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« on: June 04, 2014, 07:23:06 PM » |
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I am looking to purchase a 1997 Standard with 50K on it. Seems like a great deal at $3000. The owner says that he just replaced the stator (I think he means alternator) and the battery in the fall, but the only real issue that remains is that his tach isn't working, and hasn't been for some time. Is there anything common to these bikes that would cause such a problem? Any easy fix? I like my machines operating 100%.
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2014, 07:50:44 PM » |
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Someone here just a week ago had his tach not working and it was the starter switch. Also if the Alternator is going bad that can cause no Tach.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2014, 07:58:31 PM » |
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Also, check the 55A fusable link
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Eburr
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 05:19:56 AM » |
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Thanks for the initial tips. Once again;
a.) the owner says that he just replaced alternator and battery in the fall and still no go on the tach. b.) I will then focus on cleaning the starter switch, though it isn't otherwise symptomatic c.) and checking the 55A fuse at the solenoid, though it seems that if it were blown it would prevent the bike from starting....right?
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pancho
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2014, 06:29:50 AM » |
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The 55 amp fuse/fusible link, is not on the starter relay, it is in front of it under the long plastic cap,, there is a spare on the side of the plastic cap/protector. The bike can start if it is open, but the alternator cannot charge the battery if it is.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2014, 08:36:40 AM » |
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OK, the prior owner had an indy shop replace the alternator in the fall, so I can't believe that they wouldn't have at least checked output/charging when they were done. They should have checked that fuse first too. Regardless, I will:
1.) check charging output first. Should read 13.6 to 14.3 volts at idle I believe. 2.) If not charging, I'll check that fuse! 3.) Also, another post referenced that a semi-defective run/kill switch could also cause the problem. I am pretty good at disassembling these small switches and making them operational again, so I will check that next if charging and the fuse aren't the culprit
Thanks guys!
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 08:43:22 AM » |
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I am not endorsing the statement that the 55 amp link may be causing your problems,,, just pointing out where it is and what it does. I don't know if it will or will not effect tach operation if it is open.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 09:43:09 AM » |
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Roger that. The prior owner said that he rode it for 20 miles a few weeks ago (says his Goldwings get the majority of use). I would assume that a 20 mile ride should be enough to determine if it was charging.  But I will still check it!
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 10:13:04 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2014, 11:43:10 AM » |
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Seems like a lot of experience on what to check, my .01 cents worth is this. The tach gets an impulse signal from the ICM, you can check all the fuses, buy a new tach, but new or old tach will not work unless it is getting the signal from the ICM. If you know someone with a Valkyrie, ask them to switch ICM's with you for a minute to check your tach, any Valkyrie will do for this test. When you locate the problem, you can buy a new ICM from HDL or buy a used one that someone will sell you for the price of new one. Just in case you don't know where the ICM is located, it's behind the coolant reservoir under the left side cover.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2014, 06:57:40 PM » |
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Excuse me, I'm speaking out of church right now.
One of my bikes, I don't remember if it was a Valkyrie or a Yamaha.
The tailight was out and the Tach didn't work. Put a new bulb in and presto, Tach starting working.
Either way, it is a quick check.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2014, 08:02:59 PM » |
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Wow, I just read the same thing on the tech archives. I will check the tail light bulb first!
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 03:23:53 AM » |
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That becomes a great safety alert. Your tach stops working your rear lighting may be off !
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 03:47:00 AM » |
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Anyone else experience this? Is it the tail lamp or the brake light filament that correlates to the tach circuit?
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2014, 05:10:33 AM » |
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Anyone else experience this? Is it the tail lamp or the brake light filament that correlates to the tach circuit?
Tail light.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2014, 07:43:54 AM » |
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Crossing my fingers, but this is pretty hard because the bike isn't in my shop yet to check things out personally, but the owner says that the tach also is not illuminating and that he doubts the tail lamp is burned out, as the bike has passed state inspection (required annually in PA) since the tach stopped working, indicating the tail light was working at that time.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2014, 04:58:02 PM » |
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OK, I spent a few hours with my new fat lady this weekend, but still no tach  . -Checked all fuses and fuseable links....all good. -Checked the tail/brake light bulb...good. -Checked the tach wiring couplers inside the headlight bucket....good, no obvious issues. -Took the tach off and checked all wires to the unit....I had a burned out bulb that illuminates the tac which is now fixed.... but I am still getting no power to the three wire plug that connects to the tachl . I heard someone mention that it could be the kill switch starter button but man does that seem weird to me. Any more ideas? I hate things that don't work! BTW, it looks and runs like a dream. Excellent condition overall. Eric
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2014, 05:40:58 PM » |
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OK, I spent a few hours with my new fat lady this weekend, but still no tach  . -Checked all fuses and fuseable links....all good. -Checked the tail/brake light bulb...good. -Checked the tach wiring couplers inside the headlight bucket....good, no obvious issues. -Took the tach off and checked all wires to the unit....I had a burned out bulb that illuminates the tac which is now fixed.... but I am still getting no power to the three wire plug that connects to the tachl . I heard someone mention that it could be the kill switch starter button but man does that seem weird to me. Any more ideas? I hate things that don't work! BTW, it looks and runs like a dream. Excellent condition overall. Eric Which side of the little peg is the needle on? If it's on the right side, and not the left, I may have an explanation. I recently had problems with my tach. Wouldn't immediately work, required some RPM before the needle would move, then began waving wildly and finally spun itself around and lodged against the peg on the opposite (right) side of where it would normally rest. At this point it stopped working. The problem was a battery going bad and the tach was not receiving a good enough signal. Based on a tip from Daniel Meyer, I took a magnet and worked the needle back around to its correct position. Replaced the battery and all has been well since.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2014, 11:29:13 PM » |
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Thanks for the response. Needle is resting in the normal left position as if it is getting no signal. No power coming to the three wire plug going into the tach itself when tested with a volt meter.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2014, 09:12:58 PM » |
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In the headlight bucket is a yellow wire if memory is correct that goes to the tach and there is a plug that could be the problem either uplugged or dirty.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 04:54:45 AM » |
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I will double check that.  Had the bucket off once already and checked the connectors, but that is very easy to do again.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2014, 04:24:19 PM » |
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Look for a single bullet connector with a YellowGreen wire. It goes to the ICM.
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2014, 04:45:38 PM » |
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Just curious, does the side stand indicator light up when the side stand is down? Does the oil light illuminate when the key is on and the engine is not running?
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2014, 06:14:18 PM » |
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I will check the side stand and oil light tomorrow when I go back to my shop. I think they are working though.
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Eburr
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2014, 06:35:37 AM » |
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all other lights were working. New owner's problem now, sold. Thanks for buying Henry.
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