Sharkey
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« on: June 15, 2009, 05:45:53 PM » |
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Anyone else see this? I wonder what exactly happened here. I feel the trooper behavior is unexcusable no matter the circumstances.The first link is the dash cam video. the You tube is cell phone video. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31376393#31376393
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SANDMAN5
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 06:35:17 PM » |
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From what I can see, the LEO should be unemployed and maybe even
face charges. Wonder how he would have acted if it was his family
member in the ambulance?
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 06:39:40 PM » |
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That trooper is a prat.
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thomas
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 07:35:26 PM » |
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Why was the Ambulance stopped. What was the EMT doing for the Trooper to try and arrest him. Twenty-one years on a Volunteer Fire dept.Many fire and ambulance call . I have never seen a incident where a fireman or Ambulance personnel was theaten or arrested by a police officer. Ever Ambulance call I was ever involed in Law enforcement, Ambulance personnel and firefighter always worked together for the safety of the paient and a fast delivery to the hospital Trooper should have followed the ambulance to the hospital and given the EMT a ticket if he needed one .
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fudgie
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 08:14:09 PM » |
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Why was the Ambulance stopped. What was the EMT doing for the Trooper to try and arrest him. Twenty-one years on a Volunteer Fire dept.Many fire and ambulance call . I have never seen a incident where a fireman or Ambulance personnel was theaten or arrested by a police officer. Ever Ambulance call I was ever involed in Law enforcement, Ambulance personnel and firefighter always worked together for the safety of the paient and a fast delivery to the hospital Trooper should have followed the ambulance to the hospital and given the EMT a ticket if he needed one .
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 10:06:55 PM » |
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I feel sorry for the taxpayers in the state of Oklahoma. They are the ones that are going to have to pay for this trooper's ego.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 05:17:45 AM » |
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 05:31:18 AM » |
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Most of the police are good guys, but just like your coworkers there is always a few assholes in every department. This guy had his wife in the car with him, and was on a power trip. Seems like this behavour is becomming more common as the popo become more powerful like the military with their special teams, weapons, assault vehicles, mobile command centers and the like. More and smaller citys are going this route. Its a shame because when the cops become militarized seems like we must be the enemy.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 05:41:24 AM » |
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This LEO was way out of line but the EMT should not have gotten into the officer's face. They both need anger management lessons for about 30 days while on unpaid leave.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 07:10:05 AM » |
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Dog catcher, compliance officer, EMT, none of them are law enforcement like the cop is sworn too. I know there are law breakin cops too but this one was doing his job.
The cop may have been rough but the EMT was breaking the law if he wasn't running his lights and running stop signs. I'd have to say the cop was only person doing his job correctly. He was harsh but I'd be too if I had to figure out what was happening with 20 people jumping at me all at once.
Look up BTK killer for here in Kansas. Just because someone has a city issued badge doesn't make them lawful or always right.
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fudgie
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 03:43:53 PM » |
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Dog catcher, compliance officer, EMT, none of them are law enforcement like the cop is sworn too. I know there are law breakin cops too but this one was doing his job.
The cop may have been rough but the EMT was breaking the law if he wasn't running his lights and running stop signs. I'd have to say the cop was only person doing his job correctly. He was harsh but I'd be too if I had to figure out what was happening with 20 people jumping at me all at once.
Look up BTK killer for here in Kansas. Just because someone has a city issued badge doesn't make them lawful or always right.
Raymond
The video I saw this morning showed the ambulance driver being talked to by the cop. The paramedic then got out the the back to see what was up. That is when the cop brought the attitude to him. They had a pt in the back which is what the medic told the officer. Cop gave him crap. He wasn't even driving. Driver might have ran a sign. Who knows. But you don't always have to transport with lights and sirens on. The cop we ran into 8 yrs ago watched us park on the city street at 1a next to the accident scene. Never helped us or directed us to park. We straddled the center line to give us safe way to work. After she was loaded and we were leaving a car went around us and went over the curb and cont on. The cop yelled at my partner for the way we parked. After he sat and watched us for 15 min. He was so angry the truck was shaking and she got scared. Patner told him he is holding up pt transport and we can deal with this at the hospital. He tried to close the door but the cop held it back. We reported it, but he was in charge that night....... |
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 04:46:57 PM » |
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I've been in EMS for the past 29 years and the LEO was WRONG!
At best he was highly unprofessional at worst his actions border on criminal assault.
After watching the video it is clear that he got out of his patrol car with a chip on his shoulder.
If he had a problem with something that the driver of the ambulance did or didn't do, once he was informed that there was a patient on board and that the patient was being taken to the hospital for Chest Pain he should've allowed the ambulance driver to continue the transport.
He could've dealt with the driver of the ambulance at the hospital.
It's not like the ambulance driver was going to flee the scene.
The Fox News article states that the officer had just returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. I'm wondering if he may have some form of PTSD.
The only thing that I see that the Paramedic did wrong was that he exited the ambulance presumably leaving a patient with Chest Pain alone in the back.
It looks like he was attempting to let the officer know that they were transporting a serious patient.
As far as not running lights and siren, it is common practice NOT to run lights and siren with patients that are experiencing chest pain unless they are critical.
The use of lights and siren excites the patient and in most cases causes them to assume that they must be “dying”.
Thankfully, this officer is the exception to the rule. Most police officers realize that Police, Fire and EMS are all public servants and that we need to look out for each other.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 04:58:04 PM » |
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fudgie
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 05:17:16 PM » |
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I've been in EMS for the past 29 years and the LEO was WRONG!
At best he was highly unprofessional at worst his actions border on criminal assault.
After watching the video it is clear that he got out of his patrol car with a chip on his shoulder.
If he had a problem with something that the driver of the ambulance did or didn't do, once he was informed that there was a patient on board and that the patient was being taken to the hospital for Chest Pain he should've allowed the ambulance driver to continue the transport.
He could've dealt with the driver of the ambulance at the hospital.
It's not like the ambulance driver was going to flee the scene.
The Fox News article states that the officer had just returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. I'm wondering if he may have some form of PTSD.
The only thing that I see that the Paramedic did wrong was that he exited the ambulance presumably leaving a patient with Chest Pain alone in the back.
It looks like he was attempting to let the officer know that they were transporting a serious patient.
As far as not running lights and siren, it is common practice NOT to run lights and siren with patients that are experiencing chest pain unless they are critical.
The use of lights and siren excites the patient and in most cases causes them to assume that they must be “dying”.
Thankfully, this officer is the exception to the rule. Most police officers realize that Police, Fire and EMS are all public servants and that we need to look out for each other.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 06:33:29 PM » |
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It doesn't always make you right just because you have a badge. Sometimes it just makes you an egotistical prick.
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Hump
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 07:25:57 PM » |
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My two cents? I believe the trooper was out of line, out of control and got into an altercation as if that was his goal for the day. I would hate to see him on a night shift! The ambulance looked as though it was starting to yield to the trooper, you can see the ambulance moving toward the shoulder as the trooper is passing the ambulance. The bottom line is the trooper could have followed the ambulance and spoke with the driver of the ambulance upon arrival at the ambulances destination, which I would assume was within a resonable distance, such as a hospital or residence. Many emergency vehicles have the ability to outrun their sirens and with radio traffic within the ambulance, possibly the driver talking with the other technicians, yeah the driver of the ambulance was guilty of not yielding within the time frame that the trooper thought he should have. Which is the officers/troopers opinion which is the basis for getting a citation anyway. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? I know I have raised my voice at individuals and allowed a situation to become/stay elevated due to the attitude at that time of being in charge and nobody is going to tell me what to do! To see yourself doing this on video and the appearance of being, a bit angry, the JohnQ public does not understand this and they usually do not deserve it. This troopers video just happen to make the media! A small town/city cop would have been fired! It is a tough job, a stressful job and every set of eyes are upon you waiting for you to screw up!  |
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Brad
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 08:06:56 PM » |
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http://www.wusa9.com/news/columnist/blogs/2009/06/prosecutor-blasts-trooper-in-letter-to.htmlThe thing the trooper was pissed off about was the ambulance failed to yield to him the first time he passed them on his way to a call and he claims that the driver gave him the one finger hello. Looks to me like he yielded as quick as he could. He had to wait until he cleared the white car on the shoulder. Any way you look at it, it doesn't look good for the trooper and the good people of the state of Oklahoma.
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Whistler
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 08:09:45 PM » |
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Having worked both jobs for over ten years each I feel they are both out of line and being unprofessional. The Tech coming out of the back to state they had a patient on board should have then returned to his Patient, or never left them actually. The Trooper as soon as he found out they were loaded should have just followed them to the hospital and dealt with the situation after the patient was delivered to the Hospital. Either way they were both wrong and if the patient sues, both agencies and all three parties will pay, if the patient were to have died, blank checks would have been signed! JMHO
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