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« on: May 06, 2013, 06:00:45 AM » |
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Found the post below on AR15.com quite humorous.... but sad..... He thought ammo prices were insane back in 2006?? About $6.88 a brick (500). What a difference 6 or 7 years makes. A brick was referred to as 500 or 10 boxes of 50 as I recall. Now the price for 100 is at just about $7.50 (and that is normal retail (WalMart) prices... not the insane Gun Broker prices which are 3 or 4 times as much as retail).
"Precious Metals" has a new meaning.... had I known then, when I know now..... I would have stocked up and cashed out about now.... and had more cash for gas, chrome and beer
Posted: 12/5/2006 2:12:05 AM
Since I got my Ciener kit I've done a lot of 22lr days at the range, actually that's all I shoot these days with the insane ammo prices. I went to Walmart and picked up some FEDERAL 510 Champion Target 40gr Lubricated Lead Solid High Velocity (1240fps) for $6.88 per brick.
Does anyone have any experience with this ammo and how it work with the Ciener kits?
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 06:36:35 AM » |
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title s/b '.22lr ammo not available'. Supply and demand sucks. How hard is it to keep up production of just .22 ammo? Something is going on we don't know about, no way is there that many more .22 owners now vs. say 10 years ago that has the shortage so bad it is hard to find.
If I knew 5-7 years ago what I know now, I would've bought my .22 handgun I wanted back then for say 220 bucks vs. now 320-350 bucks, what a ripoff no way is a .22 handgun worth 100 bucks plus more. Plus, stocked up on ammo of all kinds.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 07:02:27 AM » |
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People are hoarding all the ammo. I have seen guys buy all they can at Wally World and know they are not shooting it all. Talked to a couple of guys and they are just stocking up and hoarding it because of fear. I figure that if worse comes to worse and I am in a fight for my life, if I survive the initial onslaught, I'll take my attackers ammo and guns and there's no reason to hoard.
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PAVALKER
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 07:43:08 AM » |
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People are hoarding all the ammo. I have seen guys buy all they can at Wally World and know they are not shooting it all. Talked to a couple of guys and they are just stocking up and hoarding it because of fear. I figure that if worse comes to worse and I am in a fight for my life, if I survive the initial onslaught, I'll take my attackers ammo and guns and there's no reason to hoard.
I don't think it's all about "attackers" or "fear" of being attacked etc, especially with .22lr. I think it is more of a concern that it won't be available or.... available only at a really high price. The .22 has been an economical round to shoot, have fun with your toys and not break the bank or take food off the table. Before this latest onset of gun restriction efforts, I was getting a box/brick here and there, now and then, just so I could ultimately save some money down the line, with price increases quite evident and more staring us in the face. And it has been a worth while money saving effort. I don't think ammo prices will ever go back down to Pre or even Early Obama prices, and the way things are going... it could be used to barter or as a form of currency. I am stilling getting a box/brick now and then when I can, but not at the same prices or in the same quantities obviously. I have a .40cal that I never shot, and didn't even have ammo for... it's still NIB (less occasional fondling)... and I have a twin in 9mm anyhow. Within the last year I started to get some ammo for it.... because I figured having some ammo to shoot out of it if/when needed made more sense than using it as an over priced rock. Besides, even if I never shoot it.... being able to sell it (if need be) with ammo is much more likely and appealing to a potential purchaser than selling it with no ammo available. As far as taking your attackers ammo..... that is provided your ammo supply can outlast his/hers. The old saying of "he who has the most toys wins" could very well be extended to "he who has the most guns/ammo has a significantly better chance of winning". Yes.... .22lr ammo, like may other calibers, has become very scarce..... at reasonable prices. However, if you go on GunBroker.com you can find ammo in any caliber, brand and flavor at outrageous prices.... and instead of people hoarding, I think it's people buying it all up cheap and selling it at those outrageous prices. The people buying it at those high prices are the ones to blame for the shortage at reasonable prices IMO..... It's about "supply and demand" and the increase in gun purchases has put a demand on ammo purchases as well, but so has the concern of guns and ammo not being available..... due to the liberals/democrats gun control efforts. I guess you could ultimately blame them?
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 08:08:06 AM » |
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I still can't believe you cannot go into your local hardware store, gun shop, etc. and not even be able to buy a 50/100 round box of .22 caliber at any time of the year no problems. Is the govt. putting restrictions on the ammo mfgs. saying to them they can only make so many of certain calibers? If so, fire the entire govt./impeach them all who are doing this to the average U.S. citizen.
Maybe I'll have to invest in a high powered .177 or .22 caliber BB gun next? Or will they be in high demand as well and short supply?
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 08:15:20 AM » |
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I still can't believe you cannot go into your local hardware store, gun shop, etc. and not even be able to buy a 50/100 round box of .22 caliber at any time of the year no problems. Is the govt. putting restrictions on the ammo mfgs. saying to them they can only make so many of certain calibers? If so, fire the entire govt./impeach them all who are doing this to the average U.S. citizen.
Maybe I'll have to invest in a high powered .177 or .22 caliber BB gun next? Or will they be in high demand as well and short supply?
I have read others also moving towards the air pellet/bb guns... some of which are interesting and high powered (considering). So .... I expect others to also be moving in that direction and guessing there will be more of a demand. But I noticed it is plenty and available at Walmart (in the Ammo case too).
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 10:42:54 AM » |
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A box a payday. And three gallons of water. Every payday. Pellets are getting tougher too. The 22's arent drying up, but I bought the last can at wammart. I'm laying them in too.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2013, 11:05:52 AM » |
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I asked the clerk at the ACE Hardware in town "when do you get ammo shipments?" she said "not since I've been working here." 
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2013, 02:33:04 PM » |
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.22 is a low profit product. currently .223 is by far the best seller and it has a much higher profit per unit ratio. companies are all about making money, so what would you produce?
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 05:04:14 PM » |
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Boss bought a brick of 550 rds for $70 last week. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2013, 05:07:52 PM » |
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I asked the clerk at the ACE Hardware in town "when do you get ammo shipments?" she said "not since I've been working here."  I don't think our ACE carries ammo either.... but I will have to check on that. A friend of mine took me to one of his local hardware stores (not a chain) and sure enough (shocked me)... they had guns and ammo for sale.... very high priced, but still for sale.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2013, 05:10:50 PM » |
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Boss bought a brick of 550 rds for $70 last week.  And that's why the ammo is scarce.... supply and demand.... if there isn't any to be had (easily), then the price goes up... and in this case... waaay up. Did he buy it on Gun Broker?
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2013, 05:24:37 PM » |
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I still can't believe you cannot go into your local hardware store, gun shop, etc. and not even be able to buy a 50/100 round box of .22 caliber at any time of the year no problems. Is the govt. putting restrictions on the ammo mfgs. saying to them they can only make so many of certain calibers? If so, fire the entire govt./impeach them all who are doing this to the average U.S. citizen.
Maybe I'll have to invest in a high powered .177 or .22 caliber BB gun next? Or will they be in high demand as well and short supply?
good luck finding pellets...they have been hard to find in any quantity AND reasonably priced just like .22 ammo....
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 06:28:46 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2013, 06:37:34 PM » |
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I asked the clerk at the ACE Hardware in town "when do you get ammo shipments?" she said "not since I've been working here."  I don't think our ACE carries ammo either.... but I will have to check on that. A friend of mine took me to one of his local hardware stores (not a chain) and sure enough (shocked me)... they had guns and ammo for sale.... very high priced, but still for sale. They do sell ammo, they just don't get any to sell. they still have the display case and it's nearly empty
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2013, 07:30:37 PM » |
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I recently got an FFL again after a 30 hiatus. I had planned on keeping a good supply of ammo and reloading supplies ready to sell to friends and family.
let me tell you, at least as a new FFL there is not much available to me unless I want to pay insane prices. I'm on several notify lists where wholesalers send me an E when they get ammo in that I want. But, since I can't check my phone at work and don't have a "smart phone" anyway I'm always too late. And I mean "an hour is too late".
22LR, reloading primers and most powder, 380, 9mm, it must only be made on Tuesdays at midnight in a rickshaw on the island of misfit toys by blind 3 legged swamp donkeys. Must be made from Unobtainium too.
Same with most semi-auto handguns and rifles. They are just not out there, at least not for small, new customers like me.
My 401's doing OK right now but it would be rocking if it could be invested in Ruger, KelTec and Hornady I imagine.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2013, 07:51:10 PM » |
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Yes between people hoarding and the government buying up ammo, prices are out of sight! I was at the jockey lot a couple weeks ago and a brick of.22s were going for $90 and .223 @ $1.60 a round! Needless to say I don't go to the range much! 
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2013, 08:44:22 PM » |
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I bought enough 22's to last a while before the 22 shortage started so I still shoot my 22's some. On my center fires, I'm pretty well sticking to shooting wax bullets from the 357 and not doing a lot of that because you can't buy primers and doing a lot of dry firing with the 1911.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2013, 06:10:07 AM » |
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I bought enough 22's to last a while before the 22 shortage started so I still shoot my 22's some. On my center fires, I'm pretty well sticking to shooting wax bullets from the 357 and not doing a lot of that because you can't buy primers and doing a lot of dry firing with the 1911.
Yeah I buy .38 wad cutters for my .357 just for plinking for $15 and .45s for the same price @ the JL.
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