GoldWing Reverse and Valkyrie interchange.

[Crazy Miles]

Not to hy-jack (Andycz1) topic.    Valk reverse   LETS GET THIS GOING!    Goldwing lowers are pretty much the same. Uppers,  Different heads, etc. What if you took off the rear of the block from a Wing and swapped it with the Valk Or get a GOOD used Wing motor and swap heads and  carbs?  Here is a start. I'm really thinking of going trike and this is a must for me.  Rear of Wing,     rear of Valk,   Wing starter and solenoid      Valk starter   Notice that the Valk case is stamped with the knockout and the threaded portions to accept the Wing starter assembly and side mounting engager?  Wing case has another gear inside , so they both would have to be open to get the gear in.  Gentlemen, here is the  start of a reverse Valk.  AND, if I'm not mistaken, the wing has a higher 4 & 5 gear ratio to boot

[Crazy Miles]

Thanks Mase  I thought that the Valk had solid lifters and the Wing did not. Hmmm, so they can interchange with little  work? No mods needed? Folks, lets keep this post going I'm not alone on wanting to do this.

[Crazy Miles]

these are some of the gears the Valk don't have. 95 Wing

[Crazy Miles]

It goes back a few years.http://www.valkyrieforum.com/forum/tech_archive.cgi?noframes;read=675493

[Ricky-D]

I had forgotten how difficult it was negotiating the threads in the old format.

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[keepinon]

I have a friend that added reverse to a '94 GW Interstate (Interstates had no reverse). He got the gears from a wrecked 'wing, I remember he had to drill a hole in the IS case for a shaft, but it worked a few days later.

To add reverse to a Valk, other than installing the shaft & gears, you'd have to fab a mount for the actuating cable. Perhaps a choke cable, or PTO cable might work....

He has offered to add it to my trike, but the trike ain't that hard to push back, and I have an aversion to being a guinea pig....  If it ain't broke, don't fix it   

[steveB (VRCC UK)]

I fitted a Wing lower end to a Valk after several attempts to build an overbored 1850 Valk had finally ruined our blocks. When a low mileage Wing engine was available it was a no brainer.

No probs other than the obvious. Wing has rubber mounts so we pulled them and made solid mounts.
Wing has different water pump housing but the Valk one swaps over.
Removed the plastic timing case (inners and outer) and fitted the chrome Valk ones.
Carbs, cams, lifters and cam covers from the Valk fit.
Only problems that I can see with fitting reverse is the large amount of wiring and relays, timers and thermistor that are fitted to the Wing. (Check out the wiring diagram for a Wing)
Also note the Wing has a mechanical neutral lock out. This is achieved by dropping a pin through the end of the shifter drum on the Wing (actuated by the reverse lever) - the Valks drum is shorter.

At the time I was only trying get the bike running again and fitting reverse was not considered.
However as I reach my sixth decade maybe a reverse would be nice.

[Crazy Miles]

thanks Steve!     We need type of input!

[98valk]

bottom end of 97-00 gl1500 wings are the same as valkyrie engines, except the GW has the reverse and 4th and 5th are OD gears, whereas the valkyrie has 4th 1:1 and 5th is OD but it is less OD than the GW. I have posted all of the ratios and the block differences in previous posts. a search should bring it up.
posts where also done before about the reverse gear.

[Crazy Miles]

Thanks CA! Yes, this has been around before, BUT, nothing ever came of it. I'm  (We) are all getting to the age or time in life that, SOMETIMES, it would be great to have a back up option!  I'm going trike sooner or later. My knees are gone along with my ankles.    Please folks, lets keep this post going! ANY and ALL input is needed. Folks, this will be done by one of us sooner or later, as a group, so  (collective information) lets all be part of it!  Love the thought and input we have.  The Valkyrie collective minds

[98valk]

I'm looking into ways to lighten the bike. one mod a few have done is install the GL1800 swing arm and wheel. Still looking for a site that explains how it is done.
possibly aftermarket plastic tins.
lightening holes on certain brackets.
belly tank and smaller std tank to help lower the center of gravity is also a possibility.
just some thoughts.

[f6john]

     Am I correct in thinking that the 4th and 5th Goldwing gears will not interchange into the Valkyrie tranny?

[98valk]

     Am I correct in thinking that the 4th and 5th Goldwing gears will not interchange into the Valkyrie tranny?

see my post in thread.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,29276.0.html

[gordonv]

Ok, if I can help with parts, I still have pieces from my torn down Valk engine. Maybe also get word over to Steve in the Okanagon area of BC, he has my case.

I would be interested in higher gearing in a Valkyrie, maybe even the dual carbs and maybe higher MPG of a GW. Would most likely take a GW engine, and convert to fit into a Valk. I don't think I need the reverse, but if I start to trailer it would be nice.

email me direct, and I will supply what ever items I can to support this endevour. Maybe a second thread showing just the build, and one thread for discussion.

[98valk]

I would be interested in higher gearing in a Valkyrie, maybe even the dual carbs and maybe higher MPG of a GW. Would most likely take a GW engine, and convert to fit into a Valk. I don't think I need the reverse, but if I start to trailer it would be nice.

GW gets lower mpg than a valk. 6 carbs which is an Individual intake runner system will provide more torque/HP and mpg than 2 carbs and a plemum intake.
the problem with the valkyrie is a cheap ICM which doesn't provide enough ignition advance during cruise speeds. the GW ICM has vacuum advance with various sensors for engine condition. I get great avg mpg and hwy mpg by using a 6 degree TW and dyna ignition which allows 10 degrees of added advance on the hwy.
 I've posted some more details before if u can find my post/s.

[Jeff K]

I'm looking into ways to lighten the bike. one mod a few have done is install the GL1800 swing arm and wheel. Still looking for a site that explains how it is done.
possibly aftermarket plastic tins.
lightening holes on certain brackets.
belly tank and smaller std tank to help lower the center of gravity is also a possibility.
just some thoughts.

That GL1800 swingarm is massive. I don't know that there is any weight savings there. I put one on a valk once. It was very ugly, and I gave up on it due to the fact that I didn't like that massive swingarm and the final drive is none to pretty either. The suspension alone requires a huge amount of frame strengthening to handle the mono shock.

[98valk]

I'm looking into ways to lighten the bike. one mod a few have done is install the GL1800 swing arm and wheel. Still looking for a site that explains how it is done.
possibly aftermarket plastic tins.
lightening holes on certain brackets.
belly tank and smaller std tank to help lower the center of gravity is also a possibility.
just some thoughts.

That GL1800 swingarm is massive. I don't know that there is any weight savings there. I put one on a valk once. It was very ugly, and I gave up on it due to the fact that I didn't like that massive swingarm and the final drive is none to pretty either. The suspension alone requires a huge amount of frame strengthening to handle the mono shock.

thanks Jeff

[VALKen]

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That GL1800 swingarm is massive. I don't know that there is any weight savings there. I put one on a valk once. It was very ugly, and I gave up on it due to the fact that I didn't like that massive swingarm and the final drive is none to pretty either. The suspension alone requires a huge amount of frame strengthening to handle the mono shock.

After all this time, could you explain this further. How easy was it get the 1800 SSSA into the Valk? Which driveshaft did you use? Standard or modded? What about wheel alignment?

[SCain]

Not to hy-jack (Andycz1) topic.    Valk reverse   LETS GET THIS GOING!    Goldwing lowers are pretty much the same. Uppers,  Different heads, etc. What if you took off the rear of the block from a Wing and swapped it with the Valk Or get a GOOD used Wing motor and swap heads and  carbs?  Here is a start. I'm really thinking of going trike and this is a must for me.  Rear of Wing,     rear of Valk,   Wing starter and solenoid      Valk starter   Notice that the Valk case is stamped with the knockout and the threaded portions to accept the Wing starter assembly and side mounting engager?  Wing case has another gear inside , so they both would have to be open to get the gear in.  Gentlemen, here is the  start of a reverse Valk.  AND, if I'm not mistaken, the wing has a higher 4 & 5 gear ratio to boot

Here are a few Valks with reverse for sale in Japan, not all valks had the reverse option that were exported to Japan, not sure the cost of getting one over here.
https://www.goobike.com/smp/maker-honda/car-valkyrie/index.html

[Leathel]

I've seen a few Japanese import valks for sale in New Zealand with reverse

I've also seen a trike with reverse added, but not in a way that would work on a bike

I figure the easiest way would be an engine swap for a goldwing one..

[gordonv]

I've looked it over, as a possible conversion on the Valk.

The hardware looks easy. It's the levers, switches and sensors that allow it to work.

I was just going to swap out the Valk engine for a GW with reverse. But it was how to make it work with the levers extra to make it work. Would need to custom make some kind of lever to place it in reverse.

[ridingron]

I thought it would be relatively easy to fab up the brackets and electrics. I was told it would kill the battery running the starter, for reverse, without the motor running to keep it charged while backing up.

I think it is very doable. I currently don't have the room or time to pursue that big a project.

[indybobm]

Im sure that this has been considered many times. The biggest concern that I would have are the necessary interlocks to keep from blowing up gears if you try to back up with the bike in gear. Starting the bike puts a load on the battery. Using the starter to upwards of 1000 lbs of bike and rider puts a huge load on the battery.

[Challenger]

There was a gentleman that came to several VOAi ride-ins on a maroon Valk trike with reverse. He said he did it with stock Valkyrie parts. I don't believe it was electric. Single lever and the the engine was running when he would back up. I don't recall his name but I would bet M.P. knows who he is. I will PM him and see if he recalls who it was.

[The emperor has no clothes]

There was a gentleman that came to several VOAi ride-ins on a maroon Valk trike with reverse. He said he did it with stock Valkyrie parts. I don't believe it was electric. Single lever and the the engine was running when he would back up. I don't recall his name but I would bet M.P. knows who he is. I will PM him and see if he recalls who it was.

Sounds like it was the Japanese model. This guy did it to his. I don't know if he is a member here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvMOxQld_CM

[Beardo]

FWIW, I’ve got reverse on my Wing...and have only used it twice. And both times, i could have gotten by without it, was just using it because I could. I could see it helping someone with bad knees though. Although if your knees are that bad, there are many other situations riding a 1000 lb bike that would give you problems as well.

Most here have been riding their big bikes long enough that we’ve learned not to get into situations where it would be needed.

I’m all for figuring out ways to improve our bikes, but the money spent on this could sure pay for a lot of gas and motel rooms. Or a trip to see AtticRat and get some real performance gains.

[gordonv]

Most here have been riding their big bikes long enough that we’ve learned not to get into situations where it would be needed.

I’m all for figuring out ways to improve our bikes, but the money spent on this could sure pay for a lot of gas and motel rooms. Or a trip to see AtticRat and get some real performance gains.

I agree. Also had a GW with reverse, never even tried it. Only one time I needed reverse, but got help pushing the bike out from where it was (car parked and blocked my expected route out).

I was only going to do this if I needed another engine. GWs are cheaper. Would be easier with a wrecked donor bike, as everything would be there that is needed.

[Leathel]

There was a gentleman that came to several VOAi ride-ins on a maroon Valk trike with reverse. He said he did it with stock Valkyrie parts. I don't believe it was electric. Single lever and the the engine was running when he would back up. I don't recall his name but I would bet M.P. knows who he is. I will PM him and see if he recalls who it was.

Sounds like it was the Japanese model. This guy did it to his. I don't know if he is a member here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvMOxQld_CM

that looks like it has different controls to the Japanese ones I have seen, they have had a leaver on the LH side like this

https://youtu.be/WQnh5hTOsHY

[The emperor has no clothes]

There was a gentleman that came to several VOAi ride-ins on a maroon Valk trike with reverse. He said he did it with stock Valkyrie parts. I don't believe it was electric. Single lever and the the engine was running when he would back up. I don't recall his name but I would bet M.P. knows who he is. I will PM him and see if he recalls who it was.

Sounds like it was the Japanese model. This guy did it to his. I don't know if he is a member here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvMOxQld_CM

that looks like it has different controls to the Japanese ones I have seen, they have had a leaver on the LH side like this

https://youtu.be/WQnh5hTOsHY

in his comments below the video, he responds to the question of doing it. He said instead of the lever he used a servo motor ;

Doc Sopwith
Honda did make a US made 1999 export to Japan that had the reverse gear on it. It was never sold in the US and was only made for the 1999 export version in Marysville, Ohio.. This color is Pearl Sedona Red with Pearl Ivory Cream just like yous but I understand you installed yours. The Honda production reverse had a lever on the left side just in front of the pet rooster. Interesting that you retrofitted yours.

This was the press release for the reverse gear version: Again, it was never sold to dealers in the US market even though all 1520 Valkyries were made in he good ole USA.

Tokyo, October 13, 1998 --- Honda Motor Co., Ltd. has announced the launch of the modified Valkyrie 1520 cc heavyweight touring bike, manufactured by Honda Motor's US production subsidiary, Honda of America Manufacturing (HAM). The '99 export model, which incorporates a reversing system, will go on sale in Japan on October 14.
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Mitch Stillman
Interesting yes. I did install all the factory parts to make this work with an upgrade....instead of using a mechanical lever to engage the reverse gear, I used a electric cable driven system used on later model goldwings and made the whole thing a push button system. it does have fail safe system to ensure that it can only be engaged in neutral. It works really, really well. They really should have used this in all valkyries out here in the western hemisphere but I guess they did not want to cut into Goldwing sales. I still enjoy riding the Valkyrie to this day. What a great ride!!!

[Vermonter]

This is a VERY interesting discussion, and I have also been in touch with the fellow with the YouTube video who has been patient and helpful in answering questions. I am interested in eventually 'fitting up' a Dnepr sidecar to my '99 Standard Valk and reverse is a real benefit with a sidecar (I am spoiled because I have reverse in my Ural sidecar rig and it would be a drag to not have it, because if anything the Valk + sidecar is going to weigh more than the Ural (and that's saying something, because the Ural is anything but svelte).