Sergeant D
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So your bike has how many cylinders?
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« on: August 24, 2013, 06:29:24 PM » |
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DURING MY FIRST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND DISCOVERED DRY WORN SPLINES. PREVIOUS OWNER SWORE EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY THE BOOK. ANYHOW, I AM NOW FACED WITH TWO BAD CHOICES. REPLACE THE SPLINES AND FINAL GEAR OR RIDE HER AS SHE IS, BUT WELL LUBED. SEEING I JUST SPENT HUNDREDS ON NEW TIRES, BRAKES AND ALLTHE NEEDED GASKETS, HERE IS THE 10,000 DOLLAR QUESTION.
HOW BAD IS DON'T RIDE IT UNTIL YOU FIX IT PROPERLY AND WHAT FURTHER DAMAGE CAN HAPPEN?
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"It's a friggen motorcycle, it's not supposed to be comfortable, quiet or safe. The windnoise is supposed to hurt your ears, the seat should be hard and riding it should make you crap your pants every now and then."
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 06:45:24 PM » |
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Too bad for the find. So many people think doing things by the book means all is well. Hondas Moly paste is OK if it's relubed every 10K but rear tires last longer than that. I hope you used Bel Ray waterproof grease or Guard Dog grease. Other greases will work but these are the 2 popular choices. A guy I knew ran his till the splines were gone and he had to tow it to my house for repairs. Big BF rebuilt it for $600 including parts. That was several years ago. Don't take long trips and keep your towing insurance updated. You might be surprised how long it will last. Good luck
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 06:46:20 PM » |
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I am sure you can get some advice as to the ride-ability of your worn splines if you post a nice clean close up picture.......oh, and stop shouting with the capital letters  ...... |
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 06:47:26 PM » |
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There is a final drive for sale here on the board classifieds. RIDE SAFE.
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fudgie
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 07:00:29 AM » |
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What exactly is worn? They way I take your post is the pinion cup is bad and not the whole final drive. Could be a cheap fix.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013, 07:56:23 AM » |
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Pictures.... clean pictures..... show the wheel splines, pinion cup, drive line and the driven flange,, lets see how much damage you have.
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Hoser
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 08:27:48 AM » |
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If the splines are moderately worn, proper maintenance from now on will last a long time. We will need pics to help you determine if they are still usable. If you can email pics, some one here will post them. Or get instructions on setting up your own site. Many of us use the free site from photobucket. Hoser
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 08:35:53 AM » |
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Sergeant D
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So your bike has how many cylinders?
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2013, 06:18:52 PM » |
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"It's a friggen motorcycle, it's not supposed to be comfortable, quiet or safe. The windnoise is supposed to hurt your ears, the seat should be hard and riding it should make you crap your pants every now and then."
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fudgie
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013, 06:28:36 PM » |
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first 2 pic everything looks good. The drive shaft looks alittle worn tho. Not sure about the drive gears, it looks wore. Someone else will know more.
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013, 06:41:34 PM » |
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Looks to me the shaft & pinion cup are fine but that flange and drive gear are wore pretty good. If it was me I would lube it good with new O-rings and be on the lookout for a rearend. I`m really curious why your axle is so pitted? It seems really bad to me.
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Valkpilot
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 06:51:11 PM » |
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Looks to me the shaft & pinion cup are fine but that flange and drive gear are wore pretty good. If it was me I would lube it good with new O-rings and be on the lookout for a rearend. I`m really curious why your axle is so pitted? It seems really bad to me.
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Sergeant D
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So your bike has how many cylinders?
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 06:54:28 PM » |
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The axle was my first warning that things might get bad in a hurry. I had to sledge it out with a socket extension. Starting to think the previous owner just slapped everything together and sold me the bike without greasing anything. The axle looks bad now, and that's after working it with steel wool for at least 30 min. Anyhow, this will all be an expensive lesson, but my scheduled maintenance just dropped to every oil change.
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"It's a friggen motorcycle, it's not supposed to be comfortable, quiet or safe. The windnoise is supposed to hurt your ears, the seat should be hard and riding it should make you crap your pants every now and then."
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Valkpilot
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 07:07:48 PM » |
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The axle was my first warning that things might get bad in a hurry. I had to sledge it out with a socket extension. Starting to think the previous owner just slapped everything together and sold me the bike without greasing anything. The axle looks bad now, and that's after working it with steel wool for at least 30 min. Anyhow, this will all be an expensive lesson, but my scheduled maintenance just dropped to every oil change.
What was the condition of the O-rings when you dismantled everything? |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 07:22:20 PM » |
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The wear on the flange (and probably same on the final drive) is significant but not too awful. Good lube proper assembly and it should last a long time still. Why are the pins unscrewed on the flange? There is no need to ever do that, just gives them things a reason to come loose while riding and thats always bad!
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Sergeant D
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2013, 08:09:31 PM » |
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Valkpilot. All the o-rings were in place and still pliable albiet very dusty. Another indicator of potential problem areas were the upper shock bushings. They were completely shot. Basically torn in half. I immediately replaced them with a set from Gary's widow.
ChrisCMA. Are you referring to the nuts on the wheel flange? Nothing came apart without a whole lot of coaxing and penetrating oil. When I reassemble; figured I could just use loctite. Am I making things worse?
Found a 99 Goldwing final drive; ujoint; spline; shaft; ect for 300 Us plus 70 shipping. Will it all fit?
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2013, 08:15:56 PM » |
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Valkpilot. All the o-rings were in place and still pliable albiet very dusty. Another indicator of potential problem areas were the upper shock bushings. They were completely shot. Basically torn in half. I immediately replaced them with a set from Gary's widow.
ChrisCMA. Are you referring to the nuts on the wheel flange? Nothing came apart without a whole lot of coaxing and penetrating oil. When I reassemble; figured I could just use loctite. Am I making things worse?
Found a 99 Goldwing final drive; ujoint; spline; shaft; ect for 300 Us plus 70 shipping. Will it all fit?
Yes a cardinal sin to mess with the pins. Dont wait until they are on the wheel to tighten them, you wont be able to get enough torque on them and you will be creating a time bomb. If they come loose youre whole drive drain gets ruined. Secure the flange in a vise, use RED locktite and torqe them to spec. The spline out of the wing will interchange but the final drive wont bolt up |
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Valkpilot
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2013, 08:36:20 PM » |
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Found a 99 Goldwing final drive; ujoint; spline; shaft; ect for 300 Us plus 70 shipping. Will it all fit?
As Chris said, the spline cup from the GW final drive can be pressed from the gear and pressed into your final drive gear. A competent machine shop should be able to do it in a few minutes. Can you get the star hub too? It's best to match a used star hub with the female spline cup, otherwise one has to wear to mate with the other. The pinion cup is interchangeable too, but the driveshaft is not. The GW drive shaft is too long. New pinion cups and drive shafts are available for reasonable cost. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2013, 08:55:51 PM » |
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$370 for the wing parts sounds a bit expensive. I found a wing final with good splines for $60 with shipping on eBay when I had to do mine Your pictures show excessive wear only to the final splines and the driven flange.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 09:03:03 PM » |
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Valkpilot. All the o-rings were in place and still pliable albiet very dusty. Another indicator of potential problem areas were the upper shock bushings. They were completely shot. Basically torn in half. I immediately replaced them with a set from Gary's widow.
ChrisCMA. Are you referring to the nuts on the wheel flange? Nothing came apart without a whole lot of coaxing and penetrating oil. When I reassemble; figured I could just use loctite. Am I making things worse?
Found a 99 Goldwing final drive; ujoint; spline; shaft; ect for 300 Us plus 70 shipping. Will it all fit?
The U joint and the spline parts will work, but the shaft and drive unit whole will not work. Drive shaft is too long on the wing. |
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Chrisj CMA
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2013, 05:37:50 AM » |
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Valkpilot. All the o-rings were in place and still pliable albiet very dusty. Another indicator of potential problem areas were the upper shock bushings. They were completely shot. Basically torn in half. I immediately replaced them with a set from Gary's widow.
ChrisCMA. Are you referring to the nuts on the wheel flange? Nothing came apart without a whole lot of coaxing and penetrating oil. When I reassemble; figured I could just use loctite. Am I making things worse?
Found a 99 Goldwing final drive; ujoint; spline; shaft; ect for 300 Us plus 70 shipping. Will it all fit?
The U joint and the spline parts will work, but the shaft and drive unit whole will not work. Drive shaft is too long on the wing. the 97 1500 wing uses the same drive shaft as the Valkyrie |
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