Barak Obama -- Political Mastermind

[f6john]

I know it is very frustrating to be constantly proven wrong by a California liberal using sound logic and established facts.  You can block me to avoid the truth.  You can suggest I go elsewhere so you can peacefully pat yourself on the back in your echo chamber.  The truth will set you free though.

By the way Reagan tripled the national debt.  Yes, tripled!

Bush Jr. left us with a 1.4 Trillion annual deficit, which is now down to 614 Billion (under Obama's Presidency) as projected by the CBO. 
Do what's right for our country!

Hillary 2016!!

   

After Hillary is elected maybe she could offer you a diplomatic post. Maybe,,,,Benghazi! Yea, that's the ticket. I for one would support your nomination.

[Moonshot_1]

By the way Reagan tripled the national debt.  Yes, tripled!



Hillary 2016!!

   

So, Why didn't the Democrat controlled Congress ever send President Reagan a balanced budget to sign? Isn't the budget the responsibility of the House? Seems to asking alot to reduce the debt when the Democrat House sends up nothing but deficit spending.

[BF]

DaddieO......

I, along with well over 99.99% of this board could give a rats ass what Obama's skin color is.  I don't care if he's green, yellow, purple, blue, black or white.  

IT'S THE CONTENT OF THE MAN'S CHARACTER THAT WE CAN'T STAND

[Daddie O]

did obama ever play baseball as a child? did he ever watch the fourth of july fireworks as young man and felt humbled by those that had sacificed everything to give him a home?

you can overlook a few things if everything is going great, I don't know how you can overlook stories and headlines of poor economic outlook, job losses, flat line GDP and real suffering everywhere you turn.

On the contrary, America has a great economic outlook.  GDP is up from -3% to +2.2%, GDP has never flat-lined.  There is not real suffering everywhere you turn.  I see nothing but prosperity.  Businesses with record profits, stock market at all time highs,  my wife working overtime to hire as many people as she can.  New small businesses opening at record paces and absolutely thriving!  If it isn't that way where you live, you might consider moving from a red state to a blue one    Only a democrat knows how to get things done.  The borrow and spend days of trickle down economics has been proven wrong already.

provide us wioth some links to substantiate your claims...... oh they don't exist  

why is ther 47,000,000 on food stamps, why is there 50,000,000  people living below the poverty level? you just got smacked with some real facts... 

Here you go:

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/07/advance-estimate-gdp-third-quarter-2013

and:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

and:

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

I could go on but I don't want you to be completely buried by facts 

[john]

                              " Latest poll shows 52% of Americans no longer trust Obama, but 44% still do. That is scary. When 44% of the people still trust someone who basically admitted he lied to them, and those people vote, how can we hope to survive as a nation? "                     

[musclehead]

did obama ever play baseball as a child? did he ever watch the fourth of july fireworks as young man and felt humbled by those that had sacificed everything to give him a home?

you can overlook a few things if everything is going great, I don't know how you can overlook stories and headlines of poor economic outlook, job losses, flat line GDP and real suffering everywhere you turn.

On the contrary, America has a great economic outlook.  GDP is up from -3% to +2.2%, GDP has never flat-lined.  There is not real suffering everywhere you turn.  I see nothing but prosperity.  Businesses with record profits, stock market at all time highs,  my wife working overtime to hire as many people as she can.  New small businesses opening at record paces and absolutely thriving!  If it isn't that way where you live, you might consider moving from a red state to a blue one    Only a democrat knows how to get things done.  The borrow and spend days of trickle down economics has been proven wrong already.

provide us wioth some links to substantiate your claims...... oh they don't exist  

why is ther 47,000,000 on food stamps, why is there 50,000,000  people living below the poverty level? you just got smacked with some real facts... 

Here you go:

 http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/07/advance-estimate-gdp-third-quarter-2013

and:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp

and:

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

I could go on but I don't want you to be completely buried by facts 

what about the suffering of those on food stamps and below poverty level? not going to answer those questions eh?

a 4.9% quarter. hmmm I distinctly remember a different number. I'll have to get back to you. not that I think your lying, but I think the numbers have been massaged....

[musclehead]

this is why I don't trust your links there dad, they don't jib across the board. I have seen the graph you have linked to and it looks just like the one on maddow's blog. she couldn't possibly have any bias

look at this one
the other reason I disbelieve it IF we had a quarter of +4% GDP growth we would have heard the left's talking heads in nearly orgasmic paroxysms of elation
you'll also notice from the graph it wasn't that bad under bush, but it also wasn't that great....

[Daddie O]

Although I gave you links to U.S. Dept of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis and you linked to a graph from calculated risk blog (lol), the graphs aren't really different.  One shows GDP over decades while the other shows it for 12 years.  Musclehead, look at the graph you posted.  Do you see how GDP had steadily gone down from 2004 until 2007 when it plummeted to negative numbers?  Do you see how sharply it has climbed under the Obama administration? 

Using the links I posted, or using the graph you posted, please let me know at what point GDP has "flatlined" as you asserted.  Please notice how GDP was over 5% under Clinton, then notice how it's trajectory fell to nearly -5% under Bush (a 10% loss in GDP).  Then explain how that illustrates the effects of good fiscal or monetary policy.  Then please notice how GDP has gone from -5% when Obama took office to 2.6% GDP (over 7% positive change), and then explain to me how that illustrates bad fiscal or monetary policy.  I'm really looking forward to you trying to spin your graph (which illustrates my point) into something that illustrates your point of flatlined GDP and poor economy under President Obama.

If you notice the -5% GDP under the Bush administration, it is no wonder that the amount of people under poverty level and on food stamps grew.  What other effect could there have been?  Many jobs got shipped overseas, and factories closed, never to return.  President Obama cannot reopen factories here by decree.  He can recommend changes to tax codes (which he has done) to make it more attractive to businesses to hire workers here in America.  Eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, and give tax breaks for companies that hire Americans.  Why haven't these policies been implemented?  Ask your Republican congressman.  The Republicans oppose these measures, since their donors are the very same companies shipping jobs overseas, creating dummy corporations in other countries, and hiding profits in offshore accounts.  The very thing Mitt Romney specialized in.  The Republican solution to the fact the more people are below poverty line and need food stamps?  They suggest cutting food stamps, not doing things to bring people out of poverty, just punishing those that are. 

Tax breaks for large corporations that are already making record profits does not create jobs, it just lets the companies stack up more money.  They have so much, with no way or reason to spend it.  The way to promote job growth and a booming economy is to have policies that help to grow the middle class.  When most of the population has more money to spend, there is higher demand for products and services.  Only when there is higher demand for products and services will big business spend some of its profits to hire more workers and invest in more infrastructure. 

[Patrick]

Lets see, as stated a little earlier, NAFTA came about under clinton. Bush had to contend with a democratic congress during his last term. We all should know Bush did cut taxes and had a 90% approval rating during his first term.

[Daddie O]

Lets see, as stated a little earlier, NAFTA came about under clinton. Bush had to contend with a democratic congress during his last term. We all should know Bush did cut taxes and had a 90% approval rating during his first term.

With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats.  NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.  C'mon Patrick, tell me again about NAFTA being Democrats fault!

Patrick, tell me about how those tax cuts worked out.    It is one of the reasons we are running an annual deficit.  Don't get me wrong, I dislike taxes as much as the next guy, but if you are gonna cut them they should be cut for the working man, not for big business.  The working man will spend and stimulate the economy, the big business just stacks the cash.

During Bush's first term we were attacked on 9/11.  Everyone was supporting the President (rightfully so), but his approval rating rapidly fell from that point.  Bush's final approval rating was 22%, almost as low as the Republicans in congress now, but not quite that low.

[musclehead]

Although I gave you links to U.S. Dept of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis and you linked to a graph from calculated risk blog (lol), the graphs aren't really different.  One shows GDP over decades while the other shows it for 12 years.  Musclehead, look at the graph you posted.  Do you see how GDP had steadily gone down from 2004 until 2007 when it plummeted to negative numbers?  Do you see how sharply it has climbed under the Obama administration? 

Using the links I posted, or using the graph you posted, please let me know at what point GDP has "flatlined" as you asserted.  Please notice how GDP was over 5% under Clinton, then notice how it's trajectory fell to nearly -5% under Bush (a 10% loss in GDP).  Then explain how that illustrates the effects of good fiscal or monetary policy.  Then please notice how GDP has gone from -5% when Obama took office to 2.6% GDP (over 7% positive change), and then explain to me how that illustrates bad fiscal or monetary policy.  I'm really looking forward to you trying to spin your graph (which illustrates my point) into something that illustrates your point of flatlined GDP and poor economy under President Obama.

If you notice the -5% GDP under the Bush administration, it is no wonder that the amount of people under poverty level and on food stamps grew.  What other effect could there have been?  Many jobs got shipped overseas, and factories closed, never to return.  President Obama cannot reopen factories here by decree.  He can recommend changes to tax codes (which he has done) to make it more attractive to businesses to hire workers here in America.  Eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, and give tax breaks for companies that hire Americans.  Why haven't these policies been implemented?  Ask your Republican congressman.  The Republicans oppose these measures, since their donors are the very same companies shipping jobs overseas, creating dummy corporations in other countries, and hiding profits in offshore accounts.  The very thing Mitt Romney specialized in.  The Republican solution to the fact the more people are below poverty line and need food stamps?  They suggest cutting food stamps, not doing things to bring people out of poverty, just punishing those that are. 

Tax breaks for large corporations that are already making record profits does not create jobs, it just lets the companies stack up more money.  They have so much, with no way or reason to spend it.  The way to promote job growth and a booming economy is to have policies that help to grow the middle class.  When most of the population has more money to spend, there is higher demand for products and services.  Only when there is higher demand for products and services will big business spend some of its profits to hire more workers and invest in more infrastructure. 

simple, the fed is buying 85 billion dollars a month of our debt. providing nearly free money for the stock market to run wild. we have approximately 4 to 4.5 times as much currency in the economy as needed. causing inflation from a weakened dollar, hurting the poor and the middle class. .

why weren't these policies enacted when the dems held the white house and both houses of congress? repubs couldn't stop a thing from jan '09 to jan '11, they still take the blame tho

I'd say the graph I posted shows pretty flat from mid 2010 to now. a few points either way shows it's about flat. my whole point of this graph is that obama never had a 4.9% quarter in 2012. a point you have yet to address. deflection and distraction is a good tactic , don't you think?

[Daddie O]

Again you throw out wild theories with no facts to back them up.  Inflation is at 1.2% musclehead, historically extremely low.  The truth of the matter is most economists believe we need more inflation to stimulate more buying.  I don't think you understand economics.  

It is disingenuous to say Democrats controlled both houses when in reality a good number of the democrats were "blue dog" democrats that voted with Republicans.  They were Democrats In Name Only.  Even though they voted with Republicans they ended up losing their seats to Republicans the next election.  As far as saying the Republicans could do nothing, thats all they are good at, doing nothing.

Musclehead, this is what a flat line looks like: -----------------------------------------

As your graph illustrated, our GDP looks nothing like that.  Our GDP increased 7% since 2009.  It has increased over 1% since 2010.  That is not flat line by any definition.  Look at YOUR graph.  See if you can find the quarter with over 4% growth.  Here is a hint (it's in 2009 close to 2010).  No deflection or distraction.  I know it must be frustrating to realize that your own graphs illustrate my points and debunk yours.

[MAD6Gun]

 You know Daddie-O if you spent HALF of the energy you use trying to prove all of us (Racist,bigoted,gun toting white guys) wrong riding your bike you would have 100K miles on it already.

 You are not going to change any of our minds and we sure as hell aren't going to change yours. SO GIVE IT A FREEKING REST ALREADY...ITS GETTING REAL OLD FAST.........

[musclehead]

Again you throw out wild theories with no facts to back them up.  Inflation is at 1.2% musclehead, historically extremely low.  The truth of the matter is most economists believe we need more inflation to stimulate more buying.  I don't think you understand economics.  

It is disingenuous to say Democrats controlled both houses when in reality a good number of the democrats were "blue dog" democrats that voted with Republicans.  They were Democrats In Name Only.  Even though they voted with Republicans they ended up losing their seats to Republicans the next election.  As far as saying the Republicans could do nothing, thats all they are good at, doing nothing.

Musclehead, this is what a flat line looks like: -----------------------------------------

As your graph illustrated, our GDP looks nothing like that.  Our GDP increased 7% since 2009.  It has increased over 1% since 2010.  That is not flat line by any definition.  Look at YOUR graph.  See if you can find the quarter with over 4% growth.  Here is a hint (it's in 2009 close to 2010).  No deflection or distraction.  I know it must be frustrating to realize that your own graphs illustrate my points and debunk yours.

that's NOT where your chart claims 4% growth hmmm...

oh they weren't dems at all  they were actually repubs. wow! they were bought and paid for to vote for obamacare, we still remember the dirty tactics your side would like to forget. the $100,000,000 "louisiana purchase" to get mary landrau to vote for it.

a flat line _________ they are so literal at this age

you think I'm getting frustrated?  I enjoy a good debate I'll let you know when we are having one

[Daddie O]

You know Daddie-O if you spent HALF of the energy you use trying to prove all of us (Racist,bigoted,gun toting white guys) wrong riding your bike you would have 100K miles on it already.

 You are not going to change any of our minds and we sure as hell aren't going to change yours. SO GIVE IT A FREEKING REST ALREADY...ITS GETTING REAL OLD FAST.........

I ride my Valk pretty much daily, and you?  By the way I am white, and a gun owner.  I'm just not a racist.  I did not create this thread, nor did I say Obama needs to "go back to Kenya".  You want me stop calling people out on racism?  Tough noogies.  I calls it as I sees it.  You never add anything constructive to any thread I've read but you don't hear me whining about you or getting all mad and shouting.  How's about you go out for a ride, and may I suggest switching to decaf? 

[musclehead]

You know Daddie-O if you spent HALF of the energy you use trying to prove all of us (Racist,bigoted,gun toting white guys) wrong riding your bike you would have 100K miles on it already.

 You are not going to change any of our minds and we sure as hell aren't going to change yours. SO GIVE IT A FREEKING REST ALREADY...ITS GETTING REAL OLD FAST.........

I ride my Valk pretty much daily, and you?  By the way I am white, and a gun owner.  I'm just not a racist.  I did not create this thread, nor did I say Obama needs to "go back to Kenya".  You want me stop calling people out on racism?  Tough noogies.  I calls it as I sees it.  You never add anything constructive to any thread I've read but you don't hear me whining about you or getting all mad and shouting.  How's about you go out for a ride, and may I suggest switching to decaf? 

I think you should cut down on the smarm, with a major reduction in condenscension

[musclehead]

I'd like to hit upon a previous bone of contention. your words;

"There is not real suffering everywhere you turn.  I see nothing but prosperity."

and I said there are 47,000,000 on food stamps and on top of that there are 50,000,000 living under the poverty level. so you see no real suffering, do you have your rose colored glasses super glued in place? or is there no 'real' suffering unless a repub is in the whitehouse

nearly one in 6 living below the poverty level...... I await enlightenment

*CORRECTION* 47,000,000 living at or below the poverty level source; the US census

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[Skinhead]

There is no real suffering among those living below the poverty level in this country, All the government entitlements relieve much of what there could be.  Is it how I would like to live my life?  No, that is why I work.

If you want to see real suffering, go to a 3rd world country and walk the shanty towns. 

[musclehead]

There is no real suffering among those living below the poverty level in this country, All the government entitlements relieve much of what there could be.  Is it how I would like to live my life?  No, that is why I work.

If you want to see real suffering, go to a 3rd world country and walk the shanty towns. 

we have more living below the poverty level in this country now then when Reagan was in office, but all we heard about was the 'plight' of those less fortunate. it's a both sides of their mouth situation I'm waiting to hear how great it is that obama cares so much for the little people

[MAD6Gun]

You know Daddie-O if you spent HALF of the energy you use trying to prove all of us (Racist,bigoted,gun toting white guys) wrong riding your bike you would have 100K miles on it already.

 You are not going to change any of our minds and we sure as hell aren't going to change yours. SO GIVE IT A FREEKING REST ALREADY...ITS GETTING REAL OLD FAST.........

I ride my Valk pretty much daily, and you?  By the way I am white, and a gun owner.  I'm just not a racist.  I did not create this thread, nor did I say Obama needs to "go back to Kenya".  You want me stop calling people out on racism?  Tough noogies.  I calls it as I sees it.  You never add anything constructive to any thread I've read but you don't hear me whining about you or getting all mad and shouting.  How's about you go out for a ride, and may I suggest switching to decaf? 

 Well goodie for you. You want a bozzo button. No your not a racist but neither am I. I didn't say Obama should go back to Kenya. Don't give a crap where he is from. I my opinion as well as many others here Obama is out to destroy this country. You don't see that because you are blinded by the coolaid. As far as me contributing constructive comments to threads here. Have you read everything I have ever written on the board? If not than STFU. You DONT know me. I could say the same thing about you. You don't contribute anything constructive either. Ask anyone that has had to read your liberbabble. You just ridicule and demean most everyone here.....

 I would go for a ride but I live in Indiana. Its cold here. And I don't drink coffee....

[Detn8er]

The time has come........   

[Scott in Ok]

My rather explosive friend is correct.  Its time to move on.

A few folks on both sides here just can't keep from jabbing each other.  If you can't have a discussion without telling each other to "STFU" or "RACIST!" (or whatever) then you should probably not post. 

-Scott