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deadwood
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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2013, 07:33:27 PM »

Agree.
I took the MSF Experienced Rider course two years ago with my Interstate with a CT. I had no trouble with any of the manuevers.

Twice the instructors told me to take it easy as I was being a little to agressive for them in my riding, but it was within my comfort zone.  When it was over one of the instructors looked down at my boots and laughed because there were threads hanging off them from draging the edges of them on the pavement.  I often wondered what they would do/say if they noticed my CT.  Either they didn't notice it or didn't care.


This topic is going to quickly get as old as the gun debate.

Even though it been said before..Facts are facts. I have 15,000 miles on a Goodyear Triple Tread CT. I have scraped my highway pegs in the corners. I have had no issues what-so-ever. To reinforce what was stated above, there has not ever been one incident ever recorded of a CT failing on the back of a bike.

If you have particular issues with what people are doing to their motorcycles go after a real problem. The punks doing wheelies up the highway. At least in that forum you will have a legitimate argument.
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2013, 08:30:02 PM »

I have ridden two different 06 wings in the past year

one had a car tire one did not

to be honest I liked the handling of the wing with the car tire better than the one with the motorcycle tire.

hay's was the one with the CT, dont remember the brand   Of course not that many roads like 129 in Houston   2funny
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Mapper
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2013, 11:10:34 PM »

Was window shopping tires and noticed a pretty good CT/MT conversation on the Goldwing forum.  I found it pretty interesting and informative (complete with cross section pics). 

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-goldwing-technical-forum/400426-design-differences-between-car-motorcycle-rim-tire.html

Not arguing either way, just found it interesting.   angel
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2013, 07:07:01 AM »

Interesting post.  I worked for about 4 years in a tire shop and mounted many tires in that time.  I rode motorcycles with and with out car tires.  I mount my own tires, and one thing I noticed in mounting car tires on a motorcycle rim, is that the car tire takes more air pressure to seat on a motorcycle rim than on a car rim.

I love the cornering, braking, and acceleration performance of the car tires on a motorcycle.  I have not seen anything in the article ( I admit, I glanced over some of the more technical parts) that would make me not run on the darkside.  The bead geometries may not be optimal, but they work.  The biggest equalizer is the fact that the car tires are designed to handle greater forces in their car applications than they will ever see on a motorcycle. 

It's a personal choice that I am more than comfortable with.
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2013, 02:09:05 PM »

My impression is that if you live in an area without many twisties, then a car tire may even be better.  What caught my attention was the wear cut-aways and the loading qualities of each type. 

For now, I still have a lot of experience to gain.  I live in an area that my Avons perform very well in (Big Sur coast area).  By the time I need to change tires, I should be in Virginia Beach (not many twisties, rain on a normal basis) and a car tire may look very attractive.

I've seen where many people have had no problem whatsoever with a car tire, even with the twisties (most notably, Dag with his cool video).  At any rate, the post seems very informative (and thorough) and as close to  an unbiased approach to searching for knowledge on this topic that I have yet found.
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« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2013, 02:41:38 PM »

Over 40 K on a GYTT... Getting another CT soon. Smiley
I could break traction on the MC tire anytime I wanted, not so on a CT,
I CAN and DO ride to the limits of the bike
Not going back to a MC tire....
Nuff said........ cooldude

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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2013, 03:23:31 PM »

my buddys , myself, my brother have well over 150,000 miles on car tars . my point is there not safe ,, ride on
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« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2013, 03:51:56 PM »

my buddys , myself, my brother have well over 150,000 miles on car tars . my point is there not safe ,, ride on

I couldn't agree more, big fella.
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« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2013, 08:05:44 PM »

I may be an old fart, but not necessarily an old long time rider. I rode in the late 70's to late 80's, then life got in the way and I didn't ride til I got a Kawasaki Vulcan (for one month), then the Valk in 2010. I had less than 4 K on it when I lost a back tire and was appalled at the cost of a replacement tire. I went with a CT, only got 20K out of it as it was a really soft compound tire, had a flat profile and did require some serious input in the twisties, but once I got 8K on it either the tire changed or I did. Felt like a different bike all together, much easier in the twistie s requiring less counter steer, but still sucked in the ruts.
When that tire wore out I bought a different brand of tire with a more rounded profile. This tire has really been the cats meow, I don't seem to need any more countersteer in the corners than I need on the Goldwing or the BMW. The tire is much better on rougher roads but you do know it's there when you hit the ruts  and in slow speed rough surface riding. Which, BTW, you also notice on the two bikes with MC rear tires. As long as I own the Valk, it will have a CT on it, if I keep the Wing it will get one for it's next tire. The BMW will keep the MC tire.
I don't race any of my bikes, but I do ride them and relish the curves. I am not the fastest but definitely not even close to the slowest.  I like my CT.  Period........
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2013, 08:20:51 PM »

Car Tires Work, all the way to the maximum limit.




And they work two up as well

any non believers want to contest?
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2013, 08:33:29 PM »

don't matter to me what you run for tires, but last week i was at my local honda dealer and watched them unload a totaled goldwing, (owner in critical cond.) the bike had a car tire on the back with the entire sidewall separated from the tread on one side, he was riding the curves hard up on grand mesa when the tire separated. the bike traveled 200 feet over the side of the road and straight down, (ouch!)

think i'll stick to my dunlops thank you very much.
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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2013, 08:37:02 PM »

I'm not arguing either way, just found this guy's post to be pretty neat and unbiased and wanted to share.

http://www.goldwingfacts.com/forums/2-goldwing-technical-forum/400426-design-differences-between-car-motorcycle-rim-tire.html
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« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »

Today, I did the annual ride to Wright's Chicken Farm in R.I. (Great all you can eat chicken place) with the group of friends I ride with.  Everyone else rides HD's with M/C tires.  I ride dbl darkside with a Taxi Tire rear.

We are not your average putt, putt around riders, nor are we consistent peg scrappers, we get down the road.

Most of us are two-up.

New England roads basically suck compared to most other parts of the county.

I have never had any issue with keeping up, or with handling, caused by my CT.

I just completed the almost 600 miles of the Skyline Trail and the BRP, then topped it off with a ride by Fontana Lake, up and down Deals Gap, then the Cherohala to Tellico Plains.

I did a couple of Twisties, had no problems with the Darkside.

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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2013, 09:09:09 PM »

Throwin a leg over is dangerous whether or not we want to admit it. Not on the Valkyrie but on 2 other motorcycles I've had rear tires let go. And those machines were on motorcycle specific tires. My Valkyrie has been D/S since I took off the E 3s that came on it. I'm not gonna say it can't happen with a D/S choice but I feel better overall with the D/S on this heavy bitch I ride than the motorcycle specific tires I've ridden in the past. Draggin pegs poses no problem with my D/S tire.  cooldude RIDE SAFE.
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