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Author Topic: I don't go to church or pound a Bible, but this still bothers the Hell out of me  (Read 989 times)
Fudd
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« on: August 06, 2012, 11:28:13 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/05/arizona-man-sent-to-jail-for-holding-bible-studies-in-his-home/

So, let me get this straight.  The swat team dragged this preacher off to jail because his activity goes against a zoning ordnance?  Right?

It seems like I remember stuff in the constitution about; freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom to hold "peacful assemblies," but I don't remember any clause that says, "unless they violate a zoning statute."

Had he been holding a Tupperware party, a barbeque, or anything else, nothing would have been said about it.

So what do they plan on doing if he continues to operate his criminal interprise once released.....crucify him?
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 11:32:06 AM »

We're circling the drain.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 11:34:45 AM »

I read a lot on this and apparantly he built a "church" on his property that wasnt zoned for churches and he called it a game room on the permitting.  The story I read said he wasnt being arrested for having a Bible study...it was for misrepresenting the structure and then having people attend at a structure that wasnt up to code.  He said only family was in attendance but that part was unclear.

I think its a case for Paul Harvey.......Whats "The rest of the story"
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 11:42:00 AM »

I read a lot on this and apparantly he built a "church" on his property that wasnt zoned for churches and he called it a game room on the permitting.  The story I read said he wasnt being arrested for having a Bible study...it was for misrepresenting the structure and then having people attend at a structure that wasnt up to code.  He said only family was in attendance but that part was unclear.

I think its a case for Paul Harvey.......Whats "The rest of the story"

I guess my question remains:  Would the swat team raid ever have occured if he was having a Tupperware party?
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 11:44:23 AM »

As Chris said, you've gotta get below the headline for the real story on this one. This wasn't some simple home bible study group.

This guy built a 2,000 square foot "game room" next to his house and held church services with 40-50 people in it.

Now, we can debate if zoning laws should be allowed, but if this guy was building a 2,000 square foot building next to his house and having Obama campaign rallies, I'd be willing to bet he'd still be getting the same treatment.

Here's a writeup from a more local source:

http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-news/2012/07/11/phoenix-preacher-jailed-in-zoning-dispute/
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 12:02:35 PM »

While I understand the sentiment and concern, I also understand that zoning laws are there for a reason.  I don't agree with them all but, I can assure you if someone, anyone were having weekly or daily gatherings of large numbers of people and lots of vehicles that parking was not provided for on the property or, causing traffic issues mulitple times a day or week, then I'd probably be looking into the zoning laws also.  

It's one thing to be holding a gathering once in a while but, once or twice a day or mulitple times per week is not why I bought, built or live where I live.  Doesn't matter to me if it's a self proclaimed preacher, cub scout group or motorcycle club.  My rights only go so far but, the same is true of my neighbor's rights.  As far as the police actions, I don't have a clue as to why they took the actions they did or what charges were brought.  

About once a year I host the Bluegrass Fieros Annual BBQ and Lying Contest.  Prior to that event, I tell each and every one of my neighbors about the event, described what it's all about, discussed the number of potential visitors and overflow parking.  I also invite them to attend, some do but, some don't.  Only ever had one problem and that was when one of my visitors decided to give very spirited rides through the neighborhood.  The neighbor told me and I put a stop to it.    The point of telling this is, zoning laws are more than just rules to restrict us but, they are also guidelines on how to keep from pissing yer neighbors off.  

Additionally, it's pretty obvious from the provided description of his "game room" that he was attempting to get around the zoning laws.  That's fraud, cheating or lying no matter how you look at it IMHO.   We are a society that has too many laws in my opinion but, they are there and are either followed or when caught, you pay the piper.  He got caught.

BTW, so far, I've won the Lying Contest every year.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 12:14:09 PM »

BTW, so far, I've won the Lying Contest every year.  Wink

...and this guy lost the Lying Contest he was holding with City hall...  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 12:15:05 PM »

Thanks Chris & Serk for the additional information.

That's the trouble with news reports, the ALL put their spins on the facts to suit their agendas.

So maybe I no longer have the Hell bothered out of me about that......I'm sure I'll find something else. 2funny
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 12:24:40 PM »

I read a lot on this and apparantly he built a "church" on his property that wasnt zoned for churches and he called it a game room on the permitting.  The story I read said he wasnt being arrested for having a Bible study...it was for misrepresenting the structure and then having people attend at a structure that wasnt up to code.  He said only family was in attendance but that part was unclear.

I think its a case for Paul Harvey.......Whats "The rest of the story"

I guess my question remains:  Would the swat team raid ever have occured if he was having a Tupperware party?


I believe associations with bad guys in his past probably led to the coppers feeling like they needed reinforcements.  Again, things arent always as the media portrays them (surprise surprise) I too am disgusted by the way some Christians are treated here in America today....Im just not convinced this is an anti Christian action
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 01:02:19 PM »

I should have known better than to take this story at face value.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 04:26:29 PM »

I'm usually up on these sort of things, was the arrest the result of ZONING ordinances?

that seems to be something that would result in a fine not time in the local hooch.

if this is christian harrasment a pox on them!
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 05:25:18 PM »

that seems to be something that would result in a fine not time in the local hooch.

Keep in mind, we're talking about Maricopa County Arizona here, home of Sheriff Joe Arpaio... Not exactly a haven of left leaning liberals.

From the article I linked above:

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“When we talk about (Neighborhood Services Division) investigations and the thousands every year, very, very few of those cases turn into criminal cases,” Carreon-Ainsa said. “We had the option of filing another set of civil cases. Why would we do that if a person consistently disobeys the law and we’ve tried the civil avenue and that doesn’t cause him to change his behavior? We then look for another tool in the toolbox, and in Phoenix, it’s a criminal case.”
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