Political and religious (or irreligious) posts

[Willow]

What about it, folks?  Is this a fruitful place to recruit converts?

[Willow]

Since you asked, it's because they're very much like us.  They're twins.  They're very much alike.  If you look closely you'll notice one is slightly taller than the other; one is wearing brown and one is wearing blue; one's smile leans left and the other's leans right; one embraces low and the other one embraces high; one is sun darkened and one is fair; one takes care of newborns and one wiped my butt when I could not (Don't ever tell her I said that).

They are very much alike and yet they are quite different.

Aren't we?

[Black Pearl's Captain]

This poll is rigged. There is no plain and simple Yes vote.

And does this religous question involve any virgins?

Raymond

[MP]

Did you say something Willow?
MP

[John Schmidt]

Hafta go back and change my vote. 

[MP]

Oh, I get it.  There was a poll BEFORE that pic. Somehow I missed it!
MP

[RedValk]

is there a picture in the original post? All i see here on base is the dreaded red X.....

sometimes, being on base MIGHT have it advantages ...not being able to SEE the distractions 

[Willow]

is there a picture in the original post? All i see here on base is the dreaded red X...

Yes, Tim.  It's a picture of twin nurses.  Amanda was my nurse in CCU and Abigail, her twin sister, served in the maternity ward of the same hospital.  They are beautiful young ladies with gorgeous smiles and in this picture they are both modestly attired.

In this case, the red X is a definite step down.   

[Willow]

This poll is rigged. There is no plain and simple Yes vote.

And does this religous question involve any virgins?

Raymond

Yes, Raymond.  I'm taking lessons from the professional pollsters.  I really don't want your opinion; I just want to make my point.   

Indeed, I think we can include the Virginians.



Oh, wait.  Those aren't Virginians.  Here's one.



More Virginians.

[Michael K (Az.)]

 

[Big IV]

  Willow, nice poll, I was thinking along those lines earlier as I skipped over more messages than I read.

[razor]

No, it's not very likely sommeone is going to change my mind. it's also not very likely I'm going to change someone else's mind either.

However, for me, I don't surf around on a lot of web sites, especially political ones.  I come to the VRCC board when I have a couple minutes sometimes several times a day and sometimes it may be a few days before I get to come back.  It's great reading about the Valkyrie stuff. It's great to keep up with my friends.  Absolutely no better place to obtain technical info! But I also like to catch up on views and news on the board. You are probably not going to change my mind on most things, but you may make me think about something I haven't formed an opinion on.  And sometiimes I enjoy reading the coments of others just to see how they think.  When I'm not in the mood I just don't read them.  I ain't gonna whine about it!

Of course if they don't agree with me........  (just kidding)   

[Willow]

... And sometiimes I enjoy reading the coments of others just to see how they think.  When I'm not in the mood I just don't read them. 

I'm with you all the way.  Unfortunately I don't feel that I have the option to skip over the ones in which I'm not interested.

I tire, though, of the name calling and unwarranted intellectual arrogance and I'm not thrilled at encountering long posts of material that has been copied from elsewhere and pasted here.

I like pictures (Where's Scooter?) sometimes.

Here's a religious picture just for Raymond 



and a little strip tease for the risque crowd.



and more Virginians



and pirates in motorcycle gear.

[3fan4life]

Indeed, I think we can include the Virginians.

Be careful Willow, you know what Bin Laden discovered about Virginians:     


 When Osama bin Laden died, he was met at the pearly gates
by George Washington, who slapped him across the face and
yelled: "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"

Patrick Henry approached, punched him in the nose and
shouted: "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed."

James Madison followed, kicked him in the groin and said:
"This is why I allowed our government to provide for the
common defense!"

Thomas Jefferson was next, beat Osama with a long cane
and snarled: "It was evil men like you who inspired me to
write the Declaration of Independence."

The beatings and thrashing continued as George Mason,
James Monroe and 64 other colonial Virginians unleashed
their anger on the terrorist leader.

As Osama lay bleeding and in pain, Muhammad appeared.
Bin Laden wept and said: "This is not what you promised me."

Muhammad replied: "I told you there would be 70 Virginians waiting for
you in Heaven. What did you think I said?

[Willow]

I enjoy that story, but I don't think Osama and George Washington will be spending the afterlife in the same place.

Oops.  I just noticed that in that last picture my zipper was open.

[Michael K (Az.)]

Naww, yer ridin jacket is all zipped up and ready to ride!

[Willow]

Naww, yer ridin jacket is all zipped up and ready to ride!

I'm the one on the right (with the left pocket showing).

[Michael K (Az.)]

Naww, yer ridin jacket is all zipped up and ready to ride!

I'm the one on the right (with the left pocket showing).

OK, I just didn't realize you had one of them fancy motorcycle jackets w/ the bells and whistles.

[Willow]

OK, I just didn't realize you had one of them fancy motorcycle jackets w/ the bells and whistles.

Yeah, I had trouble finding the zipper pulls wearing gloves so I replaced them with hardware store split rings.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Actually I have learned that what I thought I knew was wrong on at least one occasion thanks to this board.

It was my complete misunderstanding of what the Southern Flag meant. Many thanks to the Southern riders for educating me I might add. That led to a better (but still poor) understanding of the War Between the States and what lead to it.

I think that topic so long ago is what sparked my interest in the upcoming B/G ride. I don’t think I’m alone it that either.

[Scott in Ok]

From one political cycle to the next, I find out I not only have less respect for some folks that I didn't already respect, but I'm losing respect for folks who I respected.

(referring to folks here on the board)

Not that it matters much what i think.

-Scott

[BamaDrifter64]

Willow,

I didn't know  you were Paul Sr. of OCC fame....

why don't they ever show you riding your Valk on the show????   

Dave

[Jabba]

It's your world Willow... we're all just visiting.

Honestly, I have not noticed any of the political or religious posts... because I simply only read a few.  I know you don't have that luxury.

I like them.  I love the discussion.  It gives me the opportunity to sharpen my opinions.

Not that I change my opinion ever, but we all think we can change the minds of all the other stupid people in the world who are simply wrong about whatever they disagree with us about.

As a political plug... I am now the county chairman of the Libertarian Party, and I'm working toward protecting everyone's right to be wrong about things.

Jabba

[Doc Moose]

I'm working toward protecting everyone's right to be wrong about things.

Jabba

LOL, the "other" politicos may have beaten you to it! 

[Willow]

Willow,

I didn't know  you were Paul Sr. of OCC fame....

lol!  Yeah, Dave.  I don't see it myself, but I've been asked once or twice.

I like to tell people that someday I'm going to be so famous that people will say to Paul Sr., "Did you know you look a lot like Willow?"   

[hubcapsc]

Yeah, I had trouble finding the zipper pulls wearing gloves so I replaced them with hardware store split rings.

Well, that changes my opinion about zipper pulls, so I need to change my response to the poll... is there a button for that?

-Mike

[Willow]

It's your world Willow... we're all just visiting.

Honestly, I have not noticed any of the political or religious posts... because I simply only read a few.  I know you don't have that luxury.

I like them.  I love the discussion.  It gives me the opportunity to sharpen my opinions.

Not that I change my opinion ever, but we all think we can change the minds of all the other stupid people in the world who are simply wrong about whatever they disagree with us about.

As a political plug... I am now the county chairman of the Libertarian Party, and I'm working toward protecting everyone's right to be wrong about things.

Jabba

Thanks, John.  I appreciate your efforts.  

I enjoy some of the discussion also, but it seems to all too quickly deteriorate into mindless babbling and name calling.

I am in strong support of the Libertarians despite their simplistic misunderstanding of the human condition.  

Keep up the good work.  

[Willow]

Well, that changes my opinion about zipper pulls, so I need to change my response to the poll... is there a button for that?

lol, Mike.  Zippers are decidedly apolitical (unless, of course, you are Libertarian).    

[flatsixrider]

These posts are among the reason I have been here less recently and this is my first post in 3 weeks.  it is tiresome and although I can choose to avoid it, I cannot help being turned away by it.  

See everyone somewhere on down the road.

[Wizzard]

I personally love the debates and can do it without name calling and being offensive. Some just seem to have a shorter fuse.

[Serk]

I personally love the debates and can do it without name calling and being offensive. Some just seem to have a shorter fuse.

  This is where I fall... The personal attacks (Of which I've seen from BOTH "sides") are counter productive, but the debates, discussions, diatribes, whatever have been very interesting... Gonna change my mind? No... Gonna make me think about WHY I think the way I do? Yup!

[Jeff K]

I don't think anyone could change my political views... But they might be able to change my religious views, just a few thousand more Christians knocking on my door, sending me emails, or bothering me at work should do it. That is one of the bad things about living in the south, everyone wants to ram their particular religion/church down your throat. Hang on, I gotta get the door, I'm sure it's something important... surely someone wouldn't violate the no trespassing signs just to "spread the word".

[Strong Eagle]

There was a church group that flew into Changi Airport in Singapore a couple of years back.  They were met by immigration and ministry of information officials at the gate, who questioned why they had come.  When they replied it was to spread the word, all of their materials were confiscated and they were put on the next plane back out of the airport... they never got to leave the airport.

Singapore is a predominately Buddhist country, with significant populations of Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Shinto, Jews, aethists, and others.  The Singapore government places a very high premium on religious harmony.  So, you can be a member of whatever religion you want and go to whatever church, temple synagogue, mosque, or shrine that you want, but if you attempt to proselytize in any way (like standing on a corner handing out leaflets for the Church of the Kingdom of Jim), you will be dealt with harshly.

You have freedom to worship (or not), freedom to congregate for religious practice, but not the freedom to proselytize.

I like it this way.

[RedValk]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This could be a FIRST. A post by Strong Eagle i can actually aggree with 

[Jack]

From one political cycle to the next, I find out I not only have less respect for some folks that I didn't already respect, but I'm losing respect for folks who I respected.

(referring to folks here on the board)

Not that it matters much what i think.

-Scott

+1

[solo1]

A true story.

Many, many years ago when I was serving in Korea, we had a young replacement come into our outfit who was a real "preacher"  He even blocked the screen when we were showing movies especially "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"  with Marilyn Monroe (if memory serves me right).  According to him, we were worshipping "graven images"
After about a month of his bible thumping, some of the guys got together with him and made out to be his buddies. They got the CO's permission, (trip ticket) to take him to Uijongbu , get him drunk, and he promptly lost all his angelic ways (and his "virtue").  His own mother probably died when he came back.  A very unfortunate situation but he should've kept his religion to himself.

I believe and practice, as best I can, my religious beliefs but I will not force my beliefs on others.  However, neither will I back down from them .

While discussion is nice, it might be wise to discuss other things on the VRCC.

[3fan4life]

There was a church group that flew into Changi Airport in Singapore a couple of years back.  They were met by immigration and ministry of information officials at the gate, who questioned why they had come.  When they replied it was to spread the word, all of their materials were confiscated and they were put on the next plane back out of the airport... they never got to leave the airport.

Singapore is a predominately Buddhist country, with significant populations of Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Shinto, Jews, aethists, and others.  The Singapore government places a very high premium on religious harmony.  So, you can be a member of whatever religion you want and go to whatever church, temple synagogue, mosque, or shrine that you want, but if you attempt to proselytize in any way (like standing on a corner handing out leaflets for the Church of the Kingdom of Jim), you will be dealt with harshly.

You have freedom to worship (or not), freedom to congregate for religious practice, but not the freedom to proselytize.

I like it this way.

So, people there can freely practice any religion that they choose.

But, they can never mention it in public.


Sounds to me like there is no freedom of speech there................

But then again isn't Singapore the place where chewing gum is banned ?

In terms of Singaporean law, the ban on chewing gum in Singapore can be considered an extension of the littering law. Therefore, the act of chewing gum in Singapore is associated with similar penalties to those imposed for littering. The littering law requires a fine of $500 to $1,000 US Dollars (USD) for first time offenders. Repeat offenders may be fined up to $2,000 USD and assigned a Corrective Work Order (CWO).

When serving a CWO for violating littering laws, offenders are made to clean public spaces, often while wearing a bright colored jacket. The media may also be invited to cover the event, increasing the severity of the penalty though additional public shame. The CWO as a penalty for chewing gum in Singapore was reportedly implemented in November of 1992.

In March of 2004, following the United States – Singapore Free Trade Agreement (USSFTA), Singaporean laws banning chewing gum were revised. The ban was lifted, only partially, to allow the sale of chewing gum considered to have health benefits. This includes products such as dental-health gum, and nicotine gum to assist people who want to quit smoking.

These chewing gums can only be sold in pharmacies, and consumers must provide name and ID. Pharmacists who sell the gum without collecting the required information can be fined up to $2,940 USD and jailed for two years. The penalties for violating restrictions on chewing gum in Singapore, such as fines, Corrective Work Orders, and jail time, are often considered severe by outsiders. Similar fineable activities include spitting in public and not flushing public toilets.

 

[RedValk]

that's the bottom line. Discussing religion, politics, sex.................NEVER ........comes to much good....especially on a motorcycle board!

heck, we have enough problems just arguing over which oil to us, what kind of tires someone likes, what color bike is faster, etc.  

[MP]

Personally, I would be happy if  ALL of these threads were stopped as they started.  If ALL posts were bike related, I would be happy.

MP

[3fan4life]

A true story.

Many, many years ago when I was serving in Korea, we had a young replacement come into our outfit who was a real "preacher"  He even blocked the screen when we were showing movies especially "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes"  with Marilyn Monroe (if memory serves me right).  According to him, we were worshipping "graven images"
After about a month of his bible thumping, some of the guys got together with him and made out to be his buddies. They got the CO's permission, (trip ticket) to take him to Uijongbu , get him drunk, and he promptly lost all his angelic ways (and his "virtue").  His own mother probably died when he came back.  A very unfortunate situation but he should've kept his religion to himself.

I believe and practice, as best I can, my religious beliefs but I will not force my beliefs on others.  However, neither will I back down from them .

While discussion is nice, it might be wise to discuss other things on the VRCC.

That reminds me of something that happened while I was stationed at Ft. Lewis, WA.

We had a guy come into our unit that was a recent "Born Again Christian".

It didn't take him long to begin to proclaim to us that we were all terrible sinners and going to hell.

Our platoon Sgt. assinged him to be the room mate of the biggest "sinner" in our unit.

His name was Ken Milam.

Milam's greatest talent was that he was the World's Best Liar.

He had the ability to convince anyone of anything.

He could tell you something that you absolutely knew wasn't true and if you'd listen to him long enough you'd believe his version.

So, Milam decides that his new room mate has to go.

But, nothing seemed to work.

Then one night while his room mate is in the shower, Milam hangs an upside down cross on his locker and when his room mate come back from the shower Milam is sitting cross legged on his bed "chanting" to the cross.

Milam looks at his room mate and tells him that he is the "son of satan" and begins to lay out his evil plan to destroy the world.

The guy, dressed and left without saying a word.

The next morning he didn't show up for duty.

He was AWOL for two weeks before the MP's found him "shacking up" with some bimbo across town.       




Too many Christians give Christianity a bad name because they mistakingly think that they must change the world and everyone in it.

They become "crazy" for God and often begin to ostracize themselves from those around them.

When the best way for a Christian to "convince" someone that they're on the right track is to quietly live their life by the example that Christ set. If they're doing the things that they should others will notice.