Help' new petcock came today

[jimmytee]

Hopefully my concern is for nothing,but I got my new pingle today and I'm worried it is not the right one. Someone please chime in here. I ordered the 1311-CH from Amazon. The description said it was for the Valkyrie and others here said it was the valve to get. My package came and it has a sticker on the bottom that says it is the 1311-CH.  This petcock has a 1/4" output though and I was under the understanding that it was supposed to be a 3/8". The SS5P filter that came is a 3/8". Please respond anyone.  Am I going to have to fight with sending this one back and waiting again or the correct one or is this one right?
Thanks
Jim

[Gavin_Sons]

Im pretty sure thats the same pingel I put on mine. The spring type hose clamp would not hold the fuel line on tight enough so I used a screw type. I dont have any problems.

[Chrisj CMA]

The smaller output is really a blessing.  get you one of them tiny hose clamp things that you use a screwdriver to tighten.  They seal great and when you need to take the tank off.......unscrew and the sucker jumps off.  No more prying and cussing because you cant get the right angle on it

[jimmytee]

Chris'
The packaging includes instructions that describe how to identify which model of valve  you have.  These instructions indicate that the 3/8" and the 1/4" have different sized thread openings where it threads into the tank. That's how I understand it anyways. Also I'm thinking if it is supposed to be a 3/8", and I install this 1/4",if possible,I might also still have the starving issue. I haven't taken the tank off yet,just my observation upon receipt of the new pingle. Looks nice. I just need to know if it's correct.
Thanks
 Jim

[Gavin_Sons]

Im seeing that 4311-ch is the one you probably want. Its listed on pingel web site for the valkyrie. Wish I still had my package, ill go out and look to see if thete is a part number on mine.

[jimmytee]

Im seeing that 4311-ch is the one you probably want. Its listed on pingel web site for the valkyrie. Wish I still had my package, ill go out and look to see if thete is a part number on mine.

4311-CH?????

[Chrisj CMA]

1311 is just fine........the 4311 has the control to the rear........yo will be just fine with what you have

[shooter64]

As much as I hate to mess with something that is working fine, I think I am going to order one. Better to do it now before it messes up. Seems like it is just a matter of time on the OE.

[X Ring]

Hopefully my concern is for nothing,but I got my new pingle today and I'm worried it is not the right one. Someone please chime in here. I ordered the 1311-CH from Amazon. The description said it was for the Valkyrie and others here said it was the valve to get. My package came and it has a sticker on the bottom that says it is the 1311-CH.  This petcock has a 1/4" output though and I was under the understanding that it was supposed to be a 3/8". The SS5P filter that came is a 3/8". Please respond anyone.  Am I going to have to fight with sending this one back and waiting again or the correct one or is this one right?
Thanks
Jim

Jim, I have the 1311-CH on both my Valks.  Do what ChrisJ says and get a hose clamp that uses the screw to tighten it up.  You won't have a problem.

Marty

[jimmytee]

Jim, I have the 1311-CH on both my Valks.  Do what ChrisJ says and get a hose clamp that uses the screw to tighten it up.  You won't have a problem.

Marty
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Thanks
Jim

[Brian]

My Pingel is the 1311 too. Ordered it from EasternPerformance.com the product code is TR030547.The valve instructions syas it is a Power-Flo H-D Metric Fuel Valve. I have the 3/8 fuel connection using the stainless steel worm gear type clamp with the plastic thumb tab. No tools required to remove the fuel line.  :cooldude:No problems with the installation or with fuel delivery to the motor.

[jimmytee]

Brian,
That's my issue. Now you say that you have the 1311 with a 3/8" connection. The 1311 I have is does not have a 3/8" connection but a 1/4".  The  pingle fuel filter with the SS5P part # is a 3/8" connection. It is clearly bigger.On their web site it doesn't seem to specify the size of the outlet,but the connection size where it fits to the tank or inlet if you prefer.
The guys above seem to be saying that what I have is correct,but now your post has given me reason to doubt again.
My package has a label identifying my valve as the 1311-CH. Like I said in my earlier post, I thought it was supposed to have a 3/8" outlet . I derived this from previous posts by others on the subject and the fact that those postings also suggested the SS5P fuel filter.  The fuel filter has 3/8" pipe connection barbs.  That is for certain. My concern is that either I misunderstood what size the pingle 1311-CH outlet size was or I have been sent the wrong valve with the wrong labeling. The label identifies my valve as a 1311-Ch.
Thanks
Jim

[rider]

Just recieved the same valve you got yesterday for my scoot i had some similar questions and called pingel directly they assured me that part number is absolutely correct for the valkyrie and should have no issues my only small problem was the oem fuel screen was stuck but a little persuasion with a screw extractor took care of it.

[sheets]

The 1311 CH is the correct valve. Its been eight years since I did the switch, but if my memory serves me correctly, you have to change the size of the fuel line between the valve and the "T" where the fuel line splits to each side. The little screw-type mini-hose clamp works fine.  sheets

[jimmytee]

I am not questioning whether the 1311-CH is the correct valve. My concern is whether the valve that I was sent,with the label identifying it as a 1311-CH, is actually a 1311-CH. I was expecting the 1311-CH to have a 3/8" outlet for the connection of the fuel line. The one I have has a 1/4" connection. My question is whether that is correct.   the posts above don't give me a definite answer to what the actual outlet size of the 1311CH is so I can know that the valve I have is indeed a 1311-CH.
,
Rider,
 Does your pingle 1311 have a 1/4" outlet? What is the measurement of the inside diameter of teh outlet on your pingle?
Hope you have it handy. It would seem to answer my question and put my concern to rest.
Thanks
jim

[Brian]

Jimmytee,
I assume your new valve looks like this but without the tube extension?




I hope this helps. My outlet tube may not be 3/8. With the gas line pushed tight against the valve body I am seeing the base of the tube where it attaches the body. Later today I will pull the gas line back enough to measure the OD.

This valve is the 1311 that Pingel states will fit our bike.

[Chrisj CMA]

I am not questioning whether the 1311-CH is the correct valve. My concern is whether the valve that I was sent,with the label identifying it as a 1311-CH, is actually a 1311-CH. I was expecting the 1311-CH to have a 3/8" outlet for the connection of the fuel line. The one I have has a 1/4" connection. My question is whether that is correct.   the posts above don't give me a definite answer to what the actual outlet size of the 1311CH is so I can know that the valve I have is indeed a 1311-CH.
,
Rider,
 Does your pingle 1311 have a 1/4" outlet? What is the measurement of the inside diameter of teh outlet on your pingle?
Hope you have it handy. It would seem to answer my question and put my concern to rest.
Thanks
jim

Geez-O-Wiz

Go get a hose clamp (smallest one they make)

Take the tank off

Install the valve...(if it screwes on you have the right part)

Put the tank back on

Go for a long ride...........and quit the whining already

[jimmytee]

Chris,
I'm sorry. If you're tired of my posts. I thought I had a reasonable question that could be answered or cleared up quickly here.  I have had guys post that, with great intentions, the 1311-CH  is the right valve. Again, this fact was not my query. 
In the midst of coming home Friday,after a 15.5 hr work day,finding my valve had arrived,  working all day yesterday on an emergency service call, I thought I might get my question about the valve I received answered. This while checking in from time to time  to see what my fellow VRCC members may have posted. Each time I checked, it seems the answers were mainly dealing with whether the 1311-CH was the right valve. Again, I think and hope by now that I have established that this was not my issue.
Sure, I could have taken the tank off,removed the OEM petcock,and found out by trial and error whether it was the right one or not. However, I have not had the time and as a service technician myself, usually prefer to establish that the parts I replace are the right ones beforehand. My bike runs now, it just acts as if it is starving a little under demand at speeds over 80 mph. This is as much a preventive type repair as a corrective repair.
Again, my apologies to you Chris if it seems like I'm being unreasonable. 

[Chrisj CMA]

If you are having fuel starvation, its not really just preventitive......Its a needed repair....the next phase is major starvation at speeds you cant ignore...been there done that.........

[jimmytee]

Brian,
 Thanks for the pic. I held up the valve I have to it and it looks very much like it if not exactly. Not absolutely sure I could see or tell if there were to be  an 1/8"  difference . I do appreciate it though. I'll probably go ahead, later today, and try the one I have.
Thanks again
Jim

[Brian]

Jimmytee,

Just came back from a breakfast run so the bike is out, checked the OD of the fuel valve at 7/16 using a dial caliper.

I should remind you here that your reserve amount will be less if you don't extend the tube. This should not be a problem if you are one to keep an eye on your mileage between fill ups.

To drain the tank safely you will need something to pull a vacuum on the OEM fuel valve.

Good luck,

[Chrisj CMA]

Jimmytee,

Just came back from a breakfast run so the bike is out, checked the OD of the fuel valve at 7/16 using a dial caliper.

I should remind you here that your reserve amount will be less if you don't extend the tube. This should not be a problem if you are one to keep an eye on your mileage between fill ups.

To drain the tank safely you will need something to pull a vacuum on the OEM fuel valve.

Good luck,

There is no need to drain the tank to R/R the petcock.  Just ride it until its well below half, then just stand it on its nose once its off and the guts of the valve will be in clear air and no gas will come out when you remove it. 

[Brian]

Jimmytee,

Just came back from a breakfast run so the bike is out, checked the OD of the fuel valve at 7/16 using a dial caliper.

I should remind you here that your reserve amount will be less if you don't extend the tube. This should not be a problem if you are one to keep an eye on your mileage between fill ups.

To drain the tank safely you will need something to pull a vacuum on the OEM fuel valve.

Good luck,

There is no need to drain the tank to R/R the petcock.  Just ride it until its well below half, then just stand it on its nose once its off and the guts of the valve will be in clear air and no gas will come out when you remove it. 

Chris, I am too clumsy to try something like this. If time is not an issue I take the long way. This upgrade presents a good opportunity to completely drain the tank of the bottom gunk. I used two sawhorses to set the tank on to allow it to drain into a gas can while I installed the new in line fuel filter.

[X Ring]

Ok Jimmy, you're getting confused because you don't know what Pingel part numbers mean. The first 1 indicates it is a 1000 series petcock and that means it has the valve handle on the left side.  The 3 indicates it has a 22mm nut for attaching to the tank.  The next 1 means it has a 5/16ths outlet nipple pointing forward and the last 1 means it has reserve and is not a race valve.  I believe the 1/4 vs 3/8 confusion you are having is actually the nut size not the outlet size.  As far as the outlet size, you're only talking about 1/16th of an inch.  The stock fuel line size is 8mm which converts to 21/64ths and that is between 1/4 (16/64ths) and 3/8ths (24/64ths).  You are really making much ado about nothing.  Everyone that is using a Pingel told you they are using the 1311 petcock.  Only difference is whether they have the chrome or aluminum version and that doesn't matter because you can't see it anyway.

http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_valve_positions.htm

Here is Pingel's application chart.  You will see Pingel specs the 1311 for Valkyries.

http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_frames.htm

Marty

[Brian]

Ok Jimmy, you're getting confused because you don't know what Pingel part numbers mean. The first 1 indicates it is a 1000 series petcock and that means it has the valve handle on the left side.  The 3 indicates it has a 22mm nut for attaching to the tank.  The next 1 means it has a 5/16ths outlet nipple pointing forward and the last 1 means it has reserve and is not a race valve.  I believe the 1/4 vs 3/8 confusion you are having is actually the nut size not the outlet size.  As far as the outlet size, you're only talking about 1/16th of an inch.  The stock fuel line size is 8mm which converts to 21/64ths and that is between 1/4 (16/64ths) and 3/8ths (24/64ths).  You are really making much ado about nothing.  Everyone that is using a Pingel told you they are using the 1311 petcock.  Only difference is whether they have the chrome or aluminum version and that doesn't matter because you can't see it anyway.


+1 X-ring. Excellent explaination. I can't blame him for wanting to make he is making the right decission.

http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_valve_positions.htm

Here is Pingel's application chart.  You will see Pingel specs the 1311 for Valkyries.

http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_application_frames.htm

Marty

[jimmytee]

Ok X Ring, you say much ado but all I've asked is whether there can be someone here who can confirm for me that whether the 1311 has a 1/4" outlet or a 3/8" outlet. Others posted, here I go again, that the filter to get with the pingle, was the SS5P which has a 3/8" barb fitting. If I'm confused, tell me. What is the outlet size of the 1311. What is the inside diameter. Are you telling me an 1/8" too small in a pipe diameter that controls ,or is the path of fuel delivery ,doesn't matter?

The reason for me changing is a starvation issue. If For some reason the valve I was sent is WRONG and was packaged INCORRECTLY, I wanted to know before installing it. Like I have said many times already, my understanding before hand was that the pingle 1311 had a 3/8"  fuel outlet connection. If I'm wrong, great, if not then the valve I have is WRONG. I can try by trial and error, but just did not see it as being a big deal in asking what I thought was a very specific question.
Thanks
Jim

[Chrisj CMA]

Is it installed yet? 

[Brian]

jimmytee,

How are you measuring the oulet tube? Go by the outside diameter not the inside. I bet you have the right valve. X-ring explained the numbering to you for the valve. No one else on this blog has ever complained about not receiving the right valve. I suppose there is always the first time. Have you compared it to the fuel filter? The fuel line will be measured by the inside diameter so it slips over the fuel filter tube ends as well as the fuel valve.

[jimmytee]

Brian,
Yes indeedydodoo  I ordered both and have both right in front of me for comparison which is why my question came up in the first place. The filter ,which has the size for the pipe connections right on the package as 3/8", has obviously bigger pipe connections. 3/8" inside diameter  by actual measurement which corresponds to what the package claims. The pingle 1311-CH has an outlet pipe size that is 1/4" inside diameter.  :coolsmiley:At least the one I have

My question,  boy this seems like it is way harder than it needs to be, , was a result of the above and that before ordering I had read numerous posts on this subject and maybe I made the wrong assumption/conclusion,but I was thinking that the 1311-CH  had a 3/8" pipe outlet. When I examined that what I received was different than what I expected, because of the obvious contrast in comparison between the petcock and the fuel filter pipe sizes, I began this little topic for the express purpose of resolving my concern.

I was trying to get a solid answer as to whether the 1311-CH was suppose to have the 1/4" outlet. The one I have does. If  it is so, than I have the right valve and I misunderstood read my assumption/conclusion.
 

[X Ring]

No Jimmy.  The 1311 has neither a 1/4" or a 3/8" outlet.  It has a 5/16ths" outlet nipple.  Did you actually read my last post?  If you did you would know the 1 in the 3rd digit of the part number indicates the petcock has a 5/16ths outlet nipple.

Cut the stock fuel line and install your fuel filter then take a section of the removed fuel line and install it between the filter and petcock.  If you end up with fuel starvation it will not be the result of the petcock but your filter not flowing enough fuel.

Marty 

[Chrisj CMA]

Is it installed yet?

[fudgie]

Make sure you do cut the line to install your filter or it will pinch because its to long. Like they said, get a small hose clamp. Makes getting the tank off a charm next time also.

[valky1500]

I don't mean to butt in here but as X Ring pointed out it does say:
"The third digit represents the size and position of the outlet. 1 = 5/16” hose barb straight out "
for the 1311-CH.
http://www.pingelonline.com/powerflo_valve_positions.htm

In which that means it's for a 5/16" fuel line. Even though it's metric on the Valkyrie's, that is a 5/16" fuel line and it fits perfectly.

[jimmytee]

Chris and everyone else,
I do thankyou for your time and input .
Xring, it may be 5/16" I won't quibble about a 1/16" My measurement before looked more like 1/4" inside diameter.
Never the less, this morning I finally got to install the new petcock and filter. Have not taken it for a test ride yet, raining this morning    I did find some issues, though,  that more likely is the cause of my starving issue. What do you know,but I found two cracked vacuum lines  each at the nipple  on two carbs. I was able to trim off the bad piece and reconnect,but I'll be replacing these lines soon. Anyone know a good source? I still think that replacing the petcock was a good investment, given what others have experienced.
Thanks
jim

[Chrisj CMA]

Chris and everyone else,
I do thankyou for your time and input .
Xring, it may be 5/16" I won't quibble about a 1/16" My measurement before looked more like 1/4" inside diameter.
Never the less, this morning I finally got to install the new petcock and filter. Have not taken it for a test ride yet, raining this morning    I did find some issues, though,  that more likely is the cause of my starving issue. What do you know,but I found two cracked vacuum lines  each at the nipple  on two carbs. I was able to trim off the bad piece and reconnect,but I'll be replacing these lines soon. Anyone know a good source? I still think that replacing the petcock was a good investment, given what others have experienced.
Thanks
jim

Well, Congrats....

For the vacuum line, just go to your local auto zone (or similar) and buy a couple feet of 5/32 ID fuel/vacuum line.  should cost you a buck or three.  Then find the instructions for the string procedure and replace them vacuum lines and get new plugs for the unused nipples. 

Tighten the intake runner clamps (18 screws) and snug up the exhaust header nuts.

Without doing a complete desmog, thats the best way you get the motor tightened up as far as vacuum leaks.

BTW everyone else measured the outer diameter of the output nipples so they can match the hose by inner diameter for the application.  Thats why you had a conflict with the 1/4 and the 5/16  just sayin

[jimmytee]

De smog? Don't believe my bike has ever been smogged. Thanks though. I see the sun trying, will be going out in a bit to try it out. I did,  upon go through and check those screws while looking, when I found the cracked vacuum lines.

[Led]

Im pretty sure thats the same pingel I put on mine. The spring type hose clamp would not hold the fuel line on tight enough so I used a screw type. I dont have any problems.

That is the one!  And yes.....you need the screw type clamp. I was a tad perplexed for a moment myself, when I got to that point, and the hose would practically just "fall off" again with the stock spring clamp.......