WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN

[G-Man]

Just heard a story on John Gambling's radio show that a school went on a sports trip to Germany.  While there, teachers had sex with students.  The defense contends that since it happened in Germany, the teachers can't be prosecuted.

If it was my daughter, the world wouldn't be big enough for him to hide in.

[czuch]

Protect them by teaching them.
My daughter knows some very devastating blows that just take a little practise.
Instruction is out there.  Seek it.
And the world wouldnt be near big enough. Nor would I have anything else to do.

[MacDragon]

Ditto all the above... There would be no place for him to hide... And if there was time, it would be a slow death.

[sandy]

When USA predators go to Thailand for sex with young girls, they get prosecuted here.

[Time Worp]

Why doesn't anyone ever start a post or talk about priest, Pastors, and other religious child molesters? Been going on for decades but never see it in a forum. But when a none religious child molester(s) pop up everyone talks about it?  

Here are a couple of resent stories (Tried to get different sources so it doesn't look bias)

http://jezebel.com/5884886/thanks-to-the-catholic-church-200-suspected-child-molesters-are-roaming-free-in-california

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html/?pagewanted=all

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-11/world/vatican.pope.abuse_1_abusive-priests-sexual-abuse-catholic-priests?_s=PM:WORLD

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/28/pope-benedict-sexual-abuse-scandal

[Jabba]

I got no use for NONE of 'em.

Jabba

[Serk]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

[Time Worp]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

Great Point!

[Hef]

Why doesn't anyone ever start a post or talk talk about priest, pastures, and other religious child molesters? Been going on for decades but never see it in a forum. But when a none religious child molester(s) pop up everyone talks about it?  

I thought "pastures" were a place where cattle grazed. I think you meant Pastors. Hey, don't get upset, just kidding. As for the low lifes who do this to children I think there was a lot of news about it in the media, nothing to discuss here as far as I see it.

[Time Worp]

Why doesn't anyone ever start a post or talk talk about priest, pastures, and other religious child molesters? Been going on for decades but never see it in a forum. But when a none religious child molester(s) pop up everyone talks about it?  

I thought "pastures" were a place where cattle grazed. I think you meant Pastors. Hey, don't get upset, just kidding. As for the low lifes who do this to children I think there was a lot of news about it on the media, nothing to discuss here as far as I see it.

Auto correct, mans greatest invention.

[G-Man]

Why doesn't anyone ever start a post or talk about priest, Pastors, and other religious child molesters? Been going on for decades but never see it in a forum. But when a none religious child molester(s) pop up everyone talks about it?  

Here are a couple of resent stories (Tried to get different sources so it doesn't look bias)

http://jezebel.com/5884886/thanks-to-the-catholic-church-200-suspected-child-molesters-are-roaming-free-in-california

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/world/europe/25vatican.html/?pagewanted=all

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-11/world/vatican.pope.abuse_1_abusive-priests-sexual-abuse-catholic-priests?_s=PM:WORLD

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/28/pope-benedict-sexual-abuse-scandal

You're new here.  It's been spoken of time and time again.  

[G-Man]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

Regardless of the age of my high school student, be it 16 or 17, and even if she agreed, we place trust in the teachers to protect our kids, not have sex with them when they get a green light from a 17 year old.  

[Time Worp]

You're new here.  It's been spoken of time and time again.  

I've been a member since June of 09, Went to the the Pow Wow in Vermont in May 2010 and New York this year. Been on a couple of smaller member rides in between. Just been posting more recently.

Would love to see some of the older post, can't seem to find any in the search.

[Fritz The Cat]

There are lots of "young" women out there who are totally devoid of any sense of morality. I could post pics to prove it but I'd get banned if I did. Yes, let's look at the actors and the stage before passing judgement. Not all "young" women are angels.

[Serk]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

Regardless of the age of my high school student, be it 16 or 17, and even if she agreed, we place trust in the teachers to protect our kids, not have sex with them when they get a green light from a 17 year old.  

No argument that, regardless of her age it was wrong, just saying the severity is different depending on her going along with it and her age... Either way it is, and should be treated as a criminal act.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

I agree. I was skipping out of school in the 70's, ridin' shotgun in a buds car through a neighboring city's park. And who do we see on a blanket but one of our female teachers and one of the senior class football players. We had to stop and honk till they looked up and saw us. That was probably the only teacher who didn't send me to the office that year.  They seemed to be having a good time and got married after he graduated. Jail for the teacher would have been wrong and I can't fault the guy for banging the teacher either, she was attractive.

It would have been a way different deal if he was 12 though. And a whole other level of wrong if it was a 12 year-old female student and a teacher.

[Jeff K]

You're new here.  It's been spoken of time and time again.  

I've been a member since June of 09, Went to the the Pow Wow in Vermont in May 2010 and New York this year. Been on a couple of smaller member rides in between. Just been posting more recently.

Would love to see some of the older post, can't seem to find any in the search.

As Time Wop continues his obsession with war on religion...

[Time Worp]

As Time Wop continues his obsession with war on religion...

I wouldn't say war, as I can't recall one single war caused by Atheist. I would say that term better suites religious people as religious wars have cause more death then all the land wars, plagues, and natural disasters combined.  

Atheist are realest, and seek truths based on facts. We are not taught to accept what we are told and not to question it. Atheist believe we should question everything we are told. If it wasn't for Atheist our  great country wouldn't be what it is. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, to name a few have said worse truths about religion then I have.

The church protects their molesters and doesn't "protect our children" which I believe is the topic of this forum.
  

[X Ring]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'd need to know the details... How old are the victims? Was it otherwise consensual? Let's not fall into the Trayvon fallacy and accept a 17 year old as a "child" (While legally they're a minor, a 17 year old is not a child).

While yes, it's still illegal, and should be pursued as such, if a teacher had consensual sex with a 17 year old student, that's a VERY different issue than if he raped a 12 year old.

(And yes, I'm forming these opinions in my head by placing one of my daughters in the role of the child victim. If they were 12, the attacked would be hunted to the ends of the earth. If my daughter was 16, 17 when it happened, and she was okay with it, then I'd be mad, but not "Hunt you to the ends of the earth" mad...)

In Mississippi there is no difference and there is no consensual sex between a student and his/her teacher because the teacher wields power over the student.

Marty

[SANDMAN5]

The church protects their molesters and doesn't "protect our children" which I believe is the topic of this forum.

No, the topic of this forum is Valkyrie motorcycles. You claim that athiests are supposed to
question everything they are told.....so who told you God doesn't exist? You say the Bible
is obviously wrong about where we came from....where's your proof of that? I'll wait.

[Time Worp]

No, the topic of this forum is Valkyrie motorcycles. You claim that athiests are supposed to
question everything they are told.....so who told you God doesn't exist? You say the Bible
is obviously wrong about where we came from....where's your proof of that? I'll wait.

No one told me, In 5th grade I questioned what I was learning in Catholic schools and was the first one in my family at age 11 to leave Catholic school to go to public school, Also the first one in my family to graduate from college and hold two degrees in computer science.  


The bible states the earth is 6000 years old. REALLY? 6000 years was as far back as written history went at the time the bible was written. Historical scholars agree Jesus never calmed to be the son of God. Jesus was a carpenter and preached religion for ONLY three years before his death. Jesus Historical (real) name was not Jesus Christ, The religious version of Jesus was written 400 years after his death so no one who had contact with Jesus for three generations  was alive therefore couldn't dispute it. Jesus was born in October not December. The first Roman Catholic Emperor declared Jesus birthday on December 25th in 350 ad, and the Pope confirmed it in 351 ad. I guess you believe 2 of every animal lived within walking distance of Noah's House, The sky is not a solid structure, People do not live to be 600 years old, A brass serpent and a pole will not cure a snakebite, Bushes can't talk. Dead seeds do not germinate. The earth is not suspended in space by pillars. Shall I go on? Not to mention the God gene, are you living under a rock? it has been all over the news.
  
And you're right the forum is for motorcycles, but the topic is "PROTECT OUR CHILDREN".

[valkmc]

Since I sold my Valk I don't comment much on the forum anymore, I still lurk sometimes just to see how things are going and do enjoy reading everyones comments but I have to jump in on this one. As a public school teacher this action disgust me to no end. I really do not care how old the student is, the teacher is suppose to be a professional and is in a position of trust from parents, students, and society in general. Yes, students at 17 try to act like adults, some of them try to use their sexuality to get what they want, but geez there are lots of adults over 18 who will have sex with other adults. There is no need to prey  on children. I understand how citizens get a bad taste in their mouths concerning teachers when idiots like this do these type of things. And I don't care or think there should be any difference if the teacher is a male or a female. Please don't think all teachers are like this, many of us have the job because we are trying to help young people not screw them up.

On a brighter note after my jump to another brand of motorcycle I am back on a Honda..I recently purchased a 2012 Wing and love it.

[Time Worp]

God loves you and there's nothing you can do about it!!

This all according to your Bible, sounds like love to me. And his name is Yahweh not God FYI

•God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus commiting the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
•God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
•God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
•Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
•God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighnor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
•God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
•God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
•God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
•God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
•God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
•God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
•God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
•And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)

[3fan4life]

I wouldn't say war, as I can't recall one single war caused by Atheist.

Just a few famous Atheist:

Joseph Stalin

Benito Mussolini

Fidel Castro

Mao Zedong


I suppose that you could argue that the people on this list didn't actually "START" any wars.

You cannot however argue that they were morally virtuous people that combined are NOT responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people and TERRIBLE suffering for even more.

My point is that people are just that "people"  and all people regardless of their professed religious convictions or lack thereof are capable of perpetrating "EVIL" upon others.

I would say that term better suites religious people as religious wars have cause more death then all the land wars, plagues, and natural disasters combined.

Do you remember a "Little" event from history called the "Black Plague" ?

Figures for the death toll vary widely by area and from source to source as new research and discoveries come to light. It killed an estimated 75 million–200 million people in the 14th century. According to medieval historian Philip Daileader in 2007:

This single plague was estimated to have reduced the WORLD population by at least 25%. This is the single largest killer of human beings EVER.

Additionally, you cannot include the death tolls from ANY of histories recent wars, ( i.e. American Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam)  as these were NOT wars of religion.

You could possibly count the death toll from Iraq and Afghanistan if you are willing to admit that Muslims are indeed perpetrating a religious war against ALL other religions.   

Atheist are realest, and seek truths based on facts.

"FACTS" tend to be in the "eye of the beholder", people tend to see and even sometimes "make up" facts to suit their point of view.



Personally,

I understand how people come to different conclusions about who or what God is.

But,   I ABSOLUTELY cannot understand how people can come to the conclusion that there is no God.


I CANNOT Fathom, how anyone can stand on the shore looking at the vastness of the ocean and say to themselves that there is "No God".

I CANNOT understand how anyone can look up at the millions of stars in the sky and say, "There is No God".

I CANNOT understand how anyone could hold their newborn child in their arms and say, "There is No God".

For ME God is very real and these are just a few of the things that reaffirm me of his existence.


I'll NEVER forget standing guard duty in the desert during the first Gulf War and looking up at the countless stars populating the sky on a moonless night. There in the middle of one of the most Godless places on earth, I knew beyond ANY doubt that.....................

GOD WAS THERE.


And there are NO "FACTS" that you or anyone else can conjure up that will EVER change that.   

[Serk]

Wow...

I humbly bow to the prowess of the new master of threadjacking...

[Time Worp]

My point is that people are just that "people"  and all people regardless of their professed religious convictions or lack thereof are capable of perpetrating "EVIL" upon others.  

Do you remember a "Little" event from history called the "Black Plague" ?

I CANNOT understand how anyone could hold their newborn child in their arms and say, "There is No God".

"FACTS" tend to be in the "eye of the beholder", people tend to see and even sometimes "make up" facts to suit their point of view.

And there are NO "FACTS" that you or anyone else can conjure up that will EVER change that.  

No war has started because of the non-belief of religion.

809 million people have died in religious wars, that's almost a Billion, look up the numbers and you will see my statement is accurate.

Reproduction is not a miracle or the deformities, premature berths, still borns, ect wouldn't exist. I sure someone holding their still born would not think it was a miracle.

The Higgs Particle proves how matter got it's mass. In simplified terms discovering how everything started.

I guess it comes down to questioning what you learned in the bible and expanding your thought process to except that there are scientific answers to your questions. Some people need the comfort of thinking that there is something after death giving meaning to their life. Others except life for what it is. Getting everything out of it while we can, because we know that death is final. It is easier to see what we want to believe, then to face reality. Example A mother will always believe her child was a good person even when he is on death row. easier to believe then to face facts (reality).

Tell all the people starving around the world, woman and kids getting raped, being stoned, blow up and killed that God is there.

[3fan4life]

I wouldn't say war, as I can't recall one single war caused by Atheist.

Just a few famous Atheist:
Joseph Stalin

Benito Mussolini

Fidel Castro

Mao Zedong


I suppose that you could argue that the people on this list didn't actually "START" any wars.

You cannot however argue that they were morally virtuous people that combined are NOT responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people and TERRIBLE suffering for even more.

My point is that people are just that "people"  and all people regardless of their professed religious convictions or lack thereof are capable of perpetrating "EVIL" upon others.

I would say that term better suites religious people as religious wars have cause more death then all the land wars, plagues, and natural disasters combined.

Do you remember a "Little" event from history called the "Black Plague" ?

Figures for the death toll vary widely by area and from source to source as new research and discoveries come to light. It killed an estimated 75 million–200 million people in the 14th century. According to medieval historian Philip Daileader in 2007:

This single plague was estimated to have reduced the WORLD population by at least 25%. This is the single largest killer of human beings EVER.

Additionally, you cannot include the death tolls from ANY of histories recent wars, ( i.e. American Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam)  as these were NOT wars of religion.

You could possibly count the death toll from Iraq and Afghanistan if you are willing to admit that Muslims are indeed perpetrating a religious war against ALL other religions.  

Atheist are realest, and seek truths based on facts.

"FACTS" tend to be in the "eye of the beholder", people tend to see and even sometimes "make up" facts to suit their point of view.



Personally,

I understand how people come to different conclusions about who or what God is.

But,   I ABSOLUTELY cannot understand how people can come to the conclusion that there is no God.


I CANNOT Fathom, how anyone can stand on the shore looking at the vastness of the ocean and say to themselves that there is "No God".

I CANNOT understand how anyone can look up at the millions of stars in the sky and say, "There is No God".

I CANNOT understand how anyone could hold their newborn child in their arms and say, "There is No God".

For ME God is very real and these are just a few of the things that reaffirm me of his existence.


I'll NEVER forget standing guard duty in the desert during the first Gulf War and looking up at the countless stars populating the sky on a moonless night. There in the middle of one of the most Godless places on earth, I knew beyond ANY doubt that.....................

GOD WAS THERE.


And there are NO "FACTS" that you or anyone else can conjure up that will EVER change that.  

No war has started because of the non-belief of religion.

809 million people have died in religious wars, that's almost a Billion, look up the numbers and you will see my statement is accurate.

The Higgs Particle proves how matter got it's mass. In simplified terms discovering how everything started.

Reproduction is not a miracle or the deformities, premature berths, still borns, ect wouldn't exist.

I guess it comes down to questioning what you learned in the bible and expanding your thought process to except that there are scientific answers to your questions. Some people need the comfort of thinking that there is something after death giving meaning to their life. Others except life for what is it as get everything out of it while we can because we know that death is final.

Tell all the people starving around the world, woman and kids getting raped, being stoned, blow up  and killed that God is there.

You obviously have a great deal of ANGER towards God, Religion and The Catholic Church.

Maybe you have your reasons for this.

That DOES NOT give you a RIGHT to denounce or attempt to change the beliefs of others.

BELIEVE whatever you choose, that is your right.

But don't go around beating your chest and proclaiming that only you are "RIGHT" and "ANYONE" who believes otherwise is an IDIOT.

FYI, that makes you EXACTLY like the "religious" people that you propose to hate.   

809 million people have died in religious wars, that's almost a Billion, look up the numbers and you will see my statement is accurate.

I did "look" up the numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll


By these estimates:

20.5 million people have died in wars of religion (Christian, Muslim, other).

489.2 million people have died in "other" wars.


Together these DON'T come close to the 809 million people that you claim religious wars alone have killed.

I found an internet reference to your estimate but there were no "FACTS" to back that number up. 



You can continue to make up all of the "FACTS" that you choose, like I said earlier facts can always be skewed.


This will be my last response to you on this topic within this thread, as others have pointed out the OP has become somewhat hijacked and I don't wish to contribute to that hijacking any longer.

[czuch]

HELMET TIME.          I'm out.

[Time Worp]

This will be my last response to you on this topic within this thread, as others have pointed out the OP has become somewhat hijacked and I don't wish to contribute to that hijacking any longer.

Agreed, last post

here are a couple of resources

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Religious_Wars

http://www.bookrateblog.com/2006/07/22/deaths-over-history-religious-vs-nonreligous/

[G-Man]

You're new here.  It's been spoken of time and time again.  

I've been a member since June of 09, Went to the the Pow Wow in Vermont in May 2010 and New York this year. Been on a couple of smaller member rides in between. Just been posting more recently.

Would love to see some of the older post, can't seem to find any in the search.

Sorry, didn't recognize the name.

I know we've spoken of it before, many times.  That topic would be a timely topic.....spoken about when it happens and then not again until the next one.

[Time Worp]

Sorry, didn't recognize the name.

I know we've spoken of it before, many times.  That topic would be a timely topic.....spoken about when it happens and then not again until the next one.

No problem I'm sure it will come up again. Sorry if I hijacked your post,  My passion for free thinking can come across as hatred. My brothers and sisters that know me, know it is not my intention.

Peace

[G-Man]

But don't go around beating your chest and proclaiming that only you are "RIGHT" and "ANYONE" who believes otherwise is an IDIOT.

Joining in and hijacking my own thread.

I just had to call you on the hipocrisy.

Isn't that the whole thing behind Christianity,.....to save everyone?  To get everyone to accept Jesus so they will be saved and go to heaven, for only Christians can even go to heaven?  I have questioned this several times and that was the answer I was given.....we know the truth and it is on us to let everyone else know the truth.  A truth can be proven.  And there is no one alive that knows one way or the other, so for either side to say that they know the truth is silly. 

[Time Worp]

A truth can be proven.  And there is no one alive that knows one way or the other, so for either side to say that they know the truth is silly.  

Very true statement.

I don't want to make anyone believe anything, I want creationist's to take as much time learning evolution as they did in learning creation. I don't just mean man evolving from ape's. I want people to educate themselves equally on both topics, then make a educated decision based on the knowledge of both sides.....

And if you are still a creationist after "May Yahweh bless you"

[3fan4life]

But don't go around beating your chest and proclaiming that only you are "RIGHT" and "ANYONE" who believes otherwise is an IDIOT.

Joining in and hijacking my own thread.

I just had to call you on the hipocrisy.

Isn't that the whole thing behind Christianity,.....to save everyone?  To get everyone to accept Jesus so they will be saved and go to heaven, for only Christians can even go to heaven?  I have questioned this several times and that was the answer I was given.....we know the truth and it is on us to let everyone else know the truth.  A truth can be proven.  And there is no one alive that knows one way or the other, so for either side to say that they know the truth is silly. 

Christians are commanded to "Spread the Gospel",

This means that we are to tell others about Christ.

Unfortunately in their attempt to do this some Christians can do things to get a bad name:

Sometimes they get so caught up in the joy that they have found that they want to share it and just cannot understand why others don't want to share in their (often new found) joy.     

Or

They take the approach of "Browbeating" every non believer that crosses their path, threatening them with the eternal damnation of hellfire if they don't repent and change their ways.


Neither of these approaches work very well, especially if the person they wish to convert wants nothing to do with being converted.



As for myself, I am willing speak with anyone about Jesus that wants to hear.

But, I have never seen the sense in trying to convince someone that doesn't want to believe.

Hence the verse referred to in my tagline:

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.   
I Corinthians 1:18 NKJV

This serves to remind me that there are those who see the Gospel as foolishness. This is something that those of us who see it as the truth can easily forget.



So, rather than "Brow Beating", I am attempting to live my life as closely as I possibly can to the example set forth by Jesus.

Now don't take this as a "Holier than Thou" attitude,

I know that I fall WAY short of this goal EVERY DAY.   

But, it doesn't keep me from trying.

If someone notices the difference (a few have) and wants to talk about Jesus then I am there to share.


Ultimately faith doesn't come from what you are told or read, faith comes from experience.

My faith doesn't come from the things that I've been told, it comes from experiencing the things that God does / has done / is doing in my life and in the lives of others around me. 



As far as Christians believing that Jesus is the ONLY path to salvation.................

Why would ANYONE practice any religion if they didn't believe it to be the truth ?

 
 

[Time Worp]

As far as Christians believing that Jesus is the ONLY path to salvation.................

Why would ANYONE practice any religion if they didn't believe it to be the truth ?
 

Because they don't know anything else, most are tough this from a young age when most of our learning and who we are is developed.

Example my ole lady (who has a bachelors degree and runs a graphic design firm) grew up in a stick catholic family,

Before she met me she didn't know about

• The Big bang theory
• Cold reading (speaking to the dead)
• Evolution
• Jesus real name or the historical events of Jesus

The list go's on and on. If all you are taught is one side, what hope do you have of making and educated decision?

[3fan4life]

As far as Christians believing that Jesus is the ONLY path to salvation.................

Why would ANYONE practice any religion if they didn't believe it to be the truth ?
 

Because they don't know anything else, most are tough this from a young age when most of our learning and who we are is developed.

Example my ole lady (who has a bachelors degree and runs a graphic design firm) grew up in a stick catholic family,

Before she met me she didn't know about

• The Big bang theory
• Cold reading (speaking to the dead)
• Evolution
• Jesus real name or the historical events of Jesus

The list go's on and on. If all you are taught is one side, what hope do you have of making and educated decision?

I responded to a question from G-Man as he is the OP and therefore I didn't view that as hijacking.

If you wish to continue this "debate" then please either PM me or start another thread.

[SANDMAN5]

The bible states the earth is 6000 years old. REALLY? 6000 years was as far back as written history went at the time the bible was written. Historical scholars agree Jesus never calmed to be the son of God. Jesus was a carpenter and preached religion for ONLY three years before his death. Jesus Historical (real) name was not Jesus Christ, The religious version of Jesus was written 400 years after his death so no one who had contact with Jesus for three generations  was alive therefore couldn't dispute it. Jesus was born in October not December. The first Roman Catholic Emperor declared Jesus birthday on December 25th in 350 ad, and the Pope confirmed it in 351 ad. I guess you believe 2 of every animal lived within walking distance of Noah's House, The sky is not a solid structure, People do not live to be 600 years old, A brass serpent and a pole will not cure a snakebite, Bushes can't talk. Dead seeds do not germinate. The earth is not suspended in space by pillars. Shall I go on? Not to mention the God gene, are you living under a rock? it has been all over the news.

I,too, disagree a lot with the Catholic church..just from my somewhat limited knowledge of it. Jesus
DID "calm" to be the Son of God...several times. What WAS His real name, btw? Yes, I believe He was born in October...what's your point? Earth suspended by pillars? Where did that come from?
Your other posts show that you are obviously ignorant or, at best, mis-informed about the Bible. You should learn the difference between the Old and New Testaments before you comment further. And try using your spell-checker.   

[SANDMAN5]

Also, Time Worp, if you're using science as a way to disprove the Bible you are
wasting everybody's time. Science tells us that bumblebee's can't fly. Their wings
aren't big enough to support their body mass. FAIL. Science said for years that
Pluto was a planet...then said "no it's not"....then "yes it is, we were wrong"..
now they've settled on "no, it's not". FAIL. Scientists still are not all in agreement
on global warming..even though they read the same "evidence". FAIL. Science
tells us that man evolved from apes....but can't tell us why there are still apes.
Why didn't THEY evolve? FAIL. Not trying to change your mind on anything. That's
not my "job". I'm only supposed to tell you that Jesus loved you enough to give His
(earthly) life for you. Whether or not you believe that is ENTIRELY up to you. If you
want to be an athiest, that's entirely between you and God. Ride safe.

[tank_post142]

all of you people are batshit crazy.

[Time Worp]

Your other posts show that you are obviously ignorant or, at best, mis-informed about the Bible. You should learn the difference between the Old and New Testaments before you comment further. And try using your spell-checker.  

Was posting from my phone, so excuse my spelling, auto correct enough said.

The old testament is the original word of GOD. If you want to argue about a remake. Take your argument somewhere else. All truths have a constant story, lies are very easy to spot, first sign is when a story changes.

Historical scholars strongly agree Jesus never claimed to be the son of god. This is the historical record of Jesus not the religious record, two different stories.

My ole lady and I ran into a couple at a restaurant Friday night and had this very conversation, little less heated as it was a discussion and not a pissing match. By the end of the conversation the woman turned to my ole lady and said, your husband is very well read, and his augments are based on fact and not on opinion. We asked her what she did for a living, she said she was a teacher, and had studied religion for three years. I'm sure the person who made the comment "obviously ignorant or, at best, mis-informed about the Bible" doesn't have the same credentials and was obviously an attempt to get a less favorable reaction from me and I let it.

All I can say is I am very well read in the Bible and the History of Jesus and religion, which have conflicting stories. I don't know everything but have heard most of the augments presented here before. Some of the misunderstanding in this hijacked topic may stem from the fact that I was quoting from the bible and historical records and should have distinguish which one when.

Just do me a favor, the next time someone you know is cured of something. Don't thank god and give credit where credit is due and thank science and research.

Have a good night