Use of VRCC emblem

[John33 (France VRCC)]

Hy from France,

Some of us had troubles with HD riders during a meeting a few days ago.
We wore the BIG VRCC Club Patch on the back of our vests plus a separate patch with"France".
We were told that it is not correct and we were asked to take it off.

So what do you think of that?
Is there an agreement with other clubs? (1%MC)
Are we free to wear the VRCC emblem + the name of a 2nd patch + the city or country on a 3rd patch?
What is the official line of the VRCC.

Have a nice week end

[Jabba]

My reply is unofficial.

It's the 3rd piece proclaiming territory (france) that offended them. 

Lose the France part... and I doubt you'll have any other trouble.

Jabba

[Rams]

I gotta be honest here, if I was wearing my US flag patch (which I do) or USA somehow attached to my VRCC emblem, they could kiss my ass before it's coming off.  I might leave, I might not but, that flag ain't coming off my jacket.  But, it may make a difference on how it's done, not sure about that, pics sure would be helpful.  Obviously, there may be some "issues" that I am not aware of in this particular situation.  I've been in a few places, I won't go back just because it isn't worth the hassel.

It's your vest, wear it with pride.  If they don't welcome you, it's their loss.  Just my two cents worth, it ain't worth much but, it's all mine and just to be clear, this is opinion.  Officially, you asked in the right place, the right folks just haven't responded.

[fudgie]

I gotta be honest here, if I was wearing my flag patch (which I do) or USA somehow attached to my VRCC emblem, they could kiss my ass before it's coming off.  I might leave, I might not but, that flag ain't coming off my jacket.  But, it may make a difference on how it's done, not sure about that, pics sure would be helpful.

It's your vest and colors, wear it with pride.  If they don't welcome you, it's their loss.  Just my two cents worth, it ain't worth much but, it's all mine and just to be clear, this is opinion.  Officially, you asked in the right place, the right folks just haven't responded.

  I'll never take my vest off.

[tank_post142]

in a three patch system, you will find that when you put a city county or state etc. on the lower patch you are claiming territory. this is not looked on favorably by M/Cs. i have seen people beaten to a pulp for wearing this, i have seen someone tossed off a 70'  bridge for this(following their motorcycle). you can be as loud and indignant as you want but that will not save your life when push comes to shove.

[R J]

Get rid of the word 'France' and they won't bother you anymore.

Whoever it was that asked/told you to do so is like a Hell's Angels Club member.

Piss around with them and you could end up DEAD.   It ain't worth the hassle.

Fudgie, he wasn't talking about a map........

Several years ago this was talked out, and explained on the other clubs side of the pen..

[rainman]

in a three patch system, you will find that when you put a city county or state etc. on the lower patch you are claiming territory. this is not looked on favorably by M/Cs. i have seen people beaten to a pulp for wearing this, i have seen someone tossed off a 70'  bridge for this(following their motorcycle). you can be as loud and indignant as you want but that will not save your life when push comes to shove.

Get rid of the word 'France' and they won't bother you anymore.
Whoever it was that asked/told you to do so is like a Hell's Angels Club member.
Piss around with them and you could end up DEAD.   It ain't worth the hassle.
Fudgie, he wasn't talking about a map........
Several years ago this was talked out, and explained on the other clubs side of the pen..

Agree take the word 'France' off and you will be safe.  Leave it on and you better be ride in a group and carrying.  It’s not right but that is the world of the 1%er’s. It sounds like they ask you nicely the next time it could be ugly

[RainMaker]

Hy from France,

Some of us had troubles with HD riders during a meeting a few days ago.
We wore the BIG VRCC Club Patch on the back of our vests plus a separate patch with"France".
We were told that it is not correct and we were asked to take it off.

So what do you think of that?
Is there an agreement with other clubs? (1%MC)
Are we free to wear the VRCC emblem + the name of a 2nd patch + the city or country on a 3rd patch?
What is the official line of the VRCC.

Have a nice week end

At least you were "asked" to take it off.  Depending on the group, they might just take your jacket/vest without asking.

It's the "France" patch that attracted their meager attention.

Agreed, it's a shame that the world of motorcycling has such mentality but that's the way it is.

[X Ring]

Fudgie, we don't have colors.  We have a patch.  You can buy it, you don't have to earn it.  It's not worth it.

Marty

[sandy]

I thought their objections had to do with motorcycle clubs. We're cruising club and don't have to comply with those silly rules. BTW: If anyone tries to take my patches off, their breaking the law. It's called assault. They can object in court through a law suit if they want. Let's hear it for the 2nd amendment. Too bad you live in France. No weapons allowed I'd guess.

[oZ]

• A one-piece patch usually signifies a family club or social motorcycle club (riding club) when it's done with respect to the area clubs. This is what the VRCC is and my personal preference is to wear just the patch without rockers. (rockers are banners above or below the main patch). I really don't want to make any recommendations that or tell anyone what to do. Just think about your options and there consequences

• A two-piece patch can have many different meanings as long as it's done with respect to the area clubs.

• A three-piece patch normally means that the club is a traditional MC club. With the top rocker being the club name, the middle being their patch and the bottom being the territory they exist in. There are also a few three-piece patch clubs where the bottom rocker has the territory. The traditional MC is one that adheres to the protocols and traditions established. There are few exceptions, but, traditional clubs are approved by the local dominant.

Read RJ's post above, he is correct

[X Ring]

I thought their objections had to do with motorcycle clubs. We're cruising club and don't have to comply with those silly rules. BTW: If anyone tries to take my patches off, their breaking the law. It's called assault. They can object in court through a law suit if they want. Let's hear it for the 2nd amendment. Too bad you live in France. No weapons allowed I'd guess.

Brave talk from behind a keyboard.  You don't want to tangle with an OMG over our patch.  They do not fight one on one or fair.  It may be called battery; however, for you it would be an ambulance ride and a hospital stay.  If you want to file charges you would have to know who they are and have witnesses because it wouldn't be simple assault.  All over a patch you bought.  Don't be foolish.  You have nothing to prove or stand up for. 

Marty

[fudgie]

Ive been asked many atimes to remove my vest or leave cause of the VRCC patch in a establishment. I dont and I leave. Had a few bouncers follow me around also.

I maybe be small and cant fight worth a crap but no one is telling me what not to wear.

Maybe thats whats wrong with this world, we dont stand up for ourselves and back down at the sight of fear. 

[fiddle mike]

Brave talk from behind a keyboard.  You don't want to tangle with an OMG over our patch.  They do not fight one on one or fair.  It may be called battery; however, for you it would be an ambulance ride and a hospital stay.  If you want to file charges you would have to know who they are and have witnesses because it wouldn't be simple assault.  All over a patch you bought.  Don't be foolish.  You have nothing to prove or stand up for. 

Marty

I think some of the guys  would debate over what is worth standing up for. 

>Police officials said that five men and a woman were arrested on assault charges for allegedly taking part in attacks on June 6 at various Northeast locations on members of motorcycle clubs whose "colors" had not been approved by the Bandidos.<

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_20911150/el-paso-police-raids-lead-arrest-members-associates
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[tank_post142]

back many years ago when i rode with a known club we did more than put people in the hospital over this issue. your talking millions of dollars in revenue to protect. not an ego issue at all. you let one go and it's anarchy.
 let me throw you a 1% style beating and you decide if it's worth it. both arms, both legs, 6-8 ribs,skull, left hand shatter so you cant ever work a clutch again, and pelvis as a minimum.

[ValkFlyer]

Some things are worth fighting and dying for, my family, life, and country..........but a piece of material, give me a frig'n break.....talk about having one's priorities screwed up.....There are far more important things to get upset over...walk away..

[mrider]

WOW.....all this over a couple of patches, Tank ( which I have never meet) and brother fiddle which I know  very well have made some very true statements about the 1%ers, I for one have never riden with a M/C of that nature but I know plenty of them and call them my friends. The decision is up to you and your group weather to obey the wishes of  the controling  M/C in that area and pull the rockers off or and here is the kicker you could go and talk to the M/C out of respect and explain what your group is about (not saying it's a easy thing to do) but generally that's how support clubs begin if I'm not mistaken and if you wish to do neither then be ready to back up your statement by wearing the rockers......which I've seen go real bad....like I said up to you and your group!           

[tank_post142]

hell the American Legion Riders Department of Florida (over 3400 members) just backed down in the face of the 1% clubs and ordered the removal of all rockers in Fla.

[Quicksilver]

Is something like this one practical and permitted?


Perhaps this option would work.

[sandy]

I guess I don't get all these "rules". Who gives a bunch of vicious bikers the authority to tell others what clothes to wear? Certainly no gov't sanctions this. Let me add to my earlier post: I don't wear clothing that depicts me as a motorcycle rider. I don't wear patches or any club affiliations because of this crap. I'm not a biker. I'm a motorcycle enthusiast. Here in AZ, the Hell's Angels have control of ABATE. As a result I won't join them either. ... Tank admitted to giving a severe beating to people back in the old days. Due to an upbringing I won't go into, my tolerance for abuse is non existent. If I lived through that beating, the perps would have to look over their shoulder for the rest of their lives. I stay away from the places that might put me in harms way so it won't happen to me. I ride alone most of the time and don't stop in places where lots of cycles are parked. I believe in freedom in this country and living in fear of some silly rules that aren't gov't sanctioned isn't part of my life. Because I ride a Honda, I've been called a fag*ott, told to "get a real man's motorcycle". An HD dealer sales manager called my Valk a F*ck*n Honda. At a PGR funeral 2 a*holes gave me crap about riding a Honda 30 ft from the dead vet's father. I quit them too because the state director refused to do anything about the issue. Maybe there's more tolerance between brands back East, but out here HDs aren't very well thought of by the metric community because this behavior is common.

[X Ring]

For those of you that don't get this, watch some of the gang shows on Discovery and other channels when the show is about an OMG.  The Hells Angels and the Mongols went to war for years over the California rocker.  A truce was declared then when both clubs ended up in the same casino during the Laughlin River Run, all hell broke loose.  Knives and gunfire. 

Also, every state has a Council of Clubs.  Some states have more than 1 because of the size of the state.  California has 3 I believe and Florida has 4.  The councils are there to prevent problems between OMGs and riding clubs.  The council also approves patches for clubs in their area.  The CoC in Oklahoma disapproved the PGR's patch because the head of the Bandidos didn't like that the PGR patch has yellow in it, one of the Bandidos' colors.   National PGR HQ put out not to wear the PGR patch in OK, it's not worth getting members hurt over.

Marty

[musclehead]

thay can have my vest when they pry it from my cold dead body

(yes, I'm kidding ) 

[hotglue #43]

It's pretty simple.... ya wanna wear colors with rockers... You live in their world, and they control it....  doesn't matter if you think it's right or not.... you are in their world.  
  I will not wear a back patch, rockers or not.  I don't live in their world, and don't want to live by their rule.  I ride my bikes and enjoy my time in the saddle.  
No colors for me.
  BTW.... if ya think yer bad enough to defend yer colors and think you can 'kick their asses.... girth up .... if ya take on one... Ya take on all of them....plus, you put anyone that wears a VRCC patch in danger. 
  Best advice... get over it.  You really don't want to live in their world.

[tank_post142]

i'm with Hotglue !! although i do wear a patch set by special permission from SFPC down here.

[hotglue #43]

For those of you that don't get this, watch some of the gang shows on Discovery and other channels when the show is about an OMG.  The Hells Angels and the Mongols went to war for years over the California rocker.  A truce was declared then when both clubs ended up in the same casino during the Laughlin River Run, all hell broke loose.  Knives and gunfire.  

Also, every state has a Council of Clubs.  Some states have more than 1 because of the size of the state.  California has 3 I believe and Florida has 4.  The councils are there to prevent problems between OMGs and riding clubs.  The council also approves patches for clubs in their area.  The CoC in Oklahoma disapproved the PGR's patch because the head of the Bandidos didn't like that the PGR patch has yellow in it, one of the Bandidos' colors.   National PGR HQ put out not to wear the PGR patch in OK, it's not worth getting members hurt over.

Marty

You can pay tribute to the main 1% club in your area through the COC to wear a patch that they approve....  but I an not inclinced to pay an outlaw club to wear a patch.  Just me....  but remember..what you do while wearing a patch will effect anyone that wears the same patch...lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas....  I'll not be a part of it.

[hotglue #43]

thay can have my vest when they pry it from my cold dead body

(yes, I'm kidding )  

and they will..... not kidding,

[Jabba]

I am there.

I wear a vest.  I don't even have a VRCC patch.  I have pins...

I am often carrying.  and I am 6'3" and 325 lbs, and pretty athletic.  It ain't worth it.  I have barely run into a couple of 1% club members only a couple times... and they have always been fairly cool to me.  

I used to see a Hells Angels Indiana guy a lot in the AM on the way to work.  I have not seen him for a few years.  We used to be the only 2 bikes out there at 6:00 AM when it was 30F out.

I had 3 guys flip a u turn to come help me once.  I didn't need help, but they were totally cool to me.

Whatever.  I won't wear them.  I am with Hot Glue.

Jabba

[oZ]

For those of you that don't get this, watch some of the gang shows on Discovery and other channels when the show is about an OMG.  The Hells Angels and the Mongols went to war for years over the California rocker.  A truce was declared then when both clubs ended up in the same casino during the Laughlin River Run, all hell broke loose.  Knives and gunfire.

My daughter of all people was in the bar at the Casino when the Mongols and Hell Angels started the unpleasant exchange. We were in Laughlin for the River Run. Early on SoCal Valkyrie Riders would go each year, after that... not so much.  They locked down Laughlin and I didn't see my daughter until like 8 hours after the shooting, scared the hell out of me.

[Alien]

Interacting with members of a MC is all about attitude and respect.  You get what you give.   Like Forrest Gump said, "That's all I have to say about that."

[Bugslayer]

It's too damn hot for a vest anyway.

[John33 (France VRCC)]

hello ,

I thank all of you for your comments that I will forward to the french VRCC board.

The best advice : not to wear a separate patch with a territory( city or country).

Ride safe Brothers

[fudgie]

Interacting with members of a MC is all about attitude and respect.  You get what you give.   

 

[Scott in Ok]

I guess I don't get all these "rules". Who gives a bunch of vicious bikers the authority to tell others what clothes to wear? Certainly no gov't sanctions this.

sandy,

I think the point is, the 1% MC clubs don't play by the same rules the rest of us do.  They don't care if some gov't sanctions them.  They live by their own rules, regardless if we think its right, fair, or legal. 

Trust me when I say its not worth it.

As a side note, I saw 8 Mongols on I-40 west of OKC this last week, wearing California Rockers....with one Oklahoma Rocker in the lead.  I didn't realize the Mongols had anyone in Oklahoma, mostly being Bandito territory around here.

-Scott

[Serk]

Take the motorcycle part out of it for a second...

Would you wear a red bandana through Crips territory in LA? Or wear a blue bandana through Bloods territory?

Either activity is perfectly legal, even protected by law...

But doing either would get you just as dead.

Do you REALLY wanna wear that bandana so badly you're willing to fight, kill and die for it?

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Take the motorcycle part out of it for a second...

Would you wear a red bandana through Crips territory in LA? Or wear a blue bandana through Bloods territory?

Either activity is perfectly legal, even protected by law...

But doing either would get you just as dead.

Do you REALLY wanna wear that bandana so badly you're willing to fight, kill and die for it?

Clearly stated 

[tonyfan70]

hmmm. Should I remove my Wild Hogs patch then?

[Chrome]

Sorry if I read John33's post wrong but he said

Some of us had troubles with HD riders during a meeting a few days ago

 I don't see where there is any mention of 1%ers or gangs. Can't assume he meant gangs unless he said so. If it was just a group of HD riders,tuff crap, if any different,well that's a different story.
Adrian

[X Ring]

hmmm. Should I remove my Wild Hogs patch then?

There actually is a Wild Hogs patch out there.  Couple of years ago 5 or 6 guys showed up at Blessing of the Bikes in Gautier, MS wearing them.  They were laughed at so much they left within 10 minutes.

Marty

[tank_post142]

chrome there is also a language issue here.

[BIG--T]

Sorry if I read John33's post wrong but he said

Some of us had troubles with HD riders during a meeting a few days ago

 I don't see where there is any mention of 1%ers or gangs. Can't assume he meant gangs unless he said so. If it was just a group of HD riders,tuff crap, if any different,well that's a different story.
Adrian

I don't think the HD thing had nothing to do with it. All the 1% clubs I've ever seen all ride Harleys.