Mallett
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« on: October 26, 2012, 01:09:34 PM » |
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I'm replacing my rear tire & was checking my dampers...should there be any play in them or should they fit tight? mine have some play in them but don't look that bad...
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 01:15:56 PM » |
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Lets just say you WILL notice a distinct difference in response when throttle is applied with new dampers. And yes they should be fairly snug. Not knowing the miles involved on yer machine it most likely wouldn't hurt to replace them. Sides-you already have the back end opened up. Stock ones aren't that spendy. RIDE SAFE.
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 01:17:08 PM » |
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If they're loose, replace them. Order a set for the Interstate so it comes as a complete set with the metal inserts in place. If you order them for a Tourer or Std., you have to buy the rubber and the inserts separate. The p/n you want is: 06410-MBH-000, called Damper Set, Wheel. They're all interchangeable. Cost is $32.37 from Service Honda in Indiana, good folk to work with.
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Mallett
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 01:24:46 PM » |
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Thanks guys, I've got 35,000 miles on my gurl....I ordered a new set for her.....
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2012, 09:22:43 AM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel.
Together with the drive flange inserted the assembly will then be tight.
If all the dampers were to be tightly fitted the flange could be difficult to attach.
There are quite a few other things that will impinge the quality of the drive line more than the dampers in the wheel.
Iron pyrite?
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Willow
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2012, 11:53:10 AM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel. That's not been my experience. The dampers have fit into the wheels tightly enough as to be difficult to get them in. Any noticeable play in the dampers indicates the dampers are worn enough to warrant replacement. |
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John Schmidt
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2012, 04:06:32 PM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel. That's not been my experience. The dampers have fit into the wheels tightly enough as to be difficult to get them in. Any noticeable play in the dampers indicates the dampers are worn enough to warrant replacement. Agreed! In fact, the last set I installed for someone I had to tap them in with a mallet to seat them far enough to replace the outer plate. The flange went in without trouble and that rear end was tight. |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2012, 04:12:57 PM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel. That's not been my experience. The dampers have fit into the wheels tightly enough as to be difficult to get them in. Any noticeable play in the dampers indicates the dampers are worn enough to warrant replacement. +1 that is why its easier to let them new dampeners sleep in the freezer over night so they go in without a fight. And Ricky I do hate to disagree with you again. I promise its not everything you say I disagree with. |
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 07:33:38 PM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel. That's not been my experience. The dampers have fit into the wheels tightly enough as to be difficult to get them in. Any noticeable play in the dampers indicates the dampers are worn enough to warrant replacement. +1 that is why its easier to let them new dampeners sleep in the freezer over night so they go in without a fight. And Ricky I do hate to disagree with you again. I promise its not everything you say I disagree with. When i put my new dampers in they spent a couple nights in the freezer. In my case my big freezer is in my garage as is my shop. RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2012, 07:58:17 PM » |
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The dampers individually will be loosely fitted in the wheel.
Together with the drive flange inserted the assembly will then be tight.
If all the dampers were to be tightly fitted the flange could be difficult to attach.
There are quite a few other things that will impinge the quality of the drive line more than the dampers in the wheel.
Iron pyrite?
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My experience was that new Honda supplied dampers were not a snug fit at all. They went in easily and had a little looseness, can't imagine that factory parts can be so different in dimension they have to be frozen and hammered in??????
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2012, 08:46:42 AM » |
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Some references may not be identifying the actual manufacturer of the dampers.
There was a fellow on this forum that made some dampers and later on, that were found to go to crap in a short period of time. Maybe these are what is being referred to!!!! Call it a "mod" as some may do.
You know and I know that Honda would not make something that had to be frozen in a freezer in order to install them.
Honda doesn't screw up things like is being suggested and I consider some responses as the lemming affect, just an ignorant piling on, of which is expected from some quarters.
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2012, 09:28:33 AM » |
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Some references may not be identifying the actual manufacturer of the dampers.
There was a fellow on this forum that made some dampers and later on, that were found to go to crap in a short period of time. Maybe these are what is being referred to!!!! Call it a "mod" as some may do.
You know and I know that Honda would not make something that had to be frozen in a freezer in order to install them.
Honda doesn't screw up things like is being suggested and I consider some responses as the lemming affect, just an ignorant piling on, of which is expected from some quarters.
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lol.....ya you know us lemmings......just cant think for ourselves or nuthin......well Ill pile this on for anyone changing dampners for the first time. you can either put them in straight from UPS and have to tap or pound or press them in and have some difficulty getting the locking plate on or you can put them in the freezer over night and plop them in toss the plate on and turn it into the locked location with one finger. (yes the OEM ones) Either way when you are done they are tight in thier pockets. I dont know how honda does it, but Im sure of one thing.......its much eaiser when they are shrunk up....Ive done three different wheels now and all responded exactly the same, so I doubt its a fluke. This is knowledge gained by experience gained by the lack of knowledge....passing it on FWIW |
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hubcapsc
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2012, 01:16:31 PM » |
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When I changed mine out with Tourer ones, it was tough to get them in.
When I later changed mine out with Interstate ones, it was easy to get them in.
I like the Interstate ones, since the metal part is made into them, and they
are cheaper... I can't imagine that they aren't just as good...
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Rio Wil
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2012, 08:03:23 PM » |
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When I changed mine out with Tourer ones, it was tough to get them in.
When I later changed mine out with Interstate ones, it was easy to get them in.
I like the Interstate ones, since the metal part is made into them, and they
are cheaper... I can't imagine that they aren't just as good...
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Hmmmmm...maybe thats the difference, mine is a I/S a AND they sat in a cabinet for a couple of months prior to installing..... |
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2012, 09:24:17 PM » |
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New Dampers = worth the $$. I just replaced mine. You'll be happy w them.
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Willow
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 06:30:09 PM » |
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Some references may not be identifying the actual manufacturer of the dampers.
There was a fellow on this forum that made some dampers and later on, that were found to go to crap in a short period of time. Maybe these are what is being referred to!!!! Call it a "mod" as some may do.
You know and I know that Honda would not make something that had to be frozen in a freezer in order to install them.
Honda doesn't screw up things like is being suggested and I consider some responses as the lemming affect, just an ignorant piling on, of which is expected from some quarters.
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Once more, Ricky-D you've piled misinformation on misinformation. I've replace dampers op two of my three Valkyries. Both sets were ordered from HDL and, of course were Honda OEM parts. They're supposed to be tight. If you've got dampers that went in loosely they were either flawed or already worn. The only member of the VRCC that I know of who made or sold dampers was ShockBushingGary. He passed away last year. Gary's dampers were first rate and reported to last forever. His manufacture did put out a bad batch and a small number of them did deteriorate. Gary pblicized that and offered free replacements for those if my memory is correct. Ricky-D, please try to know what your talking about before you offer advice on this board. Some will know enough to take what you say with several grains of salt. Some newer members won't. Once more, if you've got looseness in your dampers, they need to be replaced. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 06:48:56 PM » |
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"Gary's dampers were first rate and reported to last forever. His manufacture did put out a bad batch and a small number of them did deteriorate. Gary pblicized that and offered free replacements for those if my memory is correct"
That was MY experience with Gary's dampers as well......NO problems with dampers whatsoever and Gary was a class act in dealing with any of his products (also used his shock bushings and was also more than satisfied)
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2012, 08:24:37 AM » |
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Both my sets of Gary's dampers were/are first rate. I still used the freezer, and they were still tight going in. Too tight when you try to put them in upside down. Doh!!
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valkyriemc
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2014, 09:35:10 AM » |
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If they're loose, replace them. Order a set for the Interstate so it comes as a complete set with the metal inserts in place. If you order them for a Tourer or Std., you have to buy the rubber and the inserts separate. The p/n you want is: 06410-MBH-000, called Damper Set, Wheel. They're all interchangeable. Cost is $32.37 from Service Honda in Indiana, good folk to work with.
Old thread but that's just the number I was looking for... Thanks John! |
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2014, 04:16:54 PM » |
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I just replaced my 97 dampers with OEM from HDL. They had to be tapped into place. The hub studs hit the holes just fine. New dampers, new tire and bearings makes this girl feel like a new one. The old dampers were almost rock hard and did have slop. I feel this added work and expense was well worth it. I thought about freezing them after I started, but just continued as it wasn't that bad using a 3/8's extension. Go for it.
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