Lazy
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« on: November 11, 2013, 02:22:32 PM » |
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Are you supposed to turn off the pingel EVERY TIME the engine is turned off? ???
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 02:47:46 PM » |
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Stick with your OEM petcock!
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R J
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 03:49:34 PM » |
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Are you supposed to turn off the pingel EVERY TIME the engine is turned off? ???
If it is a MANUAL flow, YES. |
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Lazy
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 08:06:24 PM » |
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Stick with your OEM petcock!
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I am thinking just put in a new oem for preventative maint. |
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Since the Lord is directing our steps, why try to understand everything that happens along the way.
(paraphrase from Proverbs 20:24)
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Freep
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 08:08:14 PM » |
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Stick with your OEM petcock!
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Why? Lotta positive comments about Pingels. |
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Keep thine eye upon thine tach and thine ears upon thine engine lest thy whirlybits seek communion with the sun. John 4:50
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 10:05:48 PM » |
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It's just good practice to shut off your non-EFI fuel valve when you park the bike for extended periods. Period! My 98 Tourer can travel a couple of miles with the petcock in OFF position. It's only a bother when it runs out at a stop sign or light and traffic is backed up behind me.  |
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Bigun
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2013, 01:32:10 AM » |
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Are you supposed to turn off the pingel EVERY TIME the engine is turned off? ???
Yes I screwed up one time and now have to pull the motor for the second time in 2 years. Belly tank here I come.  |
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2013, 07:56:14 AM » |
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I am thinking just put in a new oem for preventative maint. The gas petcock is not a maintenance item. The vacuum line that goes to the gas petcock is a maintenance item. *** |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2013, 07:58:09 AM » |
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To answer your question, yes, turn it off every time. I am more consistent with turning mine off than turning it on when I start it.  Since you already have a Pingel, I don't think it's worth the trouble or expense to replace it with an OEM valve just to get the vacuum shutoff function. Now, I haven't priced it out, but if you want a worry-free setup, just add a Dan-Marc electric shutoff valve to your fuel line, as many here have. I don't recall hearing of them (Dan-Mark valve) failing, but there is an excellent chance of the OEM vacuum shutoff failing eventually. Just search "Dan-Marc" on this board and you'll get lots of information. I would still stay in the habit of turning off the fuel valve if for no other reason than my hand is trained to automatically find it if I need reserve while moving. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 08:29:36 AM » |
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Why not just get a vacuum operated pingel ?
You then have a quality petcock with the vacuum feature. You can still turn it off every time and have the protection if you forgot to turn it off.
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Patrick
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 09:12:42 AM » |
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Why not just get a vacuum operated pingel ?
You then have a quality petcock with the vacuum feature. You can still turn it off every time and have the protection if you forgot to turn it off.
I think most of us that switched to the Pingle valve did so before the vacuum model came out. And, like most things in life, its easy to get accustomed to things. When the right hand goes to the key, the left hand goes to the valve. Most of us that grew up with bikes decades ago have become used to this. Its just like getting used to just 'tapping' the start button rather than 'press' it. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 09:52:22 AM » |
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Hi Everybody, and thank you to all of the folks who share their knowledge. It certainly helps newbies like me!
My question is this: As I understand it, the diaphragm is what fails. Is that right?
If so, couldn't you just shut the valve off each time you shut the bike off? Would that solve the leak by issue?
Thanks, John
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 10:42:21 AM » |
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Hi Everybody, and thank you to all of the folks who share their knowledge. It certainly helps newbies like me!
My question is this: As I understand it, the diaphragm is what fails. Is that right?
If so, couldn't you just shut the valve off each time you shut the bike off? Would that solve the leak by issue?
Thanks, John
There are two diaphragms, a vacuum diaphragm and the fuel shutoff diaphragm that is connected to it. If the vacuum diaphragm fails, the fuel will shut off or have restricted flow because the fuel diaphragm won't completely open. If the fuel diaphragm fails, fuel will leak out the vent hole in the bottom of the valve. This will help your understanding: ** EDIT ** Sorry, I linked to the wrong thread before; here's what I intended to link to: http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,37577.0.html |
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Ricky-D
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 12:24:51 PM » |
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My feeling is that the system shut off is the real problematic area.
Of course you cannot test the shut off reliability any other way than
to detach the hose from the petcock and observe the result. The reason
I say this is that simply turning the petcock to "off" and continue riding to
see the results is not a sure sign that the petcock is truly "off". You have
to realize that only a few drops a minute is ample leakage to allow for
a hydrolock situation to occur, while at the same time would not allow the
engine to continue to run. So that could be a false affirmative thinking
you are protected while in reality, you are not.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 01:44:20 PM » |
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Hi Everybody, and thank you to all of the folks who share their knowledge. It certainly helps newbies like me!
My question is this: As I understand it, the diaphragm is what fails. Is that right?
If so, couldn't you just shut the valve off each time you shut the bike off? Would that solve the leak by issue?
Thanks, John
The last time I rode with the OEM petcock I could only ride 5 miles at highway speed and then stop to let the carb bowls fill up. Then I took that POS off and went with a Pingel and never had a worry since |
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Pepmyster
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 03:44:55 AM » |
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I did not realize how this valve worked . I had to remove my tank to change the air filter, but, the tank was full. So, I removed it anyway and said to myself that I would drain it from the valve. When I tried, not a drop would come out at all, so I removed the fuel with a siphon pump. So, after reading this article I am seeing that my valve is doing what it has to do. Good thing.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 05:07:08 AM » |
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Didn't someone, at some point, point out that even with a petcock that worked correctly and shut down gas flow, there was enough gas in the lines to still create a hydro lock? Was this ever discussed to a final consensus? Not that we get many of those here. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 07:47:21 AM » |
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OEM petcocks are on Amazon for $55 free shipping......
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2015, 08:41:22 AM » |
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Didn't someone, at some point, point out that even with a petcock that worked correctly and shut down gas flow, there was enough gas in the lines to still create a hydro lock? Was this ever discussed to a final consensus? Not that we get many of those here. Yep, you're correct in both cases. There have been those that feel that way, but the consensus is that as long as no relief comes within the system that fuel in the lines will not flow. Another theory revolved around the idea that it would take some unknown amount of gas to get the level, to the point, where it would start to migrate to the intake runner and thus to the cylinder. *** |
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 09:44:15 PM » |
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Ive left my pingel on for 2 weeks at the most. All has been well. I rarely shut mine off if Im running into a store.
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