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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2012, 04:43:03 AM » |
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So, when Jesus was talking about God.....and He said "My Father who sent me" isn't
a claim to be the Son of God? Anyway, you still haven't answered the questions I asked.
As a matter of fact, you haven't provided ANY proof of ANY of the accusations you've made.
Random statements don't cut it. You're just using the same...wait a minute here, I'm trying
to be nice about it....."method" as a certain transgender in Singapore uses. Throw out a lot
of baseless accusations and tuck your tail and run when someone challenges one of them.
And you still haven't shown that you know THE difference between the Old and New Testaments.
Don't worry about it, though. I'm working a bunch of overtime now til the end of August so I
probably won't have time to check in here and see what's been posted. I'll continue to believe
in God and you continue to believe in whatever and we'll both be happy. I'll even let you have
the last post. Time for this thread to die.
P.S. Jesus NEVER taught religion. As a matter of fact He spoke AGAINST religion.
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2012, 05:01:46 AM » |
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So, when Jesus was talking about God.....and He said "My Father who sent me" isn't
a claim to be the Son of God? Anyway, you still haven't answered the questions I asked.
As a matter of fact, you haven't provided ANY proof of ANY of the accusations you've made.
Random statements don't cut it. You're just using the same...wait a minute here, I'm trying
to be nice about it....."method" as a certain transgender in Singapore uses. Throw out a lot
of baseless accusations and tuck your tail and run when someone challenges one of them.
And you still haven't shown that you know THE difference between the Old and New Testaments.
Don't worry about it, though. I'm working a bunch of overtime now til the end of August so I
probably won't have time to check in here and see what's been posted. I'll continue to believe
in God and you continue to believe in whatever and we'll both be happy. I'll even let you have
the last post. Time for this thread to die.
P.S. Jesus NEVER taught religion. As a matter of fact He spoke AGAINST religion.
More name calling, I can see the level of intelligence I am dealing with, so I will not try to defend my statements to you with conversation, I will leave you with some reading material. Up to you too do what you want with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_JesusThe term historical Jesus refers to scholarly reconstructions of the 1st-century figure Jesus of Nazareth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_JesusThe quest for the historical Jesus is the attempt to use historical rather than religious methods to construct a verifiable biography of Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_JesusThe historicity of Jesus concerns how much of what is written about Jesus of Nazareth is historically reliable |
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2012, 05:21:41 AM » |
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Forgot the reference Earth being set on pillars in 1 Sam 2:8
He raises the poor from the dust. He lifts the needy from the trash heap in order to make them sit with nobles and even to make them inherit a glorious throne. "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's. He has set the world on them.
The New Testament focuses more on the life and teachings of Jesus and the Christian church. The Old Testament talks about the history of the creation of the World, the exodus of Israelites, and the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God.
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 06:46:49 AM » |
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OH, BTW.........Heard this morning that they will be prosecuting the two teachers!  |
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 06:59:20 AM » |
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OH, BTW.........Heard this morning that they will be prosecuting the two teachers! Very cool! |
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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2012, 08:12:35 AM » |
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Finally back on topic.  First........... I AGREE that what the teachers did was wrong. HOWEVER, I have a REAL problem with people being prosecuted by the US for something done within the borders of a sovereign foreign country. Especially, if the act was NOT a crime in that country. Where does it STOP ? For example almost every drug that is ILLEGAL here in the US is LEGAL in Amsterdam. Do we start drug testing all US citizens after they visit Amsterdam and do we prosecute all the ones who fail their drug test ? or Prostitution is legal in Germany, but it is illegal in 49 US States. Do we prosecute ANY US citizen residing in one of those 49 states if they are found conducting "business" in a German brothel ? Should these teachers lose their jobs ? ABSOLUTELY Should they be subject to the laws of the country that their actions took place in ? ABSOLUTELY Should they be prosecuted in the US according to US law ? I DON'T THINK SO. |
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2012, 08:20:35 AM » |
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Either the world has changed in the past 20+ years or back then when I was going to high school no one talked about it or was made public.
Our small K-12 school system 25 kids in each class in the past few years we have had an art teacher fired for smoking marijuana after school in his classroom, a 5th grader telling his teacher he would like to F her to her face (she is hot and wears mini-skirts but doesn't make it right to say that), and an 8th grader taking pics of his privates and sending to a 6th grade girl.
I tend to think stuff like this happened very seldom back 20+ years ago, but today's morals of what is right and wrong has gotten worse in general.
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2012, 08:22:15 AM » |
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Finally back on topic. First........... I AGREE that what the teachers did was wrong. HOWEVER, I have a REAL problem with people being prosecuted by the US for something done within the borders of a sovereign foreign country. Especially, if the act was NOT a crime in that country. Where does it STOP ? That is a gray area (and I hate gray). If took drugs in another country and came back no problem, If would brought the drugs back with you there's a problem. If the had sex with young adults over there (morally there is a problem) but legally there is not. If you bring the young adults back with you there's a problem. And if they don't like our laws nothing is stopping them from leaving this country |
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2012, 08:29:44 AM » |
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It isn't a cut and dried case of being prosecuted for doing something over there that's illegal here, in this case, there is a standing US law prohibiting US citizens from sex with minors, even if they're in a municipality where it's otherwise legal. (A nuance, but an important one, I know of no US law prohibiting a US citizen from smoking a doobie in a jurisdiction where smoking a doobie is otherwise legal.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003Authorizes fines and/or imprisonment for up to 30 years for U.S. citizens or residents who engage in illicit sexual conduct abroad, with or without the intent of engaging in such sexual misconduct.
For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age.
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2012, 08:30:55 AM » |
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Finally back on topic. First........... I AGREE that what the teachers did was wrong. HOWEVER, I have a REAL problem with people being prosecuted by the US for something done within the borders of a sovereign foreign country. Especially, if the act was NOT a crime in that country. Where does it STOP ? For example almost every drug that is ILLEGAL here in the US is LEGAL in Amsterdam. Do we start drug testing all US citizens after they visit Amsterdam and do we prosecute all the ones who fail their drug test ? or Prostitution is legal in Germany, but it is illegal in 49 US States. Do we prosecute ANY US citizen residing in one of those 49 states if they are found conducting "business" in a German brothel ? Should these teachers lose their jobs ? ABSOLUTELY Should they be subject to the laws of the country that their actions took place in ? ABSOLUTELY Should they be prosecuted in the US according to US law ? I DON'T THINK SO. You make some terrific points! The one concerning drug use outside of the US, in particular, is of interest. Many drugs stay in your system for some time,....ex: pot can hang around from 3 to 30 days. If you get randomly tested and it comes back positive, now you have to prove that the drug was used outside of the US only. You can show receipts for your trip, but how do you prove that you didn't use before you left or after you came back? While the use may not be prosecutable, the test is not used to determine where and when the drug was used, just that the testee has used. That's what the testor is trying to determine. I think (my opinion only) that the teachers should be prosecuted here because if consent was signed by the parents for the trip, then there is a contract that was put together here in the US. I don't think that breaking the contract outside of the borders where it was signed is grounds to not pursue. I could be wrong. |
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« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2012, 08:34:22 AM » |
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Authorizes fines and/or imprisonment for up to 30 years for U.S. citizens or residents who engage in illicit sexual conduct abroad, with or without the intent of engaging in such sexual misconduct.
For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age.
If these were High School Seniors or Juniors, I doubt that this law would apply.......... As they should have been older than 16. |
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« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2012, 08:37:35 AM » |
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Authorizes fines and/or imprisonment for up to 30 years for U.S. citizens or residents who engage in illicit sexual conduct abroad, with or without the intent of engaging in such sexual misconduct.
For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age.
Was not aware of this new law For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age. Previous US law was less strict, only punishing those having sex either in contravention of local laws OR in commerce (prostitution); but did not prohibit non-commercial sex with, for example, a 14 year-old if such sex was legal in the foreign territory. I stand corrected |
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« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2012, 08:37:58 AM » |
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Authorizes fines and/or imprisonment for up to 30 years for U.S. citizens or residents who engage in illicit sexual conduct abroad, with or without the intent of engaging in such sexual misconduct.
For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age.
If these were High School Seniors or Juniors, I doubt that this law would apply.......... As they should have been older than 16. Good point, I was thinking more in generic terms, but yeah, in this specific case this hopefully wouldn't apply... |
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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2012, 08:41:20 AM » |
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I think (my opinion only) that the teachers should be prosecuted here because if consent was signed by the parents for the trip, then there is a contract that was put together here in the US. I don't think that breaking the contract outside of the borders where it was signed is grounds to not pursue. I could be wrong. That is definitely a point that some of our "Legal Eagles" here would need to weigh in on. I would think that there is a possibility of them being sued in civil court over the contract issue. I just have a REAL problem with the US Government prosecuting citizens for things that occurred on foreign soil. But then THESE DAYS I have A LOT of problems with MANY things that the US Government is doing. |
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2012, 08:46:40 AM » |
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I just have a REAL problem with the US Government prosecuting citizens for things that occurred on foreign soil.
But then THESE DAYS I have A LOT of problems with MANY things that the US Government is doing.
(In my opinion) I wouldn't have an issue with it if the didn't try to skate around the law, If they went to a country and had sex with native people that age and it was legal there, then fine, but bringing it back here makes it a hole different situation. |
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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2012, 09:40:01 AM » |
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I just have a REAL problem with the US Government prosecuting citizens for things that occurred on foreign soil.
But then THESE DAYS I have A LOT of problems with MANY things that the US Government is doing.
(In my opinion) I wouldn't have an issue with it if the didn't try to skate around the law, If they went to a country and had sex with native people that age and it was legal there, then fine, but bringing it back here makes it a hole different situation. That thought process is along the same lines that the Alabama prosecutor used to Charge the guy whose wife drowned while on their honeymoon in Australia............ http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-12/wife-scuba-death-trial/53056674/1 The prosecution alleged that the crime was conceived in the US and therefore should be prosecuted in the US. NEVER MIND the fact that he had been tried, convicted and served time already in Australia. AT LEAST the JUDGE didn't BUY IT.................. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/10488854-alabama-man-acquitted-in-wifes-honeymoon-death?lite |
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« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 01:48:06 PM » |
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He raises the poor from the dust. He lifts the needy from the trash heap in order to make them sit with nobles and even to make them inherit a glorious throne. "The pillars of the earth are the LORD's. He has set the world on them.
The New Testament focuses more on the life and teachings of Jesus and the Christian church. The Old Testament talks about the history of the creation of the World, the exodus of Israelites, and the Ten Commandments given to Moses by God. ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!! YOU have NO right to challenge ANYONE'S intelligence!! "Augment, calm, pastures,etc." You really base your "beliefs" on wikipedia!?!?!? You actually believe the Bible says the planet earth is sitting on pillars!?!? So, in your mind it's ok to take THAT verse literally but NOT any verse that says Jesus is God's Son? You're headed in the right direction on the Testament difference, but the short version is.....Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament Law...something WE couldn't do. That's why we no longer live under the Law, but under Grace. It's obvious that you are not qualified to discuss the Bible with any semblance of intelligence, so I'll let you go on your way. However, if you continue to misquote God's Word I will embarass you again. I'm out. P.S. You STILL didn't answer about Jesus's REAL name. (Christ is not His last name, but that's not what you said) |
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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 01:50:24 PM » |
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I'm glad they'll be prosecuted!! I think it's because they are all U.S. citizens that
they'll be under our laws.
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