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Putting the back end back together after a tire change and rear end service. I should have payed more attention to it when I broke it all down, but there is a machine lip on the rim. Should this lip fit into the plastic shield on the wheel side of the differential. Everything is together, spins right, torqued down, and the wheel appears centered, but I figured I'd ask rather than find out something wasn't seated all the way. I can't imagine the splines aren't seated fully considering how precise they are, but it is of slight concern.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2013, 01:17:23 PM » |
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It's fine. That's the way it sits. This comes up a lot   |
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2013, 01:21:14 PM » |
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Awesome, I must have missed that in all my reading getting ready for this. Rear end maintenenace isn't as bad as I had feared, but I'm glad I was prepared for it. My wife isn't going to be happy until I replace the measuring cup I sacrificed to the garage gods to measure out 170mL of final drive oil. Now onto a beer or 3, it's pushing 100 and humid here.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2013, 02:01:26 PM » |
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Putting the back end back together after a tire change and rear end service. I should have payed more attention to it when I broke it all down, but there is a machine lip on the rim. Should this lip fit into the plastic shield on the wheel side of the differential. Everything is together, spins right, torqued down, and the wheel appears centered, but I figured I'd ask rather than find out something wasn't seated all the way. I can't imagine the splines aren't seated fully considering how precise they are, but it is of slight concern.
As long as you tightened the axle with the four final drive bolts loose, then tightened the four bolts, all should be good |
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 02:04:38 PM » |
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If you added 170ml you were 20ml heavy. It could make a small mess if it comes out the vent
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013, 06:50:09 PM » |
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If you added 170ml you were 20ml heavy. It could make a small mess if it comes out the vent
The service manual specifies 170mL at a dissassemble and I figured that since it was totally off and I propped it upside down for an hour to drain, that would be the equivelent of a teardown. 150mL is for a drain which probably leaves some in the bottom. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 07:25:55 PM » |
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If you added 170ml you were 20ml heavy. It could make a small mess if it comes out the vent
The service manual specifies 170mL at a dissassemble and I figured that since it was totally off and I propped it upside down for an hour to drain, that would be the equivelent of a teardown. 150mL is for a drain which probably leaves some in the bottom. I understand your thinking there....however, I have done mine the same way as you did, filled it with 150cc and then after all back together cracked the fill hole open with the bike standing straight up and it started to weep from the fill hole, so that 150cc is still good even with a GOOD drain. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 08:03:14 PM » |
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Understood. The check between changes is full to the fill plug, right? I'll pull the plug tomorrow and see what she does.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2013, 11:07:17 AM » |
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I understand your thinking there....however, I have done mine the same way as you did, filled it with 150cc and then after all back together cracked the fill hole open with the bike standing straight up and it started to weep from the fill hole, so that 150cc is still good even with a GOOD drain. [/quote] Could this be the difference, 20cc's that lubes the pinion cup for some and not for the others that use only 150cc's) ? |
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2013, 04:07:30 PM » |
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Could this be the difference, 20cc's that lubes the pinion cup for some and not for the others that use only 150cc's) ?
In a word, no. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2013, 04:23:40 PM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2013, 05:03:30 PM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways. There have certainly been discussions and arguments, but no one as of yet has made a claim to more oil in the final drive being required to do so. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 09:50:19 AM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways.
A definitive answer. On the internet...  |
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 09:20:48 PM » |
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If you put everything in, spacer, oil seal, brake support etc and you can still put the axle nut on it's in the right place. You can't install the rear wheel incorrectly; if it bolts up it's right.
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2013, 02:22:33 AM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways.
A definitive answer. On the internet... My money is on using Honda Moly 60 paste on the splines and not trusting in the final drive oil to make it's way in in the face of centrifugal force. I'm unclear on the role of the holes in the pinion cup but the correct grease has to be there, no question. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 05:46:26 AM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways.
A definitive answer. On the internet... My money is on using Honda Moly 60 paste on the splines and not trusting in the final drive oil to make it's way in in the face of centrifugal force. I'm unclear on the role of the holes in the pinion cup but the correct grease has to be there, no question. Great question! My money is also with these guys. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 09:32:35 AM » |
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Has there ever been a definitive answer on what role final drive oil plays in lubing the pinion cup? I know there is a passage but I have seen arguments both ways.
A definitive answer. On the internet... My money is on using Honda Moly 60 paste on the splines and not trusting in the final drive oil to make it's way in in the face of centrifugal force. I'm unclear on the role of the holes in the pinion cup but the correct grease has to be there, no question. I am clear on the role of the holes. Moly 60 paste is the wrong stuff for the pinion cup. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 10:38:24 AM » |
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Oh....what is correct then?
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Moly 60 paste is the wrong stuff for the pinion cup.
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 11:50:42 AM » |
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Honda calls for moly grease (and a very small amount of it) on the pinion cup. The paste is called for the drive splines and the u-joint splines.
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 06:21:25 PM » |
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I used Guard Dog Moly Grease on everything.
Owner of Guard Dog recommended it for splines, and he sells paste also.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2013, 07:10:24 PM » |
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Honda calls for moly grease (and a very small amount of it) on the pinion cup. The paste is called for the drive splines and the u-joint splines.
Now if I remember right Daniel, the pictures of the 2 grams of Moly grease Honda wants in the pinion cup showed that it is not really " (and a very small amount of it)" , and when you put that amount in there it seems to be enough to do a thorough lubrication,,,,, at least for awhile |
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