Dodis
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« on: August 04, 2014, 09:05:56 AM » |
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Did someone take over manufacturing from Shockbushing Gary? I know XF6 makes the shock bushings, but didn't see anything about dampners on their site. I "think" I may need some new ones...    I installed these from Gary back in July 2008. Last year doing spring maintenance and spline service, they were fine. And having a very slow riding year, not even 1000 miles this year so far... At worst, hopefully I can order some today and be able to install this weekend. Along with my carb rebuild from too much sitting time... Mike "Dodis" |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 09:09:27 AM » |
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Pretty much the worst I've seen!
Just order the stockers...the one piece ones (2001/up, though I'm pretty sure the earlier, two piece ones have been superseded). They're good for 100,000 miles...
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Dodis
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 09:17:28 AM » |
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Thanks Daniel,
Pretty much what I was thinking, just wanted to check first.
Preparing the order now, and will most likely pull the trigger shortly.
Though until I get this ankle brace off my left foot, won't be riding much anyway... why hurry.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 09:21:49 AM » |
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Egads! Those are FUBAR toast!
I installed two of Gary's poly dampener sets thinking they would probably be lifetime upgrades.
Now I'm going to have to check them every time.
Have not seen any other posts of them crumbling like that.
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Dodis
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2014, 09:27:16 AM » |
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When I was searching this morning for possible new manufacturer of the poly bushings, I found a post that Gary had a bad run of bushings, but they were promptly replaced, at the time.
I think I have gone beyond the statute of limitations on these...
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KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2014, 10:48:53 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 11:18:00 AM » |
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Wow! You didn't feel the slop long before it got that bad?
I can feel the slop in my drive-line when the dampers only get a tiny amount of slack in them.
Glad they didn't disintegrate on you while out on a trip.
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Dodis
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2014, 11:47:57 AM » |
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Well, I have felt slop in the drivetrain all along, that's why I replaced them in 2008. Still had the slop, so I verified everything else I could, rear drive, splines, u-joint, pinion cup; all fine. So I just wrote it off as clearances in the transmission. And the dampners were fine last spring when I did maintenance. Then this year with everything else I have going on, the few times I did get to ride, wasn't enough to really get a good feel for anything, too busy watching the morning cagers getting their FB updates on the way to work at 75-85 mph. And the same ones in the afternoon headed for happy hour... Haven't made any sort of trips since the TX Hill Country ride in 2012, just to work or local runs to the store. So while I have my carbs out for rebuilding, and waiting on the one jet missing from my order, I decided to do the normal annual teardown inspections since I didn't earlier this spring. (kudos to Jet-R-Us for the quick response and correcting the order  ) I guess once the poly started failing, the hammering of riding finished them off quick. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2014, 12:55:14 PM » |
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I think that you are better off with the stock dampeners. Gary's didn't offer enough dampening to protect the rest of the final drive components. I taken many rear wheels off and have never seen any stock dampeners look like that even with over a 100,000 miles on them. They may have been sloppy but never destroyed to that extent.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 03:56:24 PM » |
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those had to be of the "bad batch" but since Gary is passed away Id chalk it up to being lucky the wheel and the final drive aren't destroyed. Get the IS ones, get it back together and all will be fine
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 05:23:47 PM » |
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I have a set from the last batch Gary sold. never installed them. do they not give enough whereas they will cause damage or will it be o-k to install them?
Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 05:34:51 PM » |
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I have a set from the latch batch Gary sold. never installed them. do they not give enough whereas they will cause damage or will it be o-k to install them?
Thanks
Running them in both my bikes, no problems. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 05:45:15 PM » |
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Mine have been in two interstates for two years and decent miles and they are fine. And I use the throttle often. Both rear tires have been changed since install. I did not inspect them, there was no reason to.
I'm no engineer, but a poly upgrade from rubber seems like a good thing to me for this purpose. I broke multiple (OE) rubber motor mounts in a V6 Ford, but once poly mounts were used they never broke again.
Other than this possible bad batch (which I had read about earlier), I have not seen a single post complaining of their performance or any damage attributed to them, and many of us bought them going back a number of years.
They only go in one way; upside down looks right, but the cover plate will not seat with them upside down.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2014, 06:18:15 PM » |
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Like Chris said, be sure to order the dampers for an I/S, that way you know you'll get the right ones. Those come with the metal already inserted. The others don't and you have to buy the rubber and metal separate. Not sure that has been superceded because it was only about three yrs. ago I mistakenly ordered them for my Tourer and only got the rubber part. Had to order the I/S version for it all together.
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Dodis
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 06:04:42 AM » |
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Yes, ordered the 2001 interstate dampners, hopefully they'll be here in time to install this weekend.
I would have never figured this to happen either. But after reading about the bad batch, I figure my luck has run it's normal course...
And had a similar issue with a Bronco I had once. Kept eating up track bar bushings till I went poly.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2014, 06:38:02 AM » |
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I don't believe the stock dampers are rubber..
I think they are neoprene.
Now I know neoprene is a kind of rubber, but
when "rubber" is mentioned, it's usually thought as
like inner-tube rubber, or tire rubber, which is very
different from neoprene.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2014, 08:59:49 PM » |
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Like Chris said, be sure to order the dampers for an I/S, that way you know you'll get the right ones. Those come with the metal already inserted. The others don't and you have to buy the rubber and metal separate. Not sure that has been superceded because it was only about three yrs. ago I mistakenly ordered them for my Tourer and only got the rubber part. Had to order the I/S version for it all together.
I just ordered some rubber cushions from Ron Ayers, no metal inserts! I found I could cut the metal inserts from he old ones, that were molded in and appear to fit in the new rubbers just fine. My guess is they started molding them in to reduce the likelihood of higher wear in the rubber? |
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2014, 09:02:01 PM » |
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I don't believe the stock dampers are rubber..
I think they are neoprene.
Now I know neoprene is a kind of rubber, but
when "rubber" is mentioned, it's usually thought as
like inner-tube rubber, or tire rubber, which is very
different from neoprene.
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Inner tubes are probably butyl, if I recall correctly, or used to be... Might be recycled Zip-Locbag plastic these days, since China is making everything... |
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Daniel Meyer
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2014, 08:11:51 AM » |
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Like Chris said, be sure to order the dampers for an I/S, that way you know you'll get the right ones. Those come with the metal already inserted. The others don't and you have to buy the rubber and metal separate. Not sure that has been superceded because it was only about three yrs. ago I mistakenly ordered them for my Tourer and only got the rubber part. Had to order the I/S version for it all together.
I just ordered some rubber cushions from Ron Ayers, no metal inserts! I found I could cut the metal inserts from he old ones, that were molded in and appear to fit in the new rubbers just fine. My guess is they started molding them in to reduce the likelihood of higher wear in the rubber? Yes, the molded in ones last a LOT longer. 2001-up OEM parts are all molded in. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2014, 08:59:02 AM » |
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Like Chris said, be sure to order the dampers for an I/S, that way you know you'll get the right ones. Those come with the metal already inserted. The others don't and you have to buy the rubber and metal separate. Not sure that has been superceded because it was only about three yrs. ago I mistakenly ordered them for my Tourer and only got the rubber part. Had to order the I/S version for it all together.
I just ordered some rubber cushions from Ron Ayers, no metal inserts! I found I could cut the metal inserts from he old ones, that were molded in and appear to fit in the new rubbers just fine. My guess is they started molding them in to reduce the likelihood of higher wear in the rubber? Yes, the molded in ones last a LOT longer. 2001-up OEM parts are all molded in. Unfortunately, the web sites never mention what the differences are in the part numbers when more than one is listed. Sucks... Oh well. Keep an eye on them every tire change. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2014, 07:33:49 PM » |
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Pretty much the worst I've seen!
Just order the stockers...the one piece ones (2001/up, though I'm pretty sure the earlier, two piece ones have been superseded). They're good for 100,000 miles...
I wore the one piece ones out in 30,000 miles....  |
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 08:38:50 PM » |
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Pretty much the worst I've seen!
Just order the stockers...the one piece ones (2001/up, though I'm pretty sure the earlier, two piece ones have been superseded). They're good for 100,000 miles...
I wore the one piece ones out in 30,000 miles.... Yeah I've got 55k on my standard and they needed to replaced 10k back. They are still in the freezer waiting for me  |
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