Little more desmog help...think I got it figured out!

[biguglyman]

Tackled this today and I think I got it pretty much licked. Couple of questions for the knowledgeable here. First, here is a pic of the top of the engine. I have parts left over from my shiny desmog. I think they are mostly bolts and brackets to plug holes that I think are already plugged by bolts. Opinions?



Second, is this where the plug from the shiny desmog kit goes on the airbox? (Red circle) The pink arrow indicates a hole already plugged by silicone. If someone could tell me where the hose indicated by the blue arrow goes, I would appreciate it.



Notes: Some instructions recommend removing the exhaust. I did not find this necessary. Also, chrome is pretty, but gets in the way sometimes. I did end up removing crash bars and plug shields. Will probably finish buttoning up tomorrow and see if it still runs.

[AZdougness]

A picture of the left over parts would be very helpful.

You plugged the correct whole on the air box. The other two lines from what I remember I believe one is a drain and one goes to the crank breather, I think.

[WamegoRob]

Lots of info with pics here if you haven't looked through it yet:

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/desmog.htm

[biguglyman]

I used that excellent write-up to help me with this. The biggest problem I'm having is confusion because someone in this bikes past already did a "sorta" desmog. Trying to separate what was done from what I need to do with my shiny desmog kit has been an adventure. Will post more pix soon.

[biguglyman]

First, here are the parts I removed:



Second, here are the redeye parts I have "leftover".



Last, the red arrows point to where I think the redeye parts go. Looks like the holes are already plugged. Similar ones on other side of engine. Is this correct?



What do you think? Time to button it up and ride?

[Farther]

I don't have the shiney stuff but from looking at the pictures on the Redeye site it looks like the wires are part of the hold down for the plugs on the upper engine and the bolts are for the block off plates on the bottom of the engine.  The others are additional shims and washers that should be used but maybe extras.  Go to this page and ask the seller a question by clicking the link:  http://redeye.ecrater.com/p/8464393/shiny-desmog-kit-chrome-honda

[pancho]

Is that little manifold with the six hoses connected to it in the picture of the parts you removed you carb drain lines????  You may want to think about keeping that together,,  otherwise you will have a puddle of gas on top of your motor if you ever need to drain them.  Just a thought while you are trying to figure out where all the extra parts go.

[biguglyman]

Yes, those are the carb drains. I took them off to clean up the area even more. If I need to drain the carbs, I will put a line on then.

[John Schmidt]

Yes, those are the carb drains. I took them off to clean up the area even more. If I need to drain the carbs, I will put a line on then.

Really? Their presence is rather insignificant if left in place once all the smog crap is removed, and quite handy when needed.

[BradValk48237]

The holes on top of the motor that you are showing do not need to be plugged... they are just the holes for the screws that held down the pair valve. you could put a screw in them to make all purity, but not necessary, they are not vacuum.

As long as you plugged the 4 holes on the top of the heads (where the chromes lines attached at each end of the head-2 on each side) and the 2 holes on the bottom of the heads (once again where the chrome tubes attached-one on each side) above the pipes, and the one hole in the air box, then you are good to go.

 You could put the carb drains back on......

Brad

[6tigo]

Those clips, pads and shims are for holding the four “shiny” plugs in the heads. Are they just push in with no retention?

[biguglyman]

Yeah, the shiny plugs come with o-rings and a teflon washer. I didn't know they needed to be secured with those wires too. Thanks.

[Kep]

Yes that's what those wires and shims are for , to hold the crankase plugs in place.

[biguglyman]

Still in the reassembly process. Confused by a couple more items. First, look above at the pic of my airbox. Seems to me the nipple I plugged should go to the breather. The clear hose on the other nipple apparently goes no place and attaches to nothing. Plug that? Here's a pic of the breather hose. Looks like it lines up with the nipple I put the plug on. Guess my question is, swap plug to other nipple with the hose hanging off and connect currently plugged nipple to breather?



Second point of confusion. I still have two unidentified vacuum hoses and no idea where they're supposed to go or what to do with them. They come off a tube between the rear two carbs. One on each side. They are just hanging there attached to nothing.



I'm getting too old for this stuff. Can't get up off the garage floor like I used too. And how the hell are you supposed to get hands on all these hose connections? It's been at least 30 years since I tried wrenching my own stuff. Used to do it all the time when I was younger. Thanks to Dan's tech sessions at Inzane, I think I could tackle the rear end of the fat girl, but this desmog has me ready to give up.

[ValkFlyer]

The clear tube is the dragon drool tube, it runs to the underside of the bike and has a small plug that you pull periodically to drain the fluid which collects in the airbox via the crankcase breather.  The black plugged tube does indeed connect to the crankcase breather.

In the second pic concerning the two tubes running between the carburetors on either side.  These feed the fuel rails to the carbs.  Look closely and ask yourself how you're supposed to get fuel to the carbs.

Still in the reassembly process. Confused by a couple more items. First, look above at the pic of my airbox. Seems to me the nipple I plugged should go to the breather. The clear hose on the other nipple apparently goes no place and attaches to nothing. Plug that? Here's a pic of the breather hose. Looks like it lines up with the nipple I put the plug on. Guess my question is, swap plug to other nipple with the hose hanging off and connect currently plugged nipple to breather?



Second point of confusion. I still have two unidentified vacuum hoses and no idea where they're supposed to go or what to do with them. They come off a tube between the rear two carbs. One on each side. They are just hanging there attached to nothing.



I'm getting too old for this stuff. Can't get up off the garage floor like I used too. And how the hell are you supposed to get hands on all these hose connections? It's been at least 30 years since I tried wrenching my own stuff. Used to do it all the time when I was younger. Thanks to Dan's tech sessions at Inzane, I think I could tackle the rear end of the fat girl, but this desmog has me ready to give up.

[whitestroke]

The vacuum lines can be run to a small universal fuel filter on one end and left open to the atmosphere on the other end, They need to breath filtered air. I think I was told they let carb pressure equalize, so they don't leak fuel.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,39190.msg368610.html#msg368610

[biguglyman]

They are the vacuum lines whitestroke shows, not fuel lines. Why plug the breather hose? Why not connect it to the crankcase breather? I thought that other line might be the drool tube but it looks like I lost my plug!

[salty1]

Sounds like your just about finished with your desmog. As a finishing touch, you might want to consider synchronizing your carbs. I've installed two bright desmog kits and will admit the first was more difficult. Putting Kuryakyn plugs covers on too doubles the fun.

[Farther]

I do like those plug covers!

[Chiefy]

You're not done.  Here is what the shiny desmog looks like:


To the right of center you see one of the white plugs and hold down wire, your pic still shows them in the bag.


Another view


Bottom

[Jabba]

I reused my OEM hold downs for the RedEYE shiny kit.  they were prettier than the RedEYE ones.  I may have been unable to use 1 or 2 of the OEM ones... But I know I used a couple of them.

Jabba

[Squealy]

I reused my OEM hold downs for the RedEYE shiny kit.  they were prettier than the RedEYE ones.  I may have been unable to use 1 or 2 of the OEM ones... But I know I used a couple of them.

We reused the back two OEM hold downs.  the front two hold downs are the ones from the redeye kits...

[biguglyman]

Yeah, I re-used 2 of the oem hold downs and yes, I have the kury plug covers and they do make the job more...interesting. Carb synch definitely in my future.

[biguglyman]

Actually, it looks like the "drool tube" comes off the crankcase breather. I think that other hose is just a drain of some kind? Connect breather to airbox nipple and plug hole where drain hose is? Wish I had a pic of what it's supposed to look like.

[biguglyman]

Found a helpful diagram. The long, clear tube coming off the bottom of the airbox connects to a T under the breather. This T connects to the breather and drool tube. Should have it buttoned up today sometime and a few more pix to boot. Thanks to Dag and the video of the zip tie trick, airbox was the least of my problems. Here's the diagram I found: