes?? sounds pretty awesome to me! Why stop at guns? I want a roof mounted rocket launcher on my wifes car, just in case. in fact, why can't I buy a fully functional sherman tank for my wife to drive to work? it would be a heck of a lot safer. Bottom line---There are gray areas in ANY issue as significant as gun control, and anyone that doesn't agree with that really needs to re-evaluate their position. In hind sight, it would be pretty cool to have an automatic weapon mounted on my I/S, and I would love to have a sherman tank. Just sayin' Quote You have just shown either ignorance, misinformation, bias, or a combination of all three. No, there are no grey area in the gum ownership. All of the things that you mentioned are illegal under Federal law. Your point borders on the ridiculous! As an 84 year old that has been around the block a few more times than you, I resent your bias but that is your right. However, the above quote from you is, to use your fancy term, FAUX! We do have many laws governing control of guns,and yes, some are illegal under the 2nd Amendment. On another thing, I resent your statement that most FOX news viewers are not as reasonable as you. I very seldom get pissed off on this forum but I think that you better hold some of your OPINIONS in check. Why don't you go riding instead of trying to debate and debate with people of opposite views on this forum. I went riding yesterday and it did me good. No, i won't enter into further discussions on this subject. You can consider yourself a winner as I'm bowing out. Wayne, SOLO1 Wayne-- I apologize if I offended you, it certainly wasn't my intention. I realize that the topics that I mentioned are covered by current federal law, and in fact, the was my point. At some point in the past, lawmakers had to debate these "gray areas", correct? That was the point I was attempting to make, that there have been, and always will be areas of gun control, gun ownership, etc. that are more complex than simply black or white. Hope you had a great ride! |
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« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2012, 06:36:22 AM » |
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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2012, 07:31:28 AM » |
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You're citing Media Matter and the Daily Kos as sources of objective journalistic criticism? Now that's funny! It's like having the KKK evaluate the NAACP. If you read the whole thread, you would see that you totally missed my point. I wasn't suggesting that media matters is objective, I was using the stories to demonstrate that FauxNews was biased while claiming to be "fair & balanced". The media matters link shows a screen cap. from Fox where they had manipulated a photo, the daily kos links to independent research showing that FauxNews routinely misleads viewers. Again, my point wasn't that there isn't liberal bias, but that FauxNews is far from being "fair & balanced" To borrow from your analogy, what I was attempting to do is use sources provided by the NAACP to prove that the KKK is racist. Not acknowledging that FauxNews is inherently biased is drinking from the same "kool-aid" that Mark had suggested I was into. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just tired of hearing about how accurate, fair, balanced, and patriotic Fox is, and anybody that disagrees with anything they say must be a socialist/communist/un-american dirty hippy, etc... jj Your contention was, " FauxNews consistently lies to its viewers under the guise of "fair" reporting." That statement goes well beyond "inherent bias". And since you claim not to watch it, I would think it difficult to judge its content. I don't watch Faux, however, my parents do, so I regularly get "reports" from them about things they saw on FauxNews. Also, there are links and reports that I see in my day to day browsing. Also, as I said before, there have been multiple studies that show the bias that FauxNews has, including the one that I shared yesterday that said that FauxNews viewers are more likely to believe something (political) that is false than viewers of other networks. It is hard for me to understand why people continue to trust Fox after reports like that. Examples--There was an anchor that said "hundreds of thousands" or scientists reject climate change theories. The facts--approx 97% of climate change scientists agree with climate change. --Bill O'Reilly blamed President Obama for high gas prices recently, but in 2008, he said Bush had no control of Gas prices. do a youtube search for Bill O'Reilly gas prices. There are videos of BOTH of these reports. Again, I'm not saying that FauxNews is the ONLY biased media, just that they are the only one that claims to be un-biased while being biased... O'Reilly (admits on the air) that his show is an OPINION show, not hard news. He recommends watching Shepard Smith for hard news. Compared to Hannity, Olberman, Beck, Maddow, Shultz, or Sharpton, he is relatively balanced, but openly admits to being conservative. If you actually watched his program you would find that on most topics he has guests with opposing views. I'm not saying Fox isn't biased to the right. But I contest your contention that they consistently LIE. Having a point of view differing from your own doesn't necessarily constitute a lie. Well meaning and honest people can interpret information differently. If you are going to accuse an entity of lying you should at least make that judgement on your own and not rely on 7 year old the opinions of others. Even though it sometimes makes my head explode, I consistently watch MSMBC to get a diversity of opinion and make my own judgements. Since you brought it up, the Obama administration's policies toward drilling permits, the Keystone pipeline, coal, and the monetizing of debt have all contributed to the increase oil prices. Say what you will about George Bush, but he didn't put up road blocks to the production of energy. That would explain the contradiction. |
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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2012, 07:41:44 AM » |
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You're citing Media Matter and the Daily Kos as sources of objective journalistic criticism? Now that's funny! It's like having the KKK evaluate the NAACP. If you read the whole thread, you would see that you totally missed my point. I wasn't suggesting that media matters is objective, I was using the stories to demonstrate that FauxNews was biased while claiming to be "fair & balanced". The media matters link shows a screen cap. from Fox where they had manipulated a photo, the daily kos links to independent research showing that FauxNews routinely misleads viewers. Again, my point wasn't that there isn't liberal bias, but that FauxNews is far from being "fair & balanced" To borrow from your analogy, what I was attempting to do is use sources provided by the NAACP to prove that the KKK is racist. Not acknowledging that FauxNews is inherently biased is drinking from the same "kool-aid" that Mark had suggested I was into. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just tired of hearing about how accurate, fair, balanced, and patriotic Fox is, and anybody that disagrees with anything they say must be a socialist/communist/un-american dirty hippy, etc... jj Your contention was, " FauxNews consistently lies to its viewers under the guise of "fair" reporting." That statement goes well beyond "inherent bias". And since you claim not to watch it, I would think it difficult to judge its content. Every news organization he frequents watches FOX for him, so he doesn't have to.  |
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