Damn, lost one of my best Pizza places... yes it is gun related.

[Jeff K]

We went up to do some snowmobiling in the North Woods of Wisconsin. We went to our favorite Pizza place and SURPRISE! There is a "No Concealed Weapons" sign on the front door. Damn! We loved their pizza! It must be nice to have so much business that you can actively alienate customers. This was a booming area, do to lack of snow, and a major push from the "silent sport" group, it is slowly dieing. Many business have had to close.
The owner told me why he "had" to do this, for those of you not on FB i'll copy and paste his later response on FB.

We have been enjoying Knockers pizza for years. We used to live in St Germain, but had to move. We love our trips back home to the north woods and have always enjoyed going back to Knockers. Last night I noticed they have a sign on their door prohibiting concealed carry. I guess they have enough business that they can tell some customers to stay out. It works for me, we won't go back. There are plenty of suffering businesses in the north woods, we won't be having a tough time finding new places to go eat. Let us know when we are welcome in your business again.

Thank you for your business. We have nothing against a person's right to bear arms. We have had an incident in the past with a man and a weapon which he insisted was concealed because it was inside of a case next to him on the bar. He refused to remove it insisting that it was his right and unless we posted no concealed weapons than he could bring it anywhere he liked. Other customers cited their concerns noting that many times there are children in our establishment. We certainly do not mean to offend anyone by our sign, but we do not feel that bringing a gun into a family restaurant is necessary. Thanks again for your past business.

Isn't that like beating all your kids when one of them does something wrong? You have every right to post whatever signage you'd like. I and others also have the right to respond with our wallets. If you believe that I am the only one that walks away from your business because of our beliefs, I am 100% sure your are mistaken. We were a group of 6 that will never go back. I respect your right to alienate customers, it is your business. How many people do you think will "only" go into businesses that have anti gun signage? Are there people that look for that? There are a few local businesses that we have put on our "no spend list" because of their stand or lack of interest in other local hot button issues. As the north woods crumbles from lack of interest, and lack of tourists that come to spend money with the locals, I get a tear in my eye. When I was young this area was busy with people during all the seasons. Now it is close to a ghost town. We are both happy where we are on this issue. Good luck, I hope your chosen clientele will continue to support and grow your business.

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[old2soon]

Their choice BUT i believe it not only will bite them in the ass but more importantly-in the wallet. RIDE SAFE.

[Jeff K]

They had a beautiful cozy place on the lake. They gave it up and moved to the city. Bigger place yes, ambiance not so much. Then the quality followed. My Dad quit going there about 8 months ago because the price was up and the pizza wasn't as good. The new sign sealed the deal. The owner was pretty proud of it.
 
We had a favorite fish fry place up there too and stopped going there because they took an anti ATV trail stand. They are close to closing now. Not enough business to support them with the low snow season, and the "do gooder tree huger bicyclists" don't seem to spend too much money in his BAR. Go figure?

[old2soon]

Mud A T Vs dirt bikes and alcohol.  Hell when i was living in illinois we'd run up into Wisconsin to some out of the way place for A beer. 140-150 miles was not unheard of one way fer a brewski.  RIDE SAFE.

[KG]

I carry these and hand them out

http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/

[john]

 " We have had an incident in the past with a man and a weapon which he insisted was concealed because it was inside of a case next to him on the bar "
         thats  just dumb ...    ???
   their is also ... " we have the right to refuse service to anyone "          
  better to   rid his place of business of the  "pain in the ass " than to
 rid long standing customers ... i would think      
                                its what i would do ...    $.02

[cookiedough]

I'm seeing more and more NO GUNS signs posted on buildings/establishments/workplaces all over.  Better get used to it or you won't be able to go anywhere, just saying.

You could always go to Fibbers Resort in St. Germain and have a brewski?  There are not many ATV trails up there, mainly tons of snowmobile trails,  and when I was up there last 2-3 years ago in little St. Germain the local ATV shop said they were trying to get more ATV trails but is a tough fight.  It seems everyone wants snowmobilers but not ATVers and that is what I don't get at all in a lot of WI places.   The state of WI would get tons more tourism revenue if the snowmobile trails would open up winter ATVing on them either making it a multi-use trail allowing both or if not that, at least open the snowmobile trails up when there is under 4" of snow on trails along with under say 32 degrees in temperature for ATVing.  I'm not saying all WI snowmobile trails open up for ATV use in winter, but some would be nice especially the ones up there that can connect to already existing ATV trails. 

[Jeff K]

I'm seeing more and more NO GUNS signs posted on buildings/establishments/workplaces all over.  Better get used to it or you won't be able to go anywhere, just saying.

You could always go to Fibbers Resort in St. Germain and have a brewski?  There are not many ATV trails up there, mainly tons of snowmobile trails,  and when I was up there last 2-3 years ago in little St. Germain the local ATV shop said they were trying to get more ATV trails but is a tough fight.  It seems everyone wants snowmobilers but not ATVers and that is what I don't get at all in a lot of WI places.   The state of WI would get tons more tourism revenue if the snowmobile trails would open up winter ATVing on them either making it a multi-use trail allowing both or if not that, at least open the snowmobile trails up when there is under 4" of snow on trails along with under say 32 degrees in temperature for ATVing.  I'm not saying all WI snowmobile trails open up for ATV use in winter, but some would be nice especially the ones up there that can connect to already existing ATV trails. 

I was the VP of the St. Germain ATV club before we moved back to Florida. I was part of the fight for trails. The tree hugers brought in activists from all over the country, hundreds of them, for every meeting and event. They were quite powerful. The "silent sport" groups would send in groups of activists that were well trained and had plenty of time to spend, the locals that wanted the trails were out numbered, and the locals were working people that couldn't take time to travel to go to these meetings,  and the local business were silent because they didn't want to make waves.
Chuck at StillWaters was openly against the trails because his "regulars" said they didn't want the mess. Most of his regulars are now gone for other reasons. 
The Snowmobile clubs fought it too, they didn't want the ATV trails sharing any part of the trail system they had so much time into. The ATV trails didn't use all of the Snowmobile trail system and were only to use some of the trails when there was no snow and temps under 28 degrees. We still could not get the Snowmobile clubs support.

As far as the CCW issue. I have 16 years in Florida now, we have always had CCW here since I have been here, I don't think I have ever seen a no CCW sign here.
There are PLENTY of places that are starving for business in the North Woods area. We won't have ANY problem finding a place to go. The Log Cabin in Conover has good pizza, so does Vinchi's Hillside in Sayner.

[bigguy]

I agree that it was probably a bad decision to place the sign, but it still irks me that there is always one idiot who's going to push something stupid till it breaks. He actually said. "until you put up a no concealed weapons sign?"
With morons like that on our side, we don't need opponents.

[cookiedough]

I'm seeing more and more NO GUNS signs posted on buildings/establishments/workplaces all over.  Better get used to it or you won't be able to go anywhere, just saying.

You could always go to Fibbers Resort in St. Germain and have a brewski?  There are not many ATV trails up there, mainly tons of snowmobile trails,  and when I was up there last 2-3 years ago in little St. Germain the local ATV shop said they were trying to get more ATV trails but is a tough fight.  It seems everyone wants snowmobilers but not ATVers and that is what I don't get at all in a lot of WI places.   The state of WI would get tons more tourism revenue if the snowmobile trails would open up winter ATVing on them either making it a multi-use trail allowing both or if not that, at least open the snowmobile trails up when there is under 4" of snow on trails along with under say 32 degrees in temperature for ATVing.  I'm not saying all WI snowmobile trails open up for ATV use in winter, but some would be nice especially the ones up there that can connect to already existing ATV trails. 

I was the VP of the St. Germain ATV club before we moved back to Florida. I was part of the fight for trails. The tree hugers brought in activists from all over the country, hundreds of them, for every meeting and event. They were quite powerful. The "silent sport" groups would send in groups of activists that were well trained and had plenty of time to spend, the locals that wanted the trails were out numbered, and the locals were working people that couldn't take time to travel to go to these meetings,  and the local business were silent because they didn't want to make waves.
Chuck at StillWaters was openly against the trails because his "regulars" said they didn't want the mess. Most of his regulars are now gone for other reasons. 
The Snowmobile clubs fought it too, they didn't want the ATV trails sharing any part of the trail system they had so much time into. The ATV trails didn't use all of the Snowmobile trail system and were only to use some of the trails when there was no snow and temps under 28 degrees. We still could not get the Snowmobile clubs support.

As far as the CCW issue. I have 16 years in Florida now, we have always had CCW here since I have been here, I don't think I have ever seen a no CCW sign here.
There are PLENTY of places that are starving for business in the North Woods area. We won't have ANY problem finding a place to go. The Log Cabin in Conover has good pizza, so does Vinchi's Hillside in Sayner.

I went to one of the ATV meetings open to the public to voice their opinion with the DNR and local officials and media down in southern WI and signed a petition while there as well to open up a newly done Badger trail connecting Madison all the way down into Illinois.  Purpose of meeting was to see what kind of interest and the uses of the trail system.   There were well over 100 ATVer's packed into a small room, 2-3 horse people, and a couple bicyclists showed up as well along with several snowmobilers.  After going to this one meeting,  I learned instantly that the DNR already had their mind made up on what the new trail was going to be used for.  Bicyclists in the summer and snowmobilers in the winter with ATV ONLY under 4" of snow under 28 degrees ONLY IN THE WINTER NEVER IN THE SUMMER.  And yet, this trail hooked up to another ATV trail system which would benefit businesses hurting everywhere for money all summer long.  After a nicely done speech by the spokesperson for the ATV clubs presented to the DNR/officials,  we fell on deaf ears and was a wasted time.  Face it,  the DNR and tree huggers and elected officials surely don't know what the best for the local communities is and they don't care as long as their getting paid.  The major DNR point is the ATVer's wreck the nice crushed limestone path making it not useable for bicyclists in the summer and rut up the groomed snowmobile tracks in the winter and they have no money in their budget to repair potholes caused by ATV's.  The ATV club pointed out they have equipment and volunteers to drive an ATV with leveliing paver on back and able to fill in any potholes caused by ATV's.  The DNR didn't care and had their mind made up already.  So, the very few bicyclists (guessing 100 per entire summer season who actually use it and spend very little money in these small towns drinking water only) are more beneficial economically to the adjoining small towns than over 1,000 easily ATVer's all year long that would use it and spend money for food and drinks?  WE have 5 bars in our one horse town and business would've been booming!

Sometimes common sense doesn't prevail.  Rant over! 

[Jeff K]

I agree that it was probably a bad decision to place the sign, but it still irks me that there is always one idiot who's going to push something stupid till it breaks. He actually said. "until you put up a no concealed weapons sign?"
With morons like that on our side, we don't need opponents.

Who said he was on our side?
Seems like a great way to make your anti gun point by going to places and stirring up trouble, basically telling them to put up signs. All you need is an empty gun case and a big mouth.

[bigguy]

I agree that it was probably a bad decision to place the sign, but it still irks me that there is always one idiot who's going to push something stupid till it breaks. He actually said. "until you put up a no concealed weapons sign?"
With morons like that on our side, we don't need opponents.

Who said he was on our side?
Seems like a great way to make your anti gun point by going to places and stirring up trouble, basically telling them to put up signs. All you need is an empty gun case and a big mouth.

That through went through my mind also.

[CajunRider]

" We have had an incident in the past with a man and a weapon which he insisted was concealed because it was inside of a case next to him on the bar "
         thats  just dumb ...    ???
   their is also ... " we have the right to refuse service to anyone "           
  better to get rid his place of business of the  "pain in the ass " than to
 rid long standing customers ... i would think       
                                its what i would do ...    $.02

I fully agree here.  As a business owner, you have the right to refuse service. 

Quit serving him and ask him to leave and not come back.  It just seems better to lose one customer who's being an @$$ instead of pissing off multiple customers with a stupid sign. 

[Jeff K]

Well they pulled my FB post. 

My Father drove by this morning...

The sign is gone! 


Good for them.

[CajunRider]

Well they pulled my FB post. 

My Father drove by this morning...

The sign is gone! 


Good for them.

Awesome!!  Common sense wins out again!!  (Seems to be getting more and more rare though...)

[Titan]

Well they pulled my FB post. 

My Father drove by this morning...

The sign is gone! 


Good for them.

Amazing! This is a case where your efforts actually made a difference!
You did good!

[Valkernaut]

I carry these and hand them out

http://www.learntocarry.com/nogunsnomoney/

Am I just picky or do a lot of signs like this have the slash mark going the wrong direction??

Jim

[musclehead]

I wish I had an establishment so I could put up a "conceal carry welcome" sign.

could you imagine such a place EVER getting held up? 

[Hoser]

When Kansas got concealed carry a few years back, a lot of business's had the no gun sign, did'nt last long when they checked thier bottom line.  To thier credit, Wally world never had them up. Most convenience stores took em down when thier sales dropped, and robberies increased.  They are only required in government buildings, and the legislature is trying to fix that. Kansas always had open carry, but cities could ban that.  They can't no more.  Hoser 

[fudgie]

We went up to do some snowmobiling in the North Woods of Wisconsin. We went to our favorite Pizza place and SURPRISE! There is a "No Concealed Weapons" sign on the front door. Damn! We loved their pizza! It must be nice to have so much business that you can actively alienate customers. This was a booming area, do to lack of snow, and a major push from the "silent sport" group, it is slowly dieing. Many business have had to close.
The owner told me why he "had" to do this, for those of you not on FB i'll copy and paste his later response on FB.

Sounds like open carry is being permitted there. 

[Rocketman]

My understanding of concealed carry says that if everyone in the place knew he had a firearm, he's violating the "concealed" part.
I'm not even addressing if any/both/which should be permitted, but calling it concealed seems to fly in the face of logic.

Mark

[Serk]

My understanding of concealed carry says that if everyone in the place knew he had a firearm, he's violating the "concealed" part.
I'm not even addressing if any/both/which should be permitted, but calling it concealed seems to fly in the face of logic.

Mark

That gets kinda grey area. Supposedly having a firearm in a gun rug meets the LEGAL definition of concealed in Texas (Or so my CHL instructor says.) so that you could have a gun in a gun rug and lay that on your dash board, and you'd meet the LEGAL qualifications for concealed. That's just in Texas, and that's one CHL instructor's opinion, of course.