Need Help Please.....with Ragnar Cut.

[BF]

Help.  OK....the piggies where already cut and the rear baffles have been drilled.  I thought I'd go ahead and do the Ragnar Cut and punch out the holes with a hole saw and then take out the baffles.  Using an 1 1/2" hole saw, I've made the first hole........so far, so good.  Now the hard part.......how the heck do I get the baffle out?  Is there a method to this?  Some trick that I have'nt figured out yet? 

Help......How do I get these blasted things outta there?   ???

[Warlock]

Once you drill over them you have to keep twisting them. They are tack welded in. They can be a pain sometimes.
David

[Gryphon Rider]

Not from experience, but as I understand it, clamp a pair of vice grips on the stub of the piggy and start twisting until the metal fatigues and it breaks out.

[X Ring]

Hope you enjoy that.  When I bought Sandman, someone had already done that.  I couldn't stand it.  Cut the cans off and went to stacks with baffles inside, now I'm running 18 glasspacks.

[FLATSIX]

Now you know the beasts to take away !!

[BF]

Whew.......Son of a......That was fun.    

Got the first one out.  It seems that just wiggling them from side to side, up and down isn't enough to break the spot welds.  Ya gotta put some twist motion on them suckers. 

Clamped one set of vise clamps on the baffle, then clamped another set of vise clamps on the first set of vise clamps.......then twist back and forth.  Just 5 more to go.   

Woo Hoo.......I'm on my way to goin' Harley huntin'.   

[Warlock]

Also with the Ragnar cut it seems I got my best performance. I have had the Cobra's, 18" glasspacks and the Ragnar to me was the best.
David

[fudgie]

I had this pigs cut and baffles drilled. This spring I just cut 3" of the entire end of the exhaust and put the stacks on. Sounds great and did seem to be better on the seat of your pants performance. I may do alittle more next spring.

[BF]

After I cut the piggies and punched the rear baffles, I rode with it like that for most of the year.  I really liked the sound, but it just wasn't badassednessed enough. 

Checked out two other Valks with the Cobras and didn't really care for the sound.  Kinda tiney-ish.  I've only heard one other valk with glass packs up close and liked it, but it wasn't any louder than my cut pigs and punched rear baffles.  I think that they were the Dragon Packs. 

Being the frugal (uh, cheap) person that I am, I wanted to take my stock pipes a little further.....so I did the Ragnar cut.  It sounds pretty badassed now. 

I'll ride with it like that for a while and see how it goes.  The only other thing left to do with the stock pipes now is to punch the front baffles.  Wonder how that'll sound........ummmmmm.   

[22Dasher]

Those of you that did the ragnor cut did you shim the carbs as suggested?
I was going to do this until I read I had to shim the carbs and really didn't want to get into taking my carbs apart my bike runs too good to. Screw with them.
 I did drill front and rear baffles though didn't make a lot of difference as I was hoping for.

James

[woefman]

With all the Different Exhaust Mods I sure wish there was sound files to go along with the changes.

I am so un decided on which way to go.

Juts bought my Valk , and someone did some exhaust work on it ...I'm told it was just one Piggy drilled.

Not sure if that would make the change that I'm hearing.  Comparing it to my buddies stock exhaust(with 90k miles)
our bikes do sound way different. My Favorite sound from mine is the lope sound I get from Idle ( smooth but it lopes like a harley in a way).

The other sound I like is when coasting through the S curves on back side to Prescott Arizona, I get this
very low tone blub blub blub blub blub  Sounds Kickin  with no Popping.

Part I would like to get rid of is what I call a Suzuki sound when rev or blip throttle at a lite.
It kinda defeats the nice idle sound. If I were in a Sound war at a light with a harley.
I feel the harley guy would respect me, but then if i blip blip  I get that Suzuki sound that totally chnages
the expectation of what someone would expect after looking at these giant cans on the bike you would not expect a rrrrrr innnn dinnnn dinnnnn  sound

[BF]

Weofman....

If you're not sure what's been done, take your pipes exhaust tips off (three little bolts for each tip) and see what's been done.  The piggies are three little pipes that extend out the back of the exhaust canister.  You'll know if they've been cut once you remove the exhaust tips.  Then check your rear baffles.  Stick a long screw driver into them.  If you hit solid metal, they're not drilled.  If you're still not sure, take a light and look into them.  If they've been drilled, you'll see a hole punched out at the back of them.  

Here's a video of mine....this is what it sounds like with the piggies cut and the rear baffles drilled (there are six rear baffles).  

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Here's a how-to with some drawings.  It'll show you what's inside of your pipes and how to make mods to them. It starts out with cutting the piggies, then drilling the baffles, then on to how to do the Ragnar cut.  

http://www.valkyrieriders.com/shoptalk/Pipes101.htm

http://luiscajiga.com/Exhaustm.htm

http://luiscajiga.com/Exhaustm2.htm


I could be wrong, but from my understanding, you don't need to shim the carbs up to and including the Rangar cut.....but if you go further with drilling the front six baffles (there are twelve baffles in all....six rear and six front), you'll need to shim.  

So you'll be able to get a better idea what the Ragnar cut sounds like, I'll try to make a short video tomorrow and post it here in this thread.  However, if you're wanting to compete with the Harleys, you'll reeeeeeealy like the Ragnar cut....trust me.  I went for a looooooong ride yesterday after finishing mine and all I can say is WOW....what a difference.  

Also.....one other note.....I have 24" tips on mine.  They throw the exhaust sounds more out the back of the bike and further away from me.  As loud as it is, the sound doesn't bother me one bit.  It might be bothersome to everyone behind me, but that's part of the fun.    

If you think that the sound might bother you (as it seems to bother some) you might want to look at longer exhaust tipes as well.  

Here's a little more info on carb shimming (and other things).....

http://www.rattlebars.com/mtz/shims.html

[BF]

Okay weofman.....

Before (piggies cut and rear baffles drilled) Ragnar Cut.......

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And after (rear baffles removed) Ragnar Cut.......

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After listening to the videos, you might not get a proper sense of how big a change it is....but, it IS a big change.  If you're wanting more noise, you'll be very happy with this mod. 

[hvacjack]

Ok I just finished the three day exhaust mod. I followed the suggestion of others that said do it in stages. First killed the piggies them rode about 80 miles came back and drilled the rear baffle plates. rode another 80 miles liked every thing but still not quiet what I wanted. I have now done the "ragnor" cut and I like this either with 4" test tip or stock I/S tip. I will not drill the front baffle plate as this is the sound I wanted The bike runs awsome and Idling sounds like a SPRINT CAR. NO JUST KIDDING NOTHING SOUNDS THAT GOOD UNLESS IT IS A SPRINT CAR. THANKS TO KEY BOARDER Your Videos were very helpful in my decision making.

[woefman]

Update:

Pulled my Exhaust ends off

There looks to be one piggie Cut and at least one drilled.

When I get a Better Flashlight Will Recheck

Does Ragner cut give you a Droaning for highway speeds ? 

You know the sweet spot for long ride Cruising ?  I hate to Trash my pipes to find I hate it for long rides.

I like the Idea of Harley Hunting with the new Exhaust Sound you have Keyboarder.

[X Ring]

My Valk had the Ragnar cut when I bought it.  I couldn't stand to be on it for more than an hour due to the droning in my helmet.  Even with my J&M system, I had to have the volume turned all the way up to hear it.  Did wonderful things to my ears. Used to take till the next day for them to recover.  I'm sure I'll pay for it in a few years with the increase in severity of my tinnitus.

[BF]

The answer on the droning is......kinda, sorta, it depends. 

Yes, it drones, but it also depends on the type of helmet you're wearing.  With my full face, it's terrible.  It's bad enough with the full face that I'm thinking about selling that helmet.  I don't own a 3/4, but I'd imagine that it's just about as bad. 

With my half helmet (an HJC AC-2m), I don't notice it at all and simply enjoy the exhaust note.  Now, if it's chilly out and I put the zip-out neck curtain thingy on the half helmet, I hear it again, but it's not too bad and can ride OK with it like that.  Take out the neck curtain thingy.....it's gone and I don't notice it at all. 

The thing with the droning though (that is, with the full face helmet), is that I noticed it to a smaller degree even when the pipes were totally stock.  It did get more noticable after I cut the piggies and then again after I punched the rear baffles. 

I don't have a clue, but it might have something to do with the nature of that flat six motor.  It's never happened to me on a v-twinky. 

Would I do it again though?  Yep. 

[woefman]

The answer on the droning is......kinda, sorta, it depends. 

Yes, it drones, but it also depends on the type of helmet you're wearing.  With my full face, it's terrible.  It's bad enough with the full face that I'm thinking about selling that helmet.  I don't own a 3/4, but I'd imagine that it's just about as bad. 

With my half helmet (an HJC AC-2m), I don't notice it at all and simply enjoy the exhaust note.  Now, if it's chilly out and I put the zip-out neck curtain thingy on the half helmet, I hear it again, but it's not too bad and can ride OK with it like that.  Take out the neck curtain thingy.....it's gone and I don't notice it at all. 

The thing with the droning though (that is, with the full face helmet), is that I noticed it to a smaller degree even when the pipes were totally stock.  It did get more noticable after I cut the piggies and then again after I punched the rear baffles. 

I don't have a clue, but it might have something to do with the nature of that flat six motor.  It's never happened to me on a v-twinky. 

Would I do it again though?  Yep. 

Thanks for Videos Keyboarder