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valky1500
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« on: July 28, 2012, 01:10:15 PM »

I thought I would share my experience with anyone who takes notice in this forum.
My 98 standard has been the most reliable ride to date, that is until recently.

Actually it started last summer with the little hesitations and stalls from idle at the red lights. First thing I did was added Sea Foam to the gas and it got to the point of whole cans per tank with little to no lasting results. That's when I started searching the forums for answers and this forum stood out amoung them all.

I started looking things over real close and then replaced the vacuum tube from #6 to petcock because there was a weak spot for a possible bend where it joined the carb tube. I then opened up the fuel petcock to look inside and found a nipple broken off the plastic part inside so took a rebuild kit to it and that eliminated the petcock but the problem was still apparent.

At one point I actually pulled out the carbs to replace the jets with 38's and 108's respectively. While in there I checked the floats and used carb cleaner to spray them out until they were nice and shinny again and they looked real nice. After I buttoned it all up there was a leak at the bowl so I had to take them out again to verify and replace the float bowl gasket. That eliminated the carbs as the culprite. The problem still appeared and it became worse over time.

During this whole time I would pull out and check the spark plugs and thought about changing coils. The plugs looked nice and I cleaned them with a wire brush each time anyhow. One day it would run real sweet and the next it would hurky-jerky and maybe even stall at any point. There was a real problem with stalling while in traffic and that makes for a few cold sweats. Especially when those cars from behind started to get too close. By any account the problem was still there.

The summer is half over now and for the past 2 weeks I've been pulling off the gas tank and looking for leaks at the air box, carbs, tubes or anyplace else. After changing the mains and slows I have been thinking about resetting those front 2 needles to #2 position and maybe that would solve the problem. Anyway, now was as good a time to try it.

After opening them up, one by one, I found them all to be sticky inside and covered with a brownish-yellow (or yellowish-brown depending on where you're from Cheesy) film that I recognized as the gunk caused by long-term use of burning gasoline and oil in all engines. I used a carb cleaner and wiped off all surfaces with a clean rag before it dried. Both on the needle and slide and then sprayed it right into the carb itself. Not too much, just enough to loosen it. I was very surprised to see just how dirty they all were.

Remember to do them 1 at a time for obvious reasons.

Well I just buttoned it all up and took it out for a 25 mile ride and the problem is not to be found or seen since. The idle is even back to where it should be and as smooth as ever. How sweet that is.

Is it too soon to say, maybe. Wifey just asked me where I got that big grin on my face from ear to ear and that just might last all day long or more. Let's see what she knows.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 02:07:41 PM »

I haven't had that issue with my Valkyrie but I frequently had it with my V-Max. It would sit around a lot and when I'd get it out for a ride it would run like crap. Over the years I learned to simply pop off the top of the diaphragm covers to pull out the diaphragms and jet needles. I'd clean them up with whatever was handy and I was good to go. Usually, for me, it was a build up of varnish on the jet needle. This, of course, leans out the mixture whenever the dirty needle was in play within the main jet. Many here swear by Techron fuel system cleaner or Berryman B-12 as they are more aggressive than Sea Foam. On my Valkyrie I've had to replace idle jets (put in 38's and adjusted the pilot screws to 1-3/4 turns out) but that's the extent of it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 02:49:23 PM »

Glad it is running good again. Since you had already cleaned the carbs, what is the source of the sticky yellowish-brown stuff?  Bad gasoline or maybe many applications of major doses of Sea Foam?
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 07:12:49 PM »

Sticky stuff is usually in my experience bad old gas.
Gets gunky sitting over time.
Forms almost for lack of a better term a shellac like substance.
Im one of those Techron, Berryman believers.
Berrymans is very aggresive stuff.
It can and does take the paint off if spilled.
Techrons perfect.
I use a few ozs of it in the tank every other fillup or so in both bikes.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 08:32:39 AM »

My feeling is that the rules are all changed with the advent of ethanol enriched gasoline.

Carburetor deposits, crap on the carb insides and all the rest.

Similar, but it is changed and different cures for problems also.

Mostly dealing with organic  based problems now.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 09:53:56 PM »

I haven't had this problem, but then I place Seafoam in my tank for winter storage, and when I refill that first tank of the year I add a full can of carb cleaner. I'm trying different ones, Berryman's B-12, Techron.

I also do my best to fill up at Chevron stations now.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 06:36:19 AM »

When you cleaned the Carbs did you check the Bulk Hose Vacuum lines attached to each carb? On my Valk (01' w/27k) all 6 of these tubes were cracked at their ends, and were causing the same problems you have described.
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valky1500
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 08:23:42 PM »

RickyD...
I have long heard of the many wonders of Ethanol when it's sipped slowly.

It also runs fine in fuel injected engines and that's because of the electronic sensors that recognize the changes of oxygen in the exhaust gas and the ECU can make those adjustments. But that's not so with carberators that are manually set. And we have 6 of those.

It seems that aclohol also burns dirty in engines that aren't real high in compression ratios like diesels or dragsters with tubos or superchargers. The 9.8:1 naturally aspirated engine that valkyries have isn't near high enough for this fuel that is basically a high octain gas.

Another matter concerning Ethanol is that it changes the fuel air ratio (FAR) and won't run well at the standard 14.7:1 setting like our carbs are set to run at.

Ethanol fuels also retain water and this makes me wonder of those who are so concerned about the fuel petcock and floats leaking to be causing the problems of Hydrolock and what is really causing the problems.

Couldn't it instead be that water is in the cylinder from the Ethanol fuel they pumped in unknowingly. It makes me wonder because yes I do agree with you RickD, the rules have changed.
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valky1500
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2012, 08:31:02 PM »

Joshcornkid:
My valkyrie has experienced the desmog many moons ago and it no longer has any " Bulk Hose Vacuum lines attached to each carb.".

Good suggetion though and thanks.
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I have taken notice to those who use that word (Precautionary) and abide by it are not only very happy in life...
but they also live long and prosper.  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2012, 08:37:57 PM »

I also want to mention that I put the foam insert back over the K&N filter inside the air box. Cold starts and idle is back to normal. Doing this seems to have enrichend the air before the carbs and that made all the difference in driveability.
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but they also live long and prosper.  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 01:54:20 PM »

Joshcornkid:
My valkyrie has experienced the desmog many moons ago and it no longer has any " Bulk Hose Vacuum lines attached to each carb.".

Good suggetion though and thanks.

It may not have any vacuum lines, but what was used to block off the ports on each carb? If some type of rubber nipple, they are now many moons old and could be leaking.
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