DarkSideR
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« on: July 11, 2014, 04:50:41 PM » |
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After reading and reading all the good things about it I finally bit. I put the product Ride On in my tires today. I'm taking a 233 mile ride tomorrow and will be able to give an adequate report.
My only question for you Ride On veterans is.. do I remove the existing balancing weights from the rims, or should I simply leave them?
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salty1
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 04:55:42 PM » |
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If you put in the recommended quantity, they say you should remove the wheel weights. It makes sense since product continually balances the tire over time, a dynamic balance.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 05:02:24 PM » |
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I had DynaBeads in my tires the first set I had installed, and was very happy with the balance. No need to re-balance as the tires wear etc. I went with Ride-on this time for the same reason (and one more thing to not worry about on long trips, right?). The Quad shop that installs my tires sells Ride-on not so much for punctures, but specifically to balance tires.
Take the weights off.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 08:47:27 PM » |
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As is not unusual, I am the voice of dissension. If a new tire was installed and no effort was made to balance the tire, I would have no objection to removing the old weights because no one knows whether the weights make the tire more balanced or less balanced.
On the other hand, if the weights were put in place to balance the currently mounted tire, I do not understand why one would intentionally unbalance the tire to make the Ride-On or balance beads work better. I would think that the Ride-On or balance beads would work better on an almost balanced tire than a severely out of balance tire. If I am incorrect, it would seem that the better approach would be to move the weights to a position that makes the tire even more out of balance.
I candidly admit that I do not completely understand the physics of Ride-On or balance beads. My limited understanding makes me believe that Ride-On or balance beads would work better on an almost balanced tire than a severely out of balance tire. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will correct me.
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JetDriver
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 08:49:26 PM » |
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I've gone through two sets of tires with ride-on. With both sets, I manually balanced the tires with weights, then added the ride-on. Obviously, from the previous reports, it wasn't necessary, but no harm was done either. If the weights are already on there, I'd leave them. My thinking is, the weights do a pretty good job, the ride-on fine tunes it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 10:51:33 PM » |
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Ride-on balances the wheel by being thicker in the lighter side of the wheel. If the puncture happens on the heavy side, there will be less goop to fill the hole. If the wheel is balanced with weights, better to leave the weights on so the Ride-on is evenly distributed. Not that I would get all uptight about it.
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JetDriver
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 05:58:57 AM » |
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Ride-on balances the wheel by being thicker in the lighter side of the wheel.
My question is: WHY does the ride-on go to the lighter side? I know it's true, otherwise it wouldn't work, but it seems like it would do just the opposite. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 06:42:14 AM » |
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A huge pile of unsightly lead was removed from my wheels and the tires (MC & CT) balanced with Ride-On. Smooth as silk. Even convinced the local shop owner here to by a case. Jury's out on puncture sealing, but Ride-On is a great balancer. You will notice your tire pressures will stay where you set 'em much better than without the stuff, too. Lots of information on their web site. http://www.ride-on.com/motorcycle-formula-mot.html |
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2014, 06:42:31 AM » |
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I've gone through two sets of tires with ride-on. With both sets, I manually balanced the tires with weights, then added the ride-on. Obviously, from the previous reports, it wasn't necessary, but no harm was done either. If the weights are already on there, I'd leave them. My thinking is, the weights do a pretty good job, the ride-on fine tunes it.
Exactly!!!!!!!! I added Ride-On to balanced tires on my V-Strom and it was extremely smooth. I don't think Ride-On says you should remove your weights, they just say that you may want to remove them and compare. I left them on and used Ride-On for fine tuning as the tires wore as JetDriver said. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2014, 04:52:03 PM » |
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I have no experience with Ride On, but as a darksider using DynaBeads, leave the weights in place. What the balance machine missed will be taken care of using an internal, loose balancing product. The Valk doesn't have any issues with a tire balance if a decent tire is used, the now gone knuckle-head with spoke rims was another issue, even with a top end of 80 mph going downhill and a 50 mph following breeze, it always had square tires no matter what the brand.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2014, 08:13:17 PM » |
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Fundamental RideOn question: if air is expelled from the Schrader valve when checking tire pressure, does the RideOn get into the valve stem, and if so wouldn't it affect the function of the valve? I'm a Dynabead devotee, and those who have used them know that if care is not taken, a bead or two can get stuck in the valve when checking tire pressure.
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DarkSideR
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2014, 08:30:15 PM » |
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Fundamental RideOn question: if air is expelled from the Schrader valve when checking tire pressure, does the RideOn get into the valve stem, and if so wouldn't it affect the function of the valve? I'm a Dynabead devotee, and those who have used them know that if care is not taken, a bead or two can get stuck in the valve when checking tire pressure.
That is a non issue. The product holds in place forced to the outside of the tire. If one was worried about it technically you could first rotate the tire so the valve stem is out of harms way before checking the tire pressure (like the old days of slime in bicycle tires). |
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2014, 08:32:44 PM » |
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on the ride on site it states for balancing a small % more is required to be added than the amount used for sealing.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2014, 11:03:15 PM » |
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Ride-on balances the wheel by being thicker in the lighter side of the wheel.
My question is: WHY does the ride-on go to the lighter side? I know it's true, otherwise it wouldn't work, but it seems like it would do just the opposite. It works because the wheel rotates about it's center of mass, not the axle exactly, thanks to the movement of the suspension. When one side is heavier, that rotation axis is closer to the heavy side, and the lighter side is farther away from the center of rotation. The ride-in moves to the farther-away point and thus balances the tire. Imagine a frisbee, and now imagine you stuck a lead stick-on weight near the perimeter. Throw the frisbee - in the air, what point would be the center of rotation? Ans - close to the lead wt. Imagine some BB's rolling around inside the rim - where would they go? Ans - to the furthest-away point from the wt. due to centrifugal force. Voila! The frisbee would balance (with enough BB's). I've used ride-on for years now. It's remarkable how smooth the ride is, compared to a lead-balanced tire. I don't use lead weights at all anymore. The stuff sealed a plug-patched tire I couldn't get to stop leaking, the first time I used it as a last resort before tossing a fairly new Avon tire. The air was apparently traveling between laminations and my properly-installed plug-patch couldn't stop it. Put in Ride-on, and no more leak. Ran the tire until it was completely worn out. Noticed then how it smoothed out the ride - and I thought the tire was balanced with the lead weights. |
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JetDriver
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2014, 05:37:34 AM » |
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Ride-on balances the wheel by being thicker in the lighter side of the wheel.
My question is: WHY does the ride-on go to the lighter side? I know it's true, otherwise it wouldn't work, but it seems like it would do just the opposite. It works because the wheel rotates about it's center of mass, not the axle exactly, thanks to the movement of the suspension. When one side is heavier, that rotation axis is closer to the heavy side, and the lighter side is farther away from the center of rotation. The ride-in moves to the farther-away point and thus balances the tire. Imagine a frisbee, and now imagine you stuck a lead stick-on weight near the perimeter. Throw the frisbee - in the air, what point would be the center of rotation? Ans - close to the lead wt. Imagine some BB's rolling around inside the rim - where would they go? Ans - to the furthest-away point from the wt. due to centrifugal force. Voila! The frisbee would balance (with enough BB's). I've used ride-on for years now. It's remarkable how smooth the ride is, compared to a lead-balanced tire. I don't use lead weights at all anymore. The stuff sealed a plug-patched tire I couldn't get to stop leaking, the first time I used it as a last resort before tossing a fairly new Avon tire. The air was apparently traveling between laminations and my properly-installed plug-patch couldn't stop it. Put in Ride-on, and no more leak. Ran the tire until it was completely worn out. Noticed then how it smoothed out the ride - and I thought the tire was balanced with the lead weights. Thanks! After every thing I've seen and heard about how Dynabeads and Ride-On works, that finally makes sense. |
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DarkSideR
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2014, 05:47:04 AM » |
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Not having (and still not having) a definative answer, I left the weights on for the 230 mile ride yesterday. I can say that the bike did feel a bit smoother. We did Interstate and highway riding and i was pleased with both. Since the ride was fine as is, I will elect to simply leave the weights in place.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2014, 08:56:37 AM » |
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I have used the product with weights left on, and weights taken off. It worked fine in all instances. It does not affect the Schrader valve after installation. I've changed my own tires after using it, and the rim was not affected, no clean up issues.
As for puncture, I picked up a 1/2 inch steel tap near an intersection in my rear tire, and the ride on was able to seal the tire well enough to get me back home without a tow truck. I was impressed by this!
I currently use it in all 7 of my family bikes. No complaints so far.
Bronson.
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