Barak Obama -- Political Mastermind

[Moonshot_1]

Wow. I am humbled by his prowess.

Absolute disaster on the healthcare front, not a crevice to hide in. Pounded by even his closest allies.


No problem.

"hey everybody--- $10+ minimum wage. We'll have a law that makes the rich pay you more!"


How do you stop that?

Maybe the GOP should throw a $75.17 per hour minimum wage into the melee.

Think of what a family could do with money like that!

[old2soon]

That would be all well and good UNTIL hamburger is $24.00 a pound bread is $21.00 a loaf gasoline is $327.99 a gallon-you get the idea. And DO NOT fergit-the obuminater apologized fer folks losin the insurance they ALREADY had-so it's ALL good now.  Where or where is the sarcasm font when ya REALLY need it??  RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

Folks losing their insurance ? Our president just said 2 minutes ago that it was only going to be 5% !  So far almost 5 million have received notice, what percentage is that.
He's still getting away with this.

[Serk]

So far almost 5 million have received notice, what percentage is that.

5 million out of 300 million population is 1.666%.

[Patrick]

So far almost 5 million have received notice, what percentage is that.

5 million out of 300 million population is 1.666%.

Isn't this just the start ?

[bentwrench]

That SOB did not apoligize!He said he was sorry we misunderstood him>
I have never felt such disgust and hatred for my own govt.
BW

[Chrisj CMA]

Hang on people, it will get much worse than this.  You have to decide right now which side are you going to take?  Are you going to be on the side of the "bend over and take it" folks.  OR, are you going to be non the side of the stand up and fight people.  I have decided.....Im not going to bend over and take this stuff.

[f6john]

    Perfect example of the frog in the pan of water. We can only hope it gets worse fast! Otherwise most of the population, the Democratic side at least, will die a slow death as the temperture is slowly raised in the water pan. The rest of us will only get the pleasure of saying, I told you so, as we cook along side them.

[..]

Uh - Oh a political post   

[C908]

Remember the Government is not your friend. 

[Patrick]

Democrats ?  It was recently election time in New York just as it was across the nation, and, democrats won big. Democrats took offices upstate once traditionally held by republicans. Makes you go Hmmmm.

[bentwrench]

That's the best part of being a democrat,you get to keep voting even after your dead.

[MarkT]

Everybody who ever worked for the federal govt gave an oath to preserve and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  That is at a minumum, EVERY VETERAN AND ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY.  I'm pretty sure, all federal politicians as well.  HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of oath givers. Homobama is the worst domestic AND foreign (Kenyan) enemy of the Constitution since King George III - and that's a statement that is verifiable by facts, not opinion. So why have there been no oath keepers doing what we swore to do? That is, defending the Constitution against this domestic enemy?  I don't get it.  So are they going to take me out for stating the obvious?  I don't much care anymore.  What that scum has done to our country sickens and saddens me.

[R J]

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

[john]

Putting things in perspective.
March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.
December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.
What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this federal government to build a working webpage.
Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks, planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa, Invading Italy, D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin - all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!!
And this administration can't build a webpage!  My God, Help Us!                     

[G-Man]

All the "Democrats" have to do is promise change.  Doesn't matter what the change is.  I truly believe I have figured it out. 

You see, they have so many folks believing that they got the wrong end of ……….. everything.  That things aren't fair and under the other guys, it'll get worse.

Example, The new mayor in NYC just won on a platform of change.  His adds and his slogans were that New Yorkers have had enough and it's time to move in a new direction.  I am from New York City.  I presently live only 12 miles away from MY city.  Over the last 20 years of "conservative" mayors, NYC is the safest big city in the world (The Bronx and Dallas have the same population and Dallas has 3 times the murder rate), you don't see cars broken into or signs that say "no radio".  The Club no longer hangs on every steering wheel.  Nobodies sleeping in doorways, there's no graffiti, the unemployment rate is lower than the national average, Trains are clean at 3:00 AM, quality of life is soooooo much better than when I was a kid and young adult.  But all you have to do is promise a new direction.  Which direction is that?  Doesn't matter.  Again, NYC is the safest big city in the world, and one of the first things he's gonna do is replace the police commissioner to move the NYPD in a new direction.  Change!

I'm up way too late.

[.]

On a thread about abolishing the IRS someone said of throwing all those IRS employees out of work that sometimes the few have to suffer for the benefit of the many. Maybe when the suffering few are someone else it mitigates the suffering somewhat for those aren't suffering.

[Patrick]

On a thread about abolishing the IRS someone said of throwing all those IRS employees out of work that sometimes the few have to suffer for the benefit of the many. Maybe when the suffering few are someone else it mitigates the suffering somewhat for those aren't suffering.

Not a fan of a flat tax I see.   

[.]

On a thread about abolishing the IRS someone said of throwing all those IRS employees out of work that sometimes the few have to suffer for the benefit of the many. Maybe when the suffering few are someone else it mitigates the suffering somewhat for those aren't suffering.

Not a fan of a flat tax I see.   

I don't know if I'm a fan of it or not. I don't know enough about it. There's a lot of information out there but it's nearly impossible to distinguish between real information, information lite, and fact-free information. You can't make a good decision using bad information---period. But that doesn't seem to slow down the proliferation of urban legends passed along as gospel truth.

However, the point I was trying to make is that people have a generally favorable opinion toward solutions that don't affect them directly or negatively. In taxes it's like that old line, "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fella behind the tree," but it works the same no matter the issue. I'm sure a flat tax would be fine-for anyone who realizes a tax cut out of it. Anyone who would wind up paying substantially more would exhaust a lot of hot air making the case for it being unconstitutional.

Popcorn please?

[alph]

Uh - Oh a political post   

this surprises you how?   

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

yep, only a couple more years.........

[john]

[..]

I thought WE were better then THEM?

I'll call him a liar (he is) but some of these images are over the top and seem a tad childish.

Off me soap box. Moving on.

[Serk]

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

He's a Keynesian, not a Kenyan...

yep, only a couple more years.........

We have days to go until we can begin to repair the damage this man has caused to our great nation.

[f6john]

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

He's a Keynesian, not a Kenyan...

yep, only a couple more years.........

We have days to go until we can begin to repair the damage this man has caused to our great nation.

But let us not forget he had a lot of help. More fleas on this dog than we can count.

   

[Patrick]

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

He's a Keynesian, not a Kenyan...

yep, only a couple more years.........

We have days to go until we can begin to repair the damage this man has caused to our great nation.

Really think so ?  I certainly hope so, but, you think hillary will be any better ? She's in the background working hard right now.

[cma1]

just bear one thing in mind. no matter how bad it gets --GOD is still in control !!

[Daddie O]

When Obama took office America was losing 800,000 jobs a month.  Now we are adding 200,000 a month.  A million jobs a month difference.

Within a few months of Obama taking office, unemployment was at 10%.  Unemployment is now 7.2% and falling.

When Obama took office America was spending 1.4 trillion dollars a year more than we were taking in.  Now we are spending 680 billion more than we are taking in, and it's projected to continue to fall.  Over 700 billion dollars a year less in spending.

When Obama took office the Dow Jones was under 8,000.  The Dow Jones is now 15,783.  The Dow has doubled and set new records.

When Obama took office Chevy was going bankrupt.  After Obama secured financing for GM, Chevy is now turning record profits.

I could go on and on and on.  I know you hate the man.  Realize you don't hate him for all the spending reduction.  You don't hate him for doubling the value of your 401k.  You don't hate him because he has presided over 44 consecutive months of private sector job growth.  You don't hate him because your home value has risen.  You hate him because of something else......something to do with where his father was born....something to do with the amount of melanin in his skin.  This is the truth.  Maybe you don't want to admit it to yourselves.

Let me guess.  Bush had nothing to do with the massive expansion of government right?  And Obama has had nothing to do with the reduction in government jobs too?  Bush had nothing to do with massive borrowing and spending, and Obama had nothing to do with halving the spending right?  Bush had nothing to do with getting us involved in two wars, and Obama had nothing to do with getting us out of them.  Bush had nothing to do with the stock market tanking, and Obama has nothing to do with it doubling?  Do your arguments against Obama and his policies have a shred of anything resembling logic?

What of his policies do you hope to undo?  You want to go back to higher unemployment?  Do you prefer to go back to higher spending?  Maybe you think we should get involved in some more wars?  Oh, I know, you want the value of your stocks to plummet right?  You would prefer the American car manufacturers to go out of business?  You hate the fact that your home's value continues to rise, you want to go back to it falling right?  No, its not any of those, it's Obamacare!  You want to be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions right?  You would prefer it if your insurance company could kick you off your insurance when you get sick?  You want lifetime caps on benefits right?  Yeah we should definitely go back to that.  
 
But, but, Obama said I could keep my policy, and my insurance company cancelled it because my policy had terms that were now against the law.  They offered me a new policy with better coverage that meets the law's requirements.  That means Obama is a liar!  

[Freep]

On a thread about abolishing the IRS someone said of throwing all those IRS employees out of work that sometimes the few have to suffer for the benefit of the many. Maybe when the suffering few are someone else it mitigates the suffering somewhat for those aren't suffering.

I said that.

If you're gonna make an omelet you gotta break some eggs.
Sometimes some healthy tissue needs to be removed to excise the cancer.
I'd put another platitude up here but it's late and I can't think of one.

I've been one the "suffering few" and been 'downsized' a couple times and it sucks, but I found alternative employment and survived. Thrived actually.

Of course, if you think the IRS is doing a bang-up job and should continue, well, then all those folks get to keep their jobs and we continue to enjoy the benefits of their fine work.

By the way, in the UK you aren't 'downsized' you are 'made redundant.' Kinda harsh I thought. 

All that said, I really don't want to fight about it. Life's too short. Subscribe to the Fair Tax proposals or don't, your choice. Do have a look at the website though so an informed decision can be made.
Thanks.

[Daddie O]

I agree that our tax code needs an overhaul, but flat tax is not the answer.  The people that can better afford to pay more (like myself) should.  The people who cannot shouldn't.

[Freep]

I agree that our tax code needs an overhaul, but flat tax is not the answer.  The people that can better afford to pay more (like myself) should.  The people who cannot shouldn't.

www.fairtax.org is not a flat tax. It is a Value Added Tax, i.e. a sales tax.
Under the program there would be no income taxes, only a 23% sales tax.
Some things such as food, etc. would be exempt.
There would be provisions for those of low income.

A sales tax is inherently fair as those that can better afford to buy lots of stuff spend more money, therefore pay more tax.

The website explains it far better than can I.

[Bigun]

When Obama took office America was losing 800,000 jobs a month.  Now we are adding 200,000 a month.  A million jobs a month difference.

 Thats still a 600,000 Job net loss Not a million gain.

Within a few months of Obama taking office, unemployment was at 10%.  Unemployment is now 7.2% and falling.

Job participation as a percentage of us Population is at an all time low,  61% which means we are almost at 1 earner to 1 taker.

When Obama took office America was spending 1.4 trillion dollars a year more than we were taking in.  Now we are spending 680 billion more than we are taking in, and it's projected to continue to fall.  Over 700 billion dollars a year less in spending.  

 Blatent LIE  Over 17 trillion in debt and accelerating at an even more alarming rate.

When Obama took office the Dow Jones was under 8,000.  The Dow Jones is now 15,783.  The Dow has doubled and set new records.  

 Big deal he has made a lot of rich folks richer with NO trickle down to the working class.

When Obama took office Chevy was going bankrupt.  After Obama secured financing for GM, Chevy is now turning record profits.  

 And still hasnt paid back the bailout.

I could go on and on and on.  And will continue to stick up for this waste of skin.

 I know you hate the man.    Yep he's the Devil

 Realize you don't hate him for all the spending reduction.     Because he hasnt reduced a damn thing other than defense.      You don't hate him for doubling the value of your 401k Because he hasnt..  You don't hate him because he has presided over 44 consecutive months of private sector job growth.    In part time or low wage jobs.    You don't hate him because your home value has risen. Less than half of what it was worth when he took office.  You hate him because of something else......something to do with where his father was born....something to do with the amount of melanin in his skin.  This is the truth. BULL crap.  Maybe you don't want to admit it to yourselves.

Let me guess.  Bush had nothing to do with the massive expansion of government right? During his last term when the Democrats had controll of the house and senate.   And Obama has had nothing to do with the reduction in government jobs too? Govt jobs have been the only expansion during his term.    Bush had nothing to do with massive borrowing and spending, and Obama had nothing to do with halving the spending right? YOU Are truley delusional time to get back on your meds.   Bush had nothing to do with getting us involved in two wars, Last I checked we were attacked and Obama is supporting the moslem brotherhood  OUR ENEMY and Obama had nothing to do with getting us out of them.  Bush had nothing to do with the stock market tanking, and Obama has nothing to do with it doubling?  Do your arguments against Obama and his policies have a shred of anything resembling logic?

What of his policies do you hope to undo?  You want to go back to higher unemployment?  Do you prefer to go back to higher spending?  Maybe you think we should get involved in some more wars?  Oh, I know, you want the value of your stocks to plummet right?  You would prefer the American car manufacturers to go out of business?  You hate the fact that your home's value continues to rise, you want to go back to it falling right?  No, its not any of those, it's Obamacare!  You want to be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions right?  You would prefer it if your insurance company could kick you off your insurance when you get sick?  You want lifetime caps on benefits right?  Yeah we should definitely go back to that.  
 
But, but, Obama said I could keep my policy, and my insurance company cancelled it because my policy had terms that were now against the law.  They offered me a new policy with better coverage that meets the law's requirements.  That means Obama is a liar!  

At double the cost. You sir are as intellectually dishonest as your hero.

[Bigun]

GOOOOOODDDDD DOGGIE

[john]

We hear the phrase bandied about that our government has been “infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.”
That those who have openly called for the destruction of the United States are embedded in our government.
It sounds like something out of a spy novel.
But they say truth is stranger than fiction.
Huma Abedin, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff, privy to top secret information, has deep ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Valerie Jarrett, chief advisor to Obama—some say the most powerful person in the White House, even more so than Obama—made it her first piece of business in 2009 of addressing the Islamic Society of North America’s (ISNA) 46th annual convention.
ISNA was found to be a co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case, guilty of funneling millions of dollars to Hamas.
The head of ISNA, Mohamed Magid, was fêted at the White House as recently as last August, sitting next to Obama at the Iftar dinner, a place normally reserved for heads of state.
Think about it. The head of an organization found guilty of funneling money to terrorists sitting next to the President of the United States.
You can’t make this stuff up.
And that is only the beginning of the Muslim Brotherhood’s tentacles within our government. There have been literally hundreds of meetings with the State Department, the FBI, and the White House (just to name a few), all with Muslim Brotherhood front groups associated with the Holy Land Foundation case.
Muslim Brotherhood front groups like the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) literally went in and purged hundreds of pages of FBI training materials of terms like “jihad” and “Islamist”, the rationale being that these terms “offended” Muslims.
What are we to surmise from all these facts? Is the whole world crazy?
No.
Our government has in fact been infiltrated; and the man sitting in the White House, Barack Hussein Obama, is a traitor.

It’s as simple as that.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood-2/#4LQtEYGf4D0YiD1b.99

[musclehead]

When Obama took office America was losing 800,000 jobs a month.  Now we are adding 200,000 a month.  A million jobs a month difference.we added 213,000 people to the roles last month, not a good stat to qoute, BTW how many were part time jobs? answer, nearly all

Within a few months of Obama taking office, unemployment was at 10%.  Unemployment is now 7.2% and falling.went up to 7.3% in october, plus 700,000 left the employment picture, labor participation rate is the lowest we've ever seen.

When Obama took office America was spending 1.4 trillion dollars a year more than we were taking in.  Now we are spending 680 billion more than we are taking in, and it's projected to continue to fall.  Over 700 billion dollars a year less in spending.losing credability here, what happend to wide spread panic if the sequester went through? it WAS obama's idea so giving credit here

When Obama took office the Dow Jones was under 8,000.  The Dow Jones is now 15,783.  The Dow has doubled and set new records.I thought obama wasn't elected to cater to fat cats on wall street?

When Obama took office Chevy was going bankrupt.  After Obama secured financing for GM, Chevy is now turning record profits.all industries are cyclical in nature, they should've restructered in chaper 11 and they would've been just fine. it's disngeunious to say they were going bankrupt as if going out of business  

I could go on and on and on.  I know you hate the man.  Realize you don't hate him for all the spending reduction.  You don't hate him for doubling the value of your 401k.  You don't hate him because he has presided over 44 consecutive months of private sector job growth.  You don't hate him because your home value has risen.  You hate him because of something else......something to do with where his father was born....something to do with the amount of melanin in his skin.  This is the truth.  Maybe you don't want to admit it to yourselves. my 401 hasn't doubled, lackluster job growth of part time jobs, my home value has risen, but I'm still under water, ohh race card, got anything else? I can go on and on, there are more busdinesses still shuttering doors and windows then opening BY FAR!

Let me guess.  Bush had nothing to do with the massive expansion of government right?  And Obama has had nothing to do with the reduction in government jobs too?  Bush had nothing to do with massive borrowing and spending, and Obama had nothing to do with halving the spending right?  Bush had nothing to do with getting us involved in two wars, and Obama had nothing to do with getting us out of them.  Bush had nothing to do with the stock market tanking, and Obama has nothing to do with it doubling?  Do your arguments against Obama and his policies have a shred of anything resembling logic?negative bush was a progressive too, I just didn't see it at the time

What of his policies do you hope to undo?  You want to go back to higher unemployment?  Do you prefer to go back to higher spending?  Maybe you think we should get involved in some more wars?  Oh, I know, you want the value of your stocks to plummet right?  You would prefer the American car manufacturers to go out of business?  You hate the fact that your home's value continues to rise, you want to go back to it falling right?  No, its not any of those, it's Obamacare!  You want to be denied health insurance for preexisting conditions right?  You would prefer it if your insurance company could kick you off your insurance when you get sick?  You want lifetime caps on benefits right?  Yeah we should definitely go back to that.   strawman, strawman
 
But, but, Obama said I could keep my policy, and my insurance company cancelled it because my policy had terms that were now against the law.  They offered me a new policy with better coverage that meets the law's requirements.  That means Obama is a liar!   no he's a liar, because he's a liar. keep defending your messiah, we'll keep pointing out his short comings  

[musclehead]

it's not racial, I was touting Herman Cain before anyone on here even heard of him. 

[..]

Aren't those that continually thorw the race flag and play the race card the actual racists?

[musclehead]

Aren't those that continually thorw the race flag and play the race card the actual racists?

 it's called psychological projection, a term coined by Freud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I see it ALL the time on that "other forum"

"conservatives want to destroy the constituition"

"conservatives want all these illegal immagrants for the cheap labor"

blah, blah it goes on and on

[G-Man]

……...You hate him because of something else......something to do with where his father was born....something to do with the amount of melanin in his skin.  This is the truth.  Maybe you don't want to admit it to yourselves.

YOU'RE RIGHT!  OK,….. YOU'RE RIGHT.  WE ALL HATE HIM BECAUSE WE HATE BLACK PEOPLE.  WE HATE WOMEN, WE HATE HISPANICS.  WE HATE ASIANS.  WE HATE POOR PEOPLE.  WE HATE EVERYONE DIFFERENT FROM OURSELVES AND YOU FIGURED US OUT.

SO WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK?

NO AMOUNT OF WORDS YOU TYPE WILL EVER CHANGE OUR HATEFUL BIGOTED MINDS, EVER. 

SO JUST LEAVE.  WE WON'T MISS YOU, AND SINCE WE ARE EVERYTHING YOU SAY, YOU SHOULDN'T MISS US.

THE ONLY THING WE MAY HAVE IN COMMON IS THE MOTORCYCLE WE RIDE, AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP THE RELATIONSHIP GOING.  (CERTAINLY NOT FOR ME, I'M DONE WITH YOU)

SEE YA, AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.  IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO YOU.  YOU THINK YOU NEED TO "SAVE" US. 

[WayneH]

Since terminology seems to be getting in the way of the debate here, I offer this dictionary to help clarify the situation.
 
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/04/the-complete-idiots-guide-to-speaking-republican/

[Chrisj CMA]

I agree with MarkT 1000%, that Kenyan lad has to go.

The quicker the better.

+1,000