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« on: June 01, 2009, 04:35:35 AM » |
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Hey, I wanted to run an idea past all of you. I bought a 98 tourer in Nevada, that happens to be a california bike and plan to take it back home to Ohio (still with me? i hope). Well what I was wondering is about the extra emissions equiptment that cali requires. Do I need to keep it on the bike if it is not going to be in cali? I don't care about the weight, my concern is that on bike bandit a new evap canister is like $250 and I have no desire to either have to pay that or have to suffer a preformance loss because it is clogged. Can it be removed? is it legal? do you know anyone who had done it? What else should I be taking out if I do it? thanks  |
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Grandpot
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 04:50:29 AM » |
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Do a de-smog on the bike. The information you need is on the Shoptalk page. Have fun.  |
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sandy
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 09:29:43 AM » |
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I have 106K on a CA bike. No desmog and no problems. Also a '98.
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duckee
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 10:30:07 AM » |
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If you do de-smog I would hold onto the parts for a little while. My dad has a 1999 Valk and I de-smog his because we had the carbs off anyway due to old gas. I'm also in Calif. I say hold onto the parts for a while because Calif has been trying to get emission test passed in the state.
I'm Not sure if such a attempt would ever happen in Nevada. If the emission testing ever pass in Calif I'm going to have to remember how those parts came off of my dads bike, provide that he does not throw the parts out. We did not notice any difference with the parts on or off of the bike other then the lack of noise from the reed valves.
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Patrick
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 03:00:24 AM » |
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The answer is no !! It is quite illegal,but, that hasn't stopped most of us from getting rid of that junk.. About the only reason to do it is to eliminate vacuum leaks,,but,, thats a pretty good reason.. The best article on 'how to' is Normands [quexspress[sp?,sorry Normand]]..
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Youngsmoke
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 03:48:51 AM » |
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i understand that it is a no-no, but is it really that big of a deal if i do not live in california? I am going to be keeping it in nevada for now and then moving back to ohio next year. neither of those states mandate testing for motorcycles. But if they did, and I desmogged wouldn't I be held to the ohio standard not the cali standard?
Is there a preformance improvement when you do it? is this something I should look at doing sooner? or just keep in mind incase i develop a vaccum leak
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 03:53:53 AM » |
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Blondie's Tourer (a '99 CA model) gets ~40MPG due to the model differences in cams, carburetion and the smog junque. I plan on leaving the stuff there until it develops a problem, then off it comes...
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Patrick
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 12:15:26 PM » |
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there is no performance difference,,unless,, you have a vacuum leak. .. As far as regulations are concerned,, generally each state sets their own standards.. i am not aware of any state that requires MC emission testing,,but,,that doesn't mean there aren't any.. Here in NY we have two[2] emission testing methods/requirements depending on your location of residence,,but,, none for bikes.. Generally whenever anything is made retroactive then the requirements/standards are fairly loose..If the desmog is done nicely then a technician/inspector may not even realize the bike has been altered.. |
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RP#62
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 06:43:37 PM » |
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As far as I know, Maricopa County Arizona (Phoenix) is the only county in the country that requires emission testing on motorcycles. They have voted it out however they've given EPA until 2010 to approve. So in the meantime we're still subject to the EPA ransome.
I've recently done a "soft" de-smog (removed all the valves and extraneous hoses and capped the remaining hoses) because I got tired of all the clicking other collateral racket. My emission inspection is coming up in July. I'm going to try it as is and if it doesn't pass, I'll put it all back on.
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sandy
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 08:44:28 PM » |
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Pima County (Tucson) also has emmission testing for bikes. It's only an idle test. Years ago they tested throughout the RPM range on a dyno. An owner slipped off and damaged his bike. The state had to pay to fix it and the "idle only" test came about.
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Patrick
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2009, 03:35:37 AM » |
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If I remember correctly Arizona was one of the first to break down and go along with EPA and that wonderful IM240 test [for light vehicles/cars]..A number of other states continued the lawsuit against EPA..I was quite involved at the time with it and we were able to isolate the IM240 test to downstate only.. But, I digress, sorry.. At least with carburetors the sniffer can be fooled,, especially,, for an idle only test.. It might be fun to lean these critters and see what happens,, an old 2 or 3 gas sniffer will work..Once the bike has the new sticker and provided you can ride it home while its running that lean, you then just open the screws back up and have fun until next year..
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