HYDROLOCK

[V-SIX DS#121]

Had a hydrolock and lost 2 teeth off gear.  Where is a good place to buy new gear?  Tks

[Flrider]

Sorry to hear of your Hydrolock.

I ordered mine from Ron Ayers.

Check prices on a couple of OEM suppliers just in case

Good luck with your repairs, do a lot of reading and go for it.

[Punisher]

Check http://www.partzilla.com.   Click OEM Parts on the menu.

Has the full Honda Parts Fiche online.

Cheaper prices than what I've seen on HDL.   HDL is circling the drain with their latest web-site, it's hosed!

[gordonv]

Have you taken it apart yet?

Is there only the gear or is the housing also broken?

[Bighead]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

[The emperor has no clothes]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

[V-SIX DS#121]

Have you taken it apart yet?

Is there only the gear or is the housing also broken?

  Case ok, just one gear with teeth missing.

[Patrick]

Did you find the old pieces ?

Once its back together, just tap the start button.

[Joe Hummer]

Check http://www.partzilla.com.   Click OEM Parts on the menu.

Has the full Honda Parts Fiche online.

Cheaper prices than what I've seen on HDL.   HDL is circling the drain with their latest web-site, it's hosed!

Not to hi-jack the thread...but I would currently not recommend ordering from partzilla.  I placed a large order with them on 4/22/14...and I have still not received my order.  The order status hasn't been updated since 4/24 when it said everything would arrive 4/26 to their facility and have called them each week since then seeing where my order is.  Every time...I have been told that they show everything is in and that my order will be shipping in a day or two.  I am going to give them one more week (a month since ordering the stuff) and call them back one final time...to talk to someone in charge and cancel my order.  The funny thing is...two days after I placed my large order, I broke my throttle cables and ordered the replacements from partzilla.  That order was filled and set within a couple of days. 

This is just my experiences with Partzilla...other's experiences will differ. 

[nogrey]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

I heard that Alabama has the unique distinction of having invented the toothbrush!
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[V-SIX DS#121]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

I heard that Alabama has the unique distinction of having invented the toothbrush!
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.......if it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called a "teeth brush". 

[V-SIX DS#121]

Check http://www.partzilla.com.   Click OEM Parts on the menu.

Has the full Honda Parts Fiche online.

Cheaper prices than what I've seen on HDL.   HDL is circling the drain with their latest web-site, it's hosed!

Thanks

Not to hi-jack the thread...but I would currently not recommend ordering from partzilla.  I placed a large order with them on 4/22/14...and I have still not received my order.  The order status hasn't been updated since 4/24 when it said everything would arrive 4/26 to their facility and have called them each week since then seeing where my order is.  Every time...I have been told that they show everything is in and that my order will be shipping in a day or two.  I am going to give them one more week (a month since ordering the stuff) and call them back one final time...to talk to someone in charge and cancel my order.  The funny thing is...two days after I placed my large order, I broke my throttle cables and ordered the replacements from partzilla.  That order was filled and set within a couple of days. 

This is just my experiences with Partzilla...other's experiences will differ. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

I heard that Alabama has the unique distinction of having invented the toothbrush!
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.......if it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called a "teeth brush". 

Oh lighten up! It was a joke. I thought it was funny.

[rekit]

Sorry for your hydrolock, can you tell us a little about the circumstances? Such as do you run the dan-marc solenoid fuel valve, stock petcock, has it been rebuilt, how long the bike sat and was the petcock off or on? Which cylinder if you know. Thanks.
  As for Partzilla, I noticed it was a week or so before my order was ever shipped even tho it said everything was in stock. I thought that sucked......

[wiggydotcom]

I have not ordered yet from this site and have no affiliation but they advertise 20% off of OEM parts.

Might be worth it to give them a try.

http://www.motosport.com/home

[weeder]

whats hydrolock  ?  just a simple answer  ok?

[rich_kildow]

A failure in the fuel system allows fuel to run into the cylinders and when you go to start it that now full cylinder causes the engine to lock up.  Rather than taking air/vaporized fuel and compressing it greatly, the cylinder hits a pretty much incompressible fluid and comes to a screeching halt, often breaking all sorts of pieces in the process. 

I believe it is caused by a failed vacuum petcock and any little problem with the float then allowing fuel to flow past the carb and into the cylinders.

[The emperor has no clothes]

whats hydrolock  ?  just a simple answer  ok?

Simple enough?

[weeder]

got it ! thanks

[ciddriver]

First post. I bought a 99 interstate and do to the info about hydrolock the first thing I did was desmog, pringle and dan marc. I would thank all for the info.

[G-Man]

Sorry for your headache, brother.

I had a hydrolock several years ago.  I changed out the tank without doing much research and I pulled the petcock out of the old tank, not realizing that there is a filter that stayed up in the tank.  I installed the petcock without the filter into the new, freshly painted tank.  There must have been debris in the tank that worked it's way down to the carbs and when I hit the gas, CLUNK!  I had no idea what it was at the time.  So I hit the start button again, CLUNK!  Still not knowing, I hit the button again and she fired up and I went to work.  At the end of the day CLUNK!  And again, CLUNK!  I went baack in a searched the board and found out what it was.  Pulled the plugs one by one and when I saw the stream of fuel spurt out of the plug hole, I knew what I had.  Replaced the petcock with filter after draining and cleaning out the inside of the tank and when all was done she fired up and I've been riding her for 4 years now.

So, my question is, if I the hydrolock caused any damage at that time, what would the signs or symptoms be?  I've always wondered if I just got lucky or if I'm riding a time bomb.

[weeder]

G man  if it runs like usual  fugetaboutit.   

Question  for ya G ,  how long did the  bike set after completed and the start up attempt when hydrolock was experienced?

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[signart]

whats hydrolock  ?  just a simple answer  ok?

You already understand by now what hydrolock is, but the real damage is caused by the powerful starter that has so much torque it strips teeth off gears or can break whatever it's bolted to. Hydrolock doesn't just happen to Valks, it happens to cars and small engines etc. Not always fuel involved but also water. In most other cases you just get a failure to crank and then you just clear the cylinders.  Evidently not always so lucky with our Valks.

[art]

Hydrolock can be caused also if the bike is down on its side for a short length of time.I fell off my valk in Jan. due to ice on the road and got hurt. The bike was on its side for probably two hours. When I finally got it home I clicked the starter and it would not turn over. I found out later that it was hydrolocked. A friend removed the plugs and all the cylinders on the side that was down were full of gas. I was being cautious with trying to start the engine knowing that the gas could drain into the cylinders and I was also lucky,no damage. Just something to remember if anybody drops there valk.

[weeder]

Hydrolock can be caused also if the bike is down on its side for a short length of time.I fell off my valk in Jan. due to ice on the road and got hurt. The bike was on its side for probably two hours. When I finally got it home I clicked the starter and it would not turn over. I found out later that it was hydrolocked. A friend removed the plugs and all the cylinders on the side that was down were full of gas. I was being cautious with trying to start the engine knowing that the gas could drain into the cylinders and I was also lucky,no damage. Just something to remember if anybody drops there valk.

How much gas worked its way into  the crankcase?

[signart]

Can't speak for his case, but it don't take much. I'd say one Valkyrie carb bowl full would do it. I've locked up a 2 cyl. Onan by leaving it outside and the rain ran in the muffler. The starter wasn't stout enough to do any damage, but it was locked up solid. There was very little in it, but it added a lot of compression. Just had to pump it out the spark plug holes and change the oil.

[Patrick]

Can't speak for his case, but it don't take much. I'd say one Valkyrie carb bowl full would do it. I've locked up a 2 cyl. Onan by leaving it outside and the rain ran in the muffler. The starter wasn't stout enough to do any damage, but it was locked up solid. There was very little in it, but it added a lot of compression. Just had to pump it out the spark plug holes and change the oil.

Yep. It doesn't take much at all to lock most engines, and, any liquid will do.

Just tap the start button and if that dreaded 'CLANK' is ever heard, STOP. Get out the sparkler removal socket and take out all of them. Clear the cylinders and put her back together and ride. Take note of the locked cylinder and when able open that drain and flush fuel through that carburetor and see what happens.

As long as the start button is lightly tapped damage shouldn't occur as long as it doesn't get pressed again once a lock is suspected.

[Ricky-D]

Well, it's not the "float bowl full" that can migrate to the cylinder.

That "float bowl full" will stay right there in the float bowl.

And with capillary action in the mix, I firmly believe that the fuel

remaining in the fuel line, will stay put right there in the fuel line.

Now, I know there are some that will, and do disagree, with this.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

There is not even a consensus about how much fuel it takes

to lock up a Valkyrie engine.

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[signart]

I'm using a float bowl full as a unit of measurement. In a certain case it could be enough to cause "hydrolock", which is a term that should be used concerning water if you want to get technical. It doesn't matter where it comes from or whether it is fuel, oil, water, coolant, or mayonnaise. Liquids can not be compressed. You may leak a tankful of fuel into the cylinders and not experience hydrolock. I have seen a sbc engine explode with an oil pan full of fuel because of this.
Any engine can fail to turn over if there is too much compression for the starter mechanism. Bottom line, if it doesn't turn over and the starting mechanism continues to operate, something is going to break.

[Patrick]

Wanna hear a story about ' un-locking' a 'locked' motor ?
Long long ago we received a service call because of no-start condition on an 8 cylinder 2 cycle Detroit.
Somehow a fella that I had fired about a year or so earlier had intercepted that call[ not sure how he did that, but, he had started his own road service] . This fellas father worked for us for years and was an excellent mechanic, not so his son.
Anyway as I show up he has the mouth open and is talking with the driver. As I approach I tell the driver I'm the one he called. I notice a very large bottle of ether mounted to the firewall, common back then. I asked the driver to just click the starter to see how this monster sounded, that made the other guy mad. From the sound, this engine was definitely ether bound and the driver said the clown could work on it since he was the first to arrive. This clown then came back from his truck dragging hoses with a rosebud[ large torch tip]. He leaned over the tire, fired up the torch and proceeded to wave it along the block and base. I just gently had the driver back off to the side with me. It didn't take long, the engine became 'unlocked' in a loud explosion while the side of the block came apart tearing the tire right off the wheel and breaking this jerks arm in 3 places. I then took this jerk to the hospital, went back and got the tow truck, snatched the truck and took the driver to the motel across the road from us. 

[G-Man]

G man  if it runs like usual  fugetaboutit.   

Question  for ya G ,  how long did the  bike set after completed and the start up attempt when hydrolock was experienced?

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Not really sure.  I know I rode her to the gas station right after I installed the new tank.  May have been a day or two later that I road her to work.  Then next morning, CLUNK!

[nogrey]

I would speculate yes he has taken it apart. He stated 2 teeth missing that is kinda normal for my part of the country but hey

I heard that Alabama has the unique distinction of having invented the toothbrush!
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.DUMB REPLY!!
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.......if it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called a "teeth brush".  

Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSE ME!  
BTW, I live in Idaho and tell this joke about Idahoans all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself, well...

[weeder]

Then its a good idea to check your oil every time then ,  hey?