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I'm trying to mount a Yokohama Advan 048 tire. I can't get the first side to slip over the rim. The No-Mar videos always showing it slipping on like butter, but I've been at it for 4 hours and it won't go.  I'm convinced that the relief channel in the Valk wheel is too shallow for this tire. (I found a picture on the Internet of this tire mounted on a Valk, but I'm now sure it was Photoshopped.) Taking it to a dealer is not an option, no one will mount tire they didn't sell no less a "car tire." I'm also concerned that the warning on the side of the tire tells me to not exceed 140 psi!!! to set the bead. (Translation: I hope your compressor can reach 200 psi to set the bead. That wouldn't surprise me because I had to buy a 8-foot piece of water pipe to gain enough leverage to break the bead on the Advan I took off the bike.) But back to original question would a $70 Goodyear TT from Walmart be easier to mount? I don't want to mount a bike tire because the Valk is such a royal pain in the ass to maintain that I'd be tempted to immediately sell it. (I've got 2 other bikes and they've been on the road since April.)  </rant> |
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R J
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 07:58:24 AM » |
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What size is marked on the side of the tire?
Is the last 2 numbers 16?
If we got yes answers so far, spray the bead with liquid soap to make it easier to slide on. Don't ever try to mount a dry tire, you will pull your guts out to get no where,
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 08:37:09 AM » |
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Hee Hee! Yes I checked that it was a 16 inch tire a few times! I was worried I'd accidently bought a 15-inch.  |
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 09:41:44 AM » |
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I also went with the medium hard. The soft Yokohama 032R I'm replacing was at wear bars at 3,500 miles! Doesn't look like I'll get to try it this summer, though. We're already 2 weeks into NH's 3 week summer and I can't spend the next 4 weekends driving around New England looking for someone willing to mount this tire.  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 01:27:15 PM » |
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I have seen that tire on a Valkyrie
belonging to Kenn in Md who hasnt posted here in about 2 years now
There was a few people on the pissedoff dark side tire site that ran it also
It sure does look like a MC tire dont it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2009, 02:08:31 PM » |
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My dealer had no problem doing it, they just wrote a note on the bill that they didnt recommend it and it wasnt safe. Offer to sign a waiver like that and maybe they will go for it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 08:01:28 PM » |
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Dude,
Slow and easy will get the job done. Make sure the back side (inside the wheel) portion of the tire is in the deepest section. As RJ said, use a little soap and water. If you are using screw drivers and tire irons, just bite off a little at a time. It will get there. Take and break and try again tomorrow.
Good luck
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 09:04:42 AM » |
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Valk is a pita to maintain?
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 04:20:43 AM » |
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I also went with the medium hard. The soft Yokohama 032R I'm replacing was at wear bars at 3,500 miles! Doesn't look like I'll get to try it this summer, though. We're already 2 weeks into NH's 3 week summer and I can't spend the next 4 weekends driving around New England looking for someone willing to mount this tire. Where are you in NH. There is a guy with the tire mounting equipment in Manchester I asked him if he had ever mounted a car tire on a MC and he hasn't yet but woudn't refuse. He charged me me $27 to take the front wheel off the IS, dismount and mount, insert dyna beads and put back on bike. He has been working on MC's for about 30 years. As a side note I did print out the fornt wheel R&R instructions as wheel as the torque values and brought that in with me. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 07:35:04 AM » |
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the Valk is such a royal pain in the ass to maintain No offense, but it makes me wonder if you've worked on any other bikes. Personnaly, the Valk is a breeze to work on. I've worked on several and it ranks as one of the easier. Good luck and I agree, slow down, lube the tire, and it will go. I've installed a few car tires myself, and while they are a little more difficult, they will go. My only real gripe with the Valk is the "low maintenance" driveshaft. If having to tear apart and re-lube every 12-15k is low maintenance, then we will have to disagree on the meaning of that terminology. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 07:43:27 AM » |
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Vanagon40's got it right on with what he's saying. I would add however that screw drivers are not a good tool of choice, tire irons are much better to use. They are tougher and more wide to help avoid messing up the wheel.
I have bought a pair of "rim savers" that I have yet to use, but plan to use on the next tire change. They are heavy nylon covers that should protect the wheel from damage from the tire irons. Got them on E-Bay (seller-endofthelinecs) $5.45 shipped.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 07:49:26 AM » |
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the Valk is such a royal pain in the ass to maintain No offense, but it makes me wonder if you've worked on any other bikes. Personnaly, the Valk is a breeze to work on. I've worked on several and it ranks as one of the easier. Good luck and I agree, slow down, lube the tire, and it will go. I've installed a few car tires myself, and while they are a little more difficult, they will go. My only real gripe with the Valk is the "low maintenance" driveshaft. If having to tear apart and re-lube every 12-15k is low maintenance, then we will have to disagree on the meaning of that terminology. I didn't see "royal" anywhere in that post, and "pita" always has been pocket style bread to me. Just tryin' to breathe a bit of humor in here!!!  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2009, 10:51:30 AM » |
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Soap it up good!
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 04:34:24 PM » |
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I have one on my bike too. It took some effort, but with a tire machine, it went on.   |
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 06:41:46 PM » |
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Where are you in NH. There is a guy with the tire mounting equipment in Manchester I asked him if he had ever mounted a car tire on a MC and he hasn't yet but woudn't refuse. He charged me me $27 to take the front wheel off the IS, dismount and mount, insert dyna beads and put back on bike. He has been working on MC's for about 30 years. As a side note I did print out the fornt wheel R&R instructions as wheel as the torque values and brought that in with me.
Hi Cliff, I'm in Derry, next town over from Manchester. I'll have to look your friend up for the next tire change. Since we were already running out of summer here in NH, I had Tire Rack deliver a 205-60-16 auto touring tire today which I popped on in less than an hour. I'm simply not strong enough to wrestle on the ADVAN racing tire using an unpowered tire changer. A benefit of doing this yourself: I checked the empty wheel on the balancer, noted the heavy spot, lined up the paint spots on the tire, Result: perfect balance, no weights needed.  Actually, I've been working on my own bikes since my 1963 Cub 50 forty years ago. I only called the Valk a pain because it seems like everything you do is multiplied by 6, and the parts are so cursed big and heavy. (Although its not so bad when I'm not ranting.) So I should be running by the weekend. The rear end will come back apart in October. My splines are getting really bad and I'll have to rebuild the pumpkin this winter. On the plus side my rear wheel bearings are like brand new. Thanks all, for tolerating a frustrated rant. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2009, 03:55:32 PM » |
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the Valk is such a royal pain in the ass to maintain No offense, but it makes me wonder if you've worked on any other bikes. Personnaly, the Valk is a breeze to work on. I've worked on several and it ranks as one of the easier. Good luck and I agree, slow down, lube the tire, and it will go. I've installed a few car tires myself, and while they are a little more difficult, they will go. My only real gripe with the Valk is the "low maintenance" driveshaft. If having to tear apart and re-lube every 12-15k is low maintenance, then we will have to disagree on the meaning of that terminology. Or you could clean and lube a chain-driven bike 24 to 30 times in the same time frame-plus it would be getting close to new sprockets and chain time. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2009, 05:33:36 PM » |
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Or you could clean and lube a chain-driven bike 24 to 30 times in the same time frame-plus it would be getting close to new sprockets and chain time.
Actually I'm having bettter luck with the chain on my dirt bike than the shaft drive on the Valk. But the Valk has a design flaw IMO. My V-Max has 50% more power, the rear end components are half the size, and I've never even checked to see if it's greased. It really is no maintenance on a bike that's been in production for 25 years. The best rear drive is Harley's belt. Good for 80,000 miles or more and never needs adjustment. |
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