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Thanks all... Lesson taken to heart. Yea no claim, I'm going to order the parts when convenient. I was at the Honda dealer yesterday and they wanted quite abit more then ordering online. So I will order from HDParts when I can. I did get a fin scratch on the tank and the only way that it would have got there was from my RFID card key around my neck but I think that it can be buffed out.
The engine guard did it's job very well but was the victim since it has to be replaced. All of the scratches on the exhaust cover are on the bottom and can't be seen unless looking underneath or at the 2 foot level. It didn't help that I laid her down on a exposed agrugate rock concrete walkway instead of brushed concrete which was only 2 feet away.
I will take the suggestion to heart, and it sounds like the best suggestion is to not use the lock at all, but I will always turn the bars to center prior to taking off from my work area or any area for that matter. CONSTRUCTIVE crictism and suggesstions are great. Live(ride) and learn.
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Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to suggest to Honda that the steering lock ought to be electrically wired in the same manner as the side stand. If the bike's engine is running, transmission in neutral, side stand down, the warning light on the rev-counter is illuminated; engage the transmission and the engine is cut off immediately. Should be the same with the steering lock. Just my $0.02.
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ZuluDiver, Maybe, I'm afraid now that have opened a Pandora's box and am not sure of how to proceed. Maybe I will contact Honda I will have to do some research on the best way to go about that.
Robert, Yes I have looked at Pinwall, but I'm going to have to go with new. It is kinda of funny as they have a engine guard that minds kinda look like, but not as severe, and my damage is much lower on the guard. Also they don't seem to have exhaust covers in good condition so rather then take a gamble I'm going to spend the $311. But Pinwall is a great resource to bookmark. Thanks for the suggestion.
It would appear that the OEM parts have been going up steadly in price over the last three or so years so I may purchase immediatly and make it a winter project or may just purchase the parts later. As I had stated earlier a Honda dealer want way more for parts compared to online so a dealer is not a option for me.
$311 is nothing to sneeze at but it is all relative since the damage could have been far worse, especially when you start talking paint damage. My damage is just bolt on so I can live with that.
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1) The coffee in a McDonalds coffee cup is HOT! I know, it says so on the cup.
2) Do not use a plug-in electric hair dryer while using the shower at the same time. Yes, it says that in the instructions too!
3) Dremel tools at not to be used to perform dentistry. Yes, it really says that in the instructions.
Ok, you goofed. Hopefully no one was there to video tape the whole thing. Or, perhaps some one SHOULD have been there to video tape it. If so, please post it soon, we all need a good laugh.
One thing I do NOT need is more government legislation telling me what I can, cant or should not do! And you can bet your bottom dollar I need more and more complicated instructions telling me how not to hurt myself like I need (another) hole in my head. God gave me common sense, most of the time I use it and manage not to kill myself.
Personally, I'd never admit (in public) I ever did such a thing.
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Well, Well, Well.  I have only been contributing to this forum for a while and what I have found that the people who responded to my questions have been fantastic.  But the feel of many of these postings has dissapointed me this once.  All of you helped me greatly with my problem, but sometimes people make mistakes and say(write) things that they often regret later.  I once forgot to put down my kickstand on one of my bikes, I rode for several klm before I had to make a left hand turn. The resulting catapult over the handlebars was (as one bystander suggested) spectacular.  From my perspective I was less enthustastic and quite sore and sorry. This was in 1976, At the time I thought "why isnt there a warning light" Now almost every bike has a sidestand cutout. Was I dum, Unconditionally YES, did I ever do it again YES (said with embaressment).  I have left disc locks on, forgotten to turn on the fuel, bumped the kill switch and tried to push start the bike several times before I realised what it was, hell I've even put in the damn battery back to front. I dont consider myself an idiot (I am an engineer for goodness sake) but we all make mistakes, we just have to look back and say "OOps" have a laugh and move on. Please keep up the great forum, and forgive us all our stupidity with the grace and good humor I have come to know and love. |
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It was not the mistake. We have all been there, done that. I have sure made my share!
It was the: It is not my fault. It is some one else's fault. I need to get the government involved to prevent me from being stupid, that upset most of us.
I also just got back in from riding my Valk. I could not go 2 feet with the handlebars at full lock, from a standing start, without touching them.
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At this point in what might be refered to as a long flame thread I would like to say Kudo's to you Duckee. Your original post sparked up a lot of return fire your way and some of it definitely wasn't pretty  But here we are on page 3 and you have taken ownership of the mistake and not turned this in to a back and forth battle of the witless. Thanks for your post not only for the info, but also a little reminder for all of us of the many little stupid mistakes we all make at times and raising our alert level for at least a short time. We are all human (at least most of us) Ride safe and please continue to share your future moments of stupidity. I only share about half of mine (the forum isn't big enough for all of them ) As for those of you who boldly spoke out with flames, keep it up! Not only is it enjoyable to read, but it does educate us and spread more wisdom.  We surely don't need more goverment control! I fear the day we all have to use goverment approved TP paper!  |
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At this point in what might be refered to as a long flame thread I would like to say Kudo's to you Duckee. Your original post sparked up a lot of return fire your way and some of it definitely wasn't pretty But here we are on page 3 and you have taken ownership of the mistake and not turned this in to a back and forth battle of the witless. Thanks for your post not only for the info, but also a little reminder for all of us of the many little stupid mistakes we all make at times and raising our alert level for at least a short time. We are all human (at least most of us) Ride safe and please continue to share your future moments of stupidity. I only share about half of mine (the forum isn't big enough for all of them ) As for those of you who boldly spoke out with flames, keep it up! Not only is it enjoyable to read, but it does educate us and spread more wisdom. We surely don't need more goverment control! I fear the day we all have to use goverment approved TP paper! I agree with this......Duckee, I am sorry your bike had to get dinged and I am glad you didnt ......things could have been different. I said I thought the story didnt seem credible because I , like others have been riding for many years and were taught certain things as a matter of habit (for safety mostly) that just makes it hard to believe anyone could pull a bike off the side stand and not notice locked handlebars immediately. However, my experience is not yours, so I apologize for assuming you were a prank (we get them sometimes) Saying all that...I would wonder how long you have been riding, how much training youve had, and what other basic safety practices you may need to add to your "habits" And Im not just picking on you, I harp on safety to others that claim they do things like rely on back brakes for primary stopping, and other things....so just be smart and be safe, and if we meet up Ill ride with you at least on a continuous hard left curve (sorry bad joke) |
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Well I'll have to take a picture and post it on Tuesday or Wednesday and then I think all will see why I failed to try and steer until it was to late. It was all in a effort to clear the buildings column that was in front of me which required a hard left lock to clear. As the security guard that ran up to me had said "I got to rewind the video tape to get a good laugh" And I have no doubt that he did.
This ws after he confirmed that I was o.k. though. The Security guard is 69 years old and I never saw someone of that age run so fast to see if I was o.k. Well even when I went back into the office a couple of guys started laughing at me because they could totally visualize what had happen.
On a side note I have been riding since the early 80's and this has never happened before, but at the same time I have never owned a cruiser which has separate locks for the steering and ignition. But after owning the Valk for 6 years I should've known.
I have also left me stand down rode about one to two feet and realized that it was down. So like other stated It is hard to visualize riding 20 or 30 feet in the locked position, some would also say that it is impossible to have the stand down for 1/4, 1/2 mile, but onr may never realize the stand is down until they go to make that left turn.
Accidents are the weardest thing only because they come in all shapes and sizes, and one can rack their brains out trying to figure out how such a dumb thing happened, and probably can't duplicate the same accident to save their life. Yea my moment was definantly a youtube moement, and if I saw such a video on youtube with me or anyone else for that matter that this happened to I would laugh my butt off.
I must say that in a strange way you all have helped my healing process and for that I appreciate the dialog. Because I gurantee that if I did not have this dialog I would still be just as upset as the first day that this accident occured.
Look for the picture(s) later this week, now off to youtube I go!
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« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2009, 07:17:31 PM » |
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They are the most generous, experienced, knowledgeable, helpful, friendly, independent, outspoken,intelligent group that you are apt to find anywhere in the motorcycle world... ...the same token, if they think that you are wrong, they will tell you that you are wrong... ...and I prefer hearing about it from my friends... ...not lived long enough yet to make all my mistakes... ...I will take full responsibility for it without blaming someone else and hopefully learn something in the process...
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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2009, 08:16:51 PM » |
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Hi John;
Yes I did ride with the side stand down and no the engine didnt cut out because the bike didnt have a cut out switch. As I said it was back in 1976, probably many of you would not even be a gleam in your fathers eye back then. Im speaking of that time BI (before Internet)
Bikes were nearly all kick started (yes not only Harleys)
Bikes had centre stands as standard.
Bikes didnt have cut outs on centre stands.
A fully dressed bike was one with a windshield.
Helmets were optional.
and sometimes you didnt know which side the gears were on (thats another story)
and the world was sweet and innocent (at least thats my memory of it, but Im getting old so it might be a little addled)
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« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2009, 09:16:51 PM » |
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This may have been said already maybe not.
I thought this was the Tech board and not the Message board?
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« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2009, 12:54:23 PM » |
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Holy Cow... Four pages of comments on Duckee riding with his steering locked... AWESOME! Duckee... I must confess that as I just came to the tech board after being gone for the weekend and then reading through all the posts. And the agony that fellow riders were giving you I felt sad for you. I was afraid that you would leave and never come back. You had mentioned that you hadn't posted in a while and I thought, well.... If he hasn't posted for a while and then he posted this and gets all this in return... He's gone.. no more Duckee, he found another pond to swim in... But, to my amazement you stuck around and I for one may not have had the nicest response to some of those comments that were left for you... But, you have a great attitude. The request to write to the NHTSA is a bit of a stretch my friend. I for one do not want anymore regulations, we have too many now..
First of all I am glad that you are okay and only your ego was a bit scratched up. I have a few funny stories that I will share with this great group of guys on here... I had just bought my 99 I/S three years ago. I never owned a street bike in my life. I had a cousin that lived in joplin, mo and I ordered some new tires for my bike. I was riding on my first trip down there from Topeka, ks. The tires were dunflops and they were shiny and felt like plastic. Well the first weekend off I planned to go down there. Well... It was raining, I didn't have a full face helmet and so i wore a half and I rolled up to a Casey's gas station to take a break from the rain and white knuckling the ride for an hour. I went to put my foot down and it just so happened to be a puddle of oil. you guessed it... I put my foot down and all was good.. Then as I shifted the weight to my right side to put the kickstand down my foot slid, and kept sliding until my bike was supported by the crash bars. I got off the bike and looked at the situation and thought... oh that's cool it didn't lay over very far I can get this back up. Mind you I am a young 27 yr old at the time, i went over to the right side to raise the bike up only to find out just how heavy she really is... Needless to say.. I had to adjust my grip or rather give it all I had and then i was afraid that it would tip over to the other side.... yeah very embarrassing.
One more for you duckee... I race mountain bikes and about 7 or 8 yrs ago i went to the type of pedals that you wear special shoes that you "clp" into the pedal. That way you can get more power out of the back end of the pedal stroke.. It works wonders... But, the first time I clipped into the pedals I was meeting some riding buddies at a local trail. I rode up to see that I had about 8 good friends ready to go riding, as I came to a stop I had completely forgot that I had to twist my heals out to "un-clip" and well as you can visualize I rolled up and came to a stop and then went to take my foot off the pedal and... well it just didn't happen. I stopped and then tipped over and layed clipped in to my bike and laying on my side... A couple buddies asked if I was okay and then they started laughing and said, man can you do that again we all didn't get to see it.... as they laughed hysterically... yeah so we all have stupid stories about that and some cost a bit more than others to repair but it is still funny and yes they still bring it up when we are hanging out... I don't want a sticker on my bike that says turn heals out to unclip or writing in the parking lots that say "caution oil spots on ground are slippery when wet, motorcyclists beware"...
So get your ride fixed and do a safety check on your bike before you start the bike... horn, break lights, turn signals...etc... Trust me... It could have been way worse... You could have had no brake lights and someone ran you over... So.... even though it will cost you a bit it may just have saved your life... You will now think twice before firing up and taking off...
Duckee... you going to be at the InZane? I will buy you a drink.. But you can't ride for four hours... or six hours in your case!!!
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Be responsible for yourself- no one took you to raise after you left home.
Why is there a need to "blame" your mistake on others.
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This story doesnt sound credible. The lock on a Valkyrie front end cannot be locked in the straight position. The bars must be turned quite a bit before the lock will engage. I doubt I could ride 2 feet much less 30 without knowing the thing was locked.
I have sat on the bike and got ready to ride forgetting the bars were locked........as soon as I touched the grips it was obvious....you have to be REALLY not paying attention to not notice that, and then get 30 feet fighting an uncontrollable turn wondering why? I dont think so That's a strange comment coming from someone that says: I routinely ride with the bars at the stops in parking lots and other low speed tight places....... I knew you were stretching the limits of credulity when you bragged about. I figured you must have been doing it on a small dirt bike. If doubt you could even do it one one of those! |
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I didn't take time to read every reply.
Sorry you had a dumbshit attack.
I know the feeling, I have had a dumbshit attack too.
There are only 2 categories of folk in this regard:
Those who have had a dumbshit attack
and those who will.
However, there are also 2 categories of those who have had a dumbshit attack:
Those who accept responsibilty for their dumbshit attack
and those who look for any reason to blame any and everything else for it.
I hope by now you have accepted responsibilty for your mistake
and realize it was you that f*cked up, not Honda.
I hope no one else takes this cue to try to blame their own dumbshit attack on someone else
Or we will have one more dumbshit device to foil as we attempt to simplify instead of blame others for our own actions.
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This story doesnt sound credible. The lock on a Valkyrie front end cannot be locked in the straight position. The bars must be turned quite a bit before the lock will engage. I doubt I could ride 2 feet much less 30 without knowing the thing was locked.
I have sat on the bike and got ready to ride forgetting the bars were locked........as soon as I touched the grips it was obvious....you have to be REALLY not paying attention to not notice that, and then get 30 feet fighting an uncontrollable turn wondering why? I dont think so That's a strange comment coming from someone that says: I routinely ride with the bars at the stops in parking lots and other low speed tight places....... I knew you were stretching the limits of credulity when you bragged about. I figured you must have been doing it on a small dirt bike. If doubt you could even do it one one of those! Mr D.......if you look it says in parking lots and other tight places at low speed. Every day I have to make a tight turn to get ready to back into parking.......bars at the stop every time. U-turns in tight places.....bars at stops......Im sure many others do it too, I dont see what your problem is with that...... |
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"I realize you say you "take responsibility"- I wonder if you really mean it." I won't even dignify your statement with a response. I have already made my peace and don't require your validation as such.
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Although I like popcorn, I'm not real proud of the piling on, cheap shots and political sniping that has resulted in this thread going 4 pages.
This has not been our finest hour.
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Although I like popcorn, I'm not real proud of the piling on, cheap shots and political sniping that has resulted in this thread going 4 pages.
This has not been our finest hour.
Your mileage, and opinion may vary, and frankly my dear I don't give a damn.
Well......I have to say, your comment is just as unnecessary as the cheap shots you complain about. This is a bike club.......there are those that are quicker than others to call out unreasonable stories. the appropriate apologies were made and I dont think anyone was killed in the making of this thread so hit the back button and go for a ride |
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ssober
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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2009, 09:49:46 PM » |
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To err is human... To blame it on someone else shows good management skills. |
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Some do.
Some don't.
I Did!
Live your life so when your feet hit the ground in the morning, the devil says "crap, he's awake"
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« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2009, 07:02:24 AM » |
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I lock mine everytime I get off the bike. My habit is. When I go to leave, stand the bike upright stand up then tunr the bars to the center, then start the bike. Never had a issue.
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