Valkorado
Member
Posts: 10503
VRCC DS 0242
Gunnison, Colorado (7,703') Here there be twisties.
|
 |
« on: September 24, 2014, 08:13:13 PM » |
|
Thinking about trying double darkside. I love Avon Cobras on front but they aren't cheap and I rip through them on the chip seal around here. Can't even get 10k out of them. Is there a good handling "favorite" (rear) tire similar in size to the OEM 150/80-17 for front darkside? Is anything close in handling to the Cobra? I'd like to hear from those who have tried double darkside, what tire they used, if they like our hate it and why? I don't want to sacrifice cornering, etc. to save some bucks.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good, there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood? - John Prine 97 Tourer "Silver Bullet" 01 Interstate "Ruby"  |
|
|
|
The emperor has no clothes
|
|
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 08:57:46 PM » |
|
I've got 4k on a Yokohama avid ascend 195/60 on the rear and a Michelin pilot Activ 150/70 rear mounted reverse on the front with 2k on it. It's early to judge but I think this might be my best combo yet. Time will tell. I don't ride super aggressive but they feel great to me. Haven't had the the front in rain yet though.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Led
|
|
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 01:57:05 PM » |
|
I've got 4k on a Yokohama avid ascend 195/60 on the rear and a Michelin pilot Activ 150/70 rear mounted reverse on the front with 2k on it. It's early to judge but I think this might be my best combo yet. Time will tell. I don't ride super aggressive but they feel great to me. Haven't had the the front in rain yet though.
I am curious, as to why you would run the CT "reverse" on the front. "Directional" tires are designed to shed water out the back. If it is reveresed, could you just build up more water in FRONT of the wheel, of which I do not believe would be a good scenario? Just curious as to your reasoning. Maybe there is something here, I am not getting.....?? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Gryphon Rider
Member
Posts: 5227
2000 Tourer
Calgary, Alberta
|
|
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 02:05:22 PM » |
|
I am curious, as to why you would run the CT "reverse" on the front.
Not a CT on front. It's a rear MT reversed on the front. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Gryphon Rider
Member
Posts: 5227
2000 Tourer
Calgary, Alberta
|
|
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 02:10:35 PM » |
|
I am curious, as to why you would run the CT "reverse" on the front. "Directional" tires are designed to shed water out the back. If it is reveresed, could you just build up more water in FRONT of the wheel, of which I do not believe would be a good scenario?
Just curious as to your reasoning. Maybe there is something here, I am not getting.....??
To quote myself: Regarding tire construction, tread patterns, and directionality:
The main reason why the direction of a motorcycle tire is specified is because of the way the tire is constructed. Where the belts overlap there is a potential weakness. The accelerating or braking forces will either be trying to separate the lap joint, or push it together. Because the dominant force on a rear tire is acceleration rather than braking, the tire is oriented so the lap joints are pushed together. The same tire on the front wheel should be mounted backwards because the force on the tire is all braking and no acceleration, and by changing the direction we continue to push the joint together. How much of a concern this really is is open for us to debate or for a motorcycle tire engineer to settle.
With directional tread patterns and rain, if the tire's contact patch is not moving faster or slower than the road surface (i.e. the tire is not sliding due to acceleration or braking forces), the direction of the "V" has no bearing on how well it evacuates water. Water is simply squished out from under the tread blocks and into the nearest groove with capacity to take it. When the back tire is slipping due to acceleration, the "V" should point towards the back of the bike at the road surface. It acts the same as a tractor tire slipping in mud, directing the fluid towards either side of the tire, rather than scooping it towards the centre of the tire. When the front tire is slipping due to braking forces, the "V" should point towards the front of the bike at the road surface. It acts like a "V"-shaped snow plow, pushing the fluid towards the sides, rather than scooping it towards the middle.
For these reasons, if I were to try mounting a designated rear motorcycle tire on the front of my bike, I would reverse its intended mounting direction.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
The emperor has no clothes
|
|
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2014, 03:43:44 PM » |
|
I am curious, as to why you would run the CT "reverse" on the front.
Not a CT on front. It's a rear MT reversed on the front. Yes it is. Sorry I guess I wasn't clear in the way I worded it. The Yokohama CT on back is in the correct rotation. The Michelin rear activ is backwards of the rotation arrow. I did that because it looked like it would shed the water better. Some don't though with good results. It just looked to me the best way. Like I say so far this is my favorite combo. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Valkorado
Member
Posts: 10503
VRCC DS 0242
Gunnison, Colorado (7,703') Here there be twisties.
|
|
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2014, 05:14:08 PM » |
|
I've got 4k on a Yokohama avid ascend 195/60 on the rear and a Michelin pilot Activ 150/70 rear mounted reverse on the front with 2k on it. It's early to judge but I think this might be my best combo yet. Time will tell. I don't ride super aggressive but they feel great to me. Haven't had the the front in rain yet though.
Thanks for the info meathead. I like the looks of that tire, it has a sporty tread design. I may try it with the Austone on back. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good, there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood? - John Prine 97 Tourer "Silver Bullet" 01 Interstate "Ruby" |
|
|
|
Firefighter
|
|
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2014, 05:16:50 PM » |
|
Hey Valkorado, wanting the same, but I don't want to go any smaller tire. The only REAR tire I have found in the 150/80/17 is the Bridgestone Exedra g701 Radial, expensive and the only review I have seen so far was not good. Have not had time to look much yet. Firefighter
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
2000 Valkyrie Interstate, Black/Red
2006 Honda Sabre 1100
2013 Honda Spirit 750
2002 Honda Rebel 250
1978 Honda 750
|
|
|
|
The emperor has no clothes
|
|
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 06:19:31 PM » |
|
Hey Valkorado, wanting the same, but I don't want to go any smaller tire. The only REAR tire I have found in the 150/80/17 is the Bridgestone Exedra g701 Radial, expensive and the only review I have seen so far was not good. Have not had time to look much yet. Firefighter
The G701 is a front . I've had 2 and they were good tires and got about 13k out them. The G702 are the rears but they don't have them in 150/80/17. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Fla. Jim
|
|
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 07:28:03 PM » |
|
Rear tire I am currently running on front to go with my Michelin Hydroedge rear. Is a Michelin Pilot Activ Rear Tire - 130/70-17H. Ran a couple of K491 Dunlops and got over 30k apiece with them. This current Michelin front rides smoother and seems to be as tractable.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Firefighter
|
|
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 08:06:49 PM » |
|
Been looking at the Bridgestone G701, says rear tire. Same one you used? Firefighter
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
2000 Valkyrie Interstate, Black/Red
2006 Honda Sabre 1100
2013 Honda Spirit 750
2002 Honda Rebel 250
1978 Honda 750
|
|
|
|
The emperor has no clothes
|
|
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2014, 05:40:11 AM » |
|
Been looking at the Bridgestone G701, says rear tire. Same one you used? Firefighter
I tried to put up a link but couldn't get it to work. The G701 is a front and the G702 is the rear. But the 702 doesn't come in the right size to put up front. I've had a couple of the 701's and they were fine. Got about 13k out of them.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
