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« on: March 14, 2015, 04:31:22 PM » |
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Hey guys, I picked up a Kury Run-Turn-Brake controller - same device I installed in my Shadow - over the winter. For the Shadow, this allowed me to convert to an LED taillight & signals while gaining a 3x flashing brake light. I like this idea...a lot... I want to install this on the Valk. While I'm doing that, I figured I may as well install Deutsch connectors ( example) in prep for converting to a Super-Valk. I wanted to get it into a single connector... ..And that's where things got weird... So, first question, existing Super-Valk members, including the rear speakers and the passenger COM (which may be eliminated?), just how many wires ARE going to the trunk? I underestimated A LOT. 2 for antenna, 3 for lights, 4 for speakers, 5 for COM...am I missing anything? Because that's 14!!??!! Even without the COM, kinda kills my idea for a single connector? Or at least makes it really bulky! Second,the radio antenna is mounted to the trunk. Did you replace this with a more compact antenna hidden somewhere on the bike, relocate the stock antenna, or something else? And what were your results for radio coverage? Third and final question, do you use the stock IS seat, or was it replaced with something else? If replaced, do you reinstall the stock seat when using the trunk? Extra Credit: Anybody rewire the 4x lamps on the trunk to function as Tail/Brake/Turn lamps? I'm considering it, but not entirely sold on the idea yet... |
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2015, 04:46:47 PM » |
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There are all kinds of ways to do this.
With or without the IS seat.
I used a standard seat, made a mount for the antenna.
I did not want the quick attach/detach trunk so I used std fender rails.
I wanted a back rest for the passenger, so used the std.
It is not that big a deal to do it any way you want.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2015, 05:05:25 PM » |
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Don't get me wrong! I know what I *want* to do, just looking for others that have done it so I'm not re-inventing the wheel. Also looking for any surprises I'm not seeing right now.
Also, I am following several previous threads on here, but they are many years old and I'm thinking there have been some revisions since 2005. Looking for ideas!
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PAVALKER
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2015, 07:19:32 PM » |
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KISS....... Keep It Simple Simon
1st, forget the pass audio/intercom...., just roll it out or up under the seat as needed and use a velcrow type cable wrap.
2nd, move the antenna to a lower position, or as I did by getting a rubber ducky antenna and I just stuff the rubber antenna down the side rail. It works, but reception is affected of course depending on various factors, but it works for my needs. (Eliminate need for adding to plug)
3rd, if you have a cb and radio antenna you want to keep....move em down on the bag rails or fender somehow and keep them wired all the time . Of course move CB under seat. (Eliminate need for putting these in the plug)
4th, if you have speakers....you can add these to the plug, or just use the plug already provided under side cover.
5th, rear lights....add to plug or use plug already under right side cover.
I just modified trunk rails and the frame goes on and off easily enuff. After I mount the frame I will bolt up the trunk on the frame and make sure it all moves as easy with the trunk on. That will leave just the two plugs..... Rear lights and rear speakers. I will zip tie the wires to the inside trunk rails and use the plugs priovidedx, for now. I already wired in the fender light behind the oem plug that stays on the bike. So, I believe I will just have to use existing audio plug and light plug....both under right side cover. I do have the Kury RTB that I will consider throwing into the mix as well, but we shall see.
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2015, 08:45:46 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2015, 08:27:48 AM » |
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Do It... you'll love it...... I use the trunk only for long trips and have plugs set up to reconnect the rear speakers and trunk lights.. so its a plug n play..... Adding the standard tailight is not that big a deal..... especially if you find a used one with the harness included..... I just spliced the tail light into the current harness..... I think there is already a plug for the trunk???? of I used the plug the new taillight???? All I can remember was that I did not have to buy a plug...  Biggest pain in the ass is getting getting the trunk off the first time to get the bracket off the bike to take it apart to modify the mounts...Notice I did not do the standard slot mod on the brackets on the mounts.. I just cut them all to the same angle.... this made the trunk a drop on and once the nuts are on you cannot see the slots... I also did not have to cut the front down that allows the trunk to be tilted to be slid on.... with these cuts the trunk will still stay on even with the nuts not on because of the angle...... I know because I have forgotten to tighten the nuts and ridden to several hundred miles....  My Trunk hangs on the Garage wall and is a max 10 min job to put it on.. If Im on a long trip and staying in the same place, I will take it off and leave it in the hotel..... thats how much I like the bike with the trunk off..... First thing I did when I got to Inzane this last time.... Plenty of write ups and ways to do it on here.. Git Er Dun! B |
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2015, 01:58:50 PM » |
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Brad,
Yep, those appear to be the OEM plugs like I got. I am curious what you use for an antenna when your trunk isn't on, since I see the antenna plug on the trunk side. Do you use the radio without the trunk?
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2015, 08:43:26 PM » |
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I have a combo shorty antenna that i mounted to the saddle bag rails... I bought a splitter/adapter/tuner to run both CB And radio on the one antenna... i use the regular CB And radio antenna on the trunk when its on... much better reception......
It stays on when I put on the trunk..... the cable just gets hooked onto the trunk antennas and the combo antenna fits under the trunk.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2015, 07:05:04 AM » |
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2015, 01:51:50 PM » |
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And I put my CB under the seat by taking out the divider behind the battery box.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2015, 04:10:27 PM » |
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Extra Credit: Anybody rewire the 4x lamps on the trunk to function as Tail/Brake/Turn lamps? I'm considering it, but not entirely sold on the idea yet...
Jwinker ... I'm plotting and planning my SV conversion now. I am not using the Kury tail, brake, turn box or installing a standard Valk brake light. What I am doing is upgrading my trailer light 5 to 4 wire box (just received my Hopkins #46365). I am replacing rear turn signal sockets with dual filament sockets. I've already got smoke covers to replace the amber covers. By lighting with a Red LED 1157 bulb and controlling them with the 4 wire output of the Hopkins, I'll get run, brake and turn functionality. I will drive the trunk lighting using the same 4 wire output bringing turn functionality to the trunk as well. I'm thinking to actually use a 4 wire flat trailer connection for the trunk box as well. I haven't looked hard at the speaker connection, but I suspect there is an existing connection I can use. My antennae (Radio and CB) solution is still a work in progress. |
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jwinker
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 07:28:07 AM » |
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I'm going to take another look at the connectors. I found the one for the lights behind the side cover, but not the one for the speakers. If it's that easy, I may be able to skip the intermediate Deutsch connectors. Brad, I'm glad you posted those pictures. I was planning on doing something similar rather than having to cut the front edges. It didn't seem like it would be terribly difficult. For the antenna, I am considering something like this between the saddlebag & frame rail: Jensen Marine Powered Antenna. I realize my reception may take a hit, but most of my SuperValk riding will be around the Twin Cities, so reception shouldn't be too much of an issue. When headed out of town, I will most likely use the standard antenna on the trunk. Also, if anybody is considering adding an RTB controller, JP Cycles has the Kuryakyn unit on closeout as a "Triple Whammy" for a VTX1800 for $15 (regularly $110). It comes with a pair of red lamps, and the connectors are installed, but the controller is their standard RTB controller. http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ33588And here's the generic: http://www.jpcycles.com/product/ZZ38201 |
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 08:56:49 AM » |
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For the antenna, I am considering something like this between the saddlebag & frame rail: Jensen Marine Powered Antenna. I realize my reception may take a hit, but most of my SuperValk riding will be around the Twin Cities, so reception shouldn't be too much of an issue. When headed out of town, I will most likely use the standard antenna on the trunk. I also have a supervalk. I have one of those antennas hidden inside the fairing, they do a pretty decent job of reception.  |
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Jess from VA
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 09:18:03 AM » |
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If you have bag rails, it is easy to clamp an antenna to them in the rear right corner (that's what I have). Beware though, the spring allowing movement at the base of my Firestick, lost some of it's erection over the years (a familiar story), and at high speeds with crosswind and bumps, it began flying around in circles and eventually whacked the paint on my right bag lid (rubbed, not chipped). The telltale tapping noise from the rear sounded like I had mysteriously gained a passenger. So I tipped it back a few degrees from vertical and problem solved. Rubs in paint (mostly) buffed out .  |
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2015, 10:13:32 AM » |
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Just bought one.. Thanks!!! |
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jwinker
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2015, 04:21:27 PM » |
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Ok...I found ONE of my points of confusion! My 5-wire trailer harness currently runs up to the side rails where it joins the rest of the wiring. There is some zip-tie cable management under the trunk which makes it look like it's part of the trunk. That makes so much more sense now! But, there was a major step backwards for this project. My license plate tabs finally showed up today!  Let's Ride! |
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jwinker
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2015, 05:01:10 PM » |
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Welp....F-IT! It's my birthday (literally, like TODAY), so I ordered my new Kuryakyn taillight, signals and plate mount.  |
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2015, 06:29:50 PM » |
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Jwink,
I think the speaker plugs go all the way down to the right side cover and plug into 4 separate bayonet plugs..
I spliced a 4 wire plug into them under the seat so all the commections for the trunk. Lights, Speakers and antenna are all under the seat...
The Antenna I got was a "firestick"? multipurpose radio/CB and I the also got an antenna tuner to make it work....
I mounted it to the bag support between the fender and saddlebag on the right side.... it just fits under the trunk when its on and I use the stocks antennas when I have the trunk on.. they work much better for distance.
So all I have to do is take off the seat, loosen the bolts on the rails with a 10mm I keep in the trunk and off it comes.... reverse to drop back on....
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jwinker
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2015, 08:33:24 PM » |
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Brad (& others) - so here's my goal, let me know what you think...
I'm going to buy a set of wing-nuts for the trunk holding points. The trunk itself will be secure without the wing nuts, but secured by them. I can remove the rear trunk by loosening 4x wing nuts and disconnecting 2x electrical connectors located underneath the seat & behind the right side panel cover (PLUS the existing FM antennae, if reception suffers too much).
I can reinstall the trunk by loosening the wing nuts, dropping the trunk in place, and reconnecting two electrical connectors underneath the seat & behind the right side panel cover (PLUS the existing FM antenna, if reception suffers too much). Obviously, dressing the cables will be a little more work...
THAT's what I'm looking for!
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2015, 06:48:08 AM » |
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Just send your rails to Bigbf and let him do the convertion
for you. He will also send you acorn not for you to use when it is on or off.
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jwinker
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2015, 06:24:07 PM » |
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Well, the first part is almost finished!   I have installed the new antenna, hidden under the fairing behind the headlights. That seems to be working comparable to the standard whip, but I've been stuck in our underground parking garage all day where nothing comes in very well. I also installed the new Kuryakyn tombstone taillight, bullet turn lights & license plate frame. And the RTB controller running it. But...I screwed up a little bit... In all of my planning, I ended up wiring the Kury signals as running lights and only the trunk lights as the signals. So...I have no signals when the trunk is removed. Whoops! It won't be too hard to change out, but Daymn! Talk about over-thinking yourself into more work! Still deciding how I want to cut the rails. Sending them to Bigbf is starting to look like a reasonable option. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2015, 03:28:30 AM » |
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The people who have just don't appreciate the luxury of having a real garage. Lugging all them tools/parts back and forth in both directions, forget something, heck it's another trip upstairs or to the storage locker.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2015, 06:02:22 AM » |
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The rails are easy. One you get them off the trunk bracket by themselves you just take a little angle grinder or Dremel tool and gently cut out the grooves or slots, and taper the nose of the rails. Smooth out and touch up with some clear spray or nail polish. If you don't have an angle grinder or dremel type tool, check out Harbor Freight.....or ask one of your friends/neighbors.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 06:58:07 AM » |
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The people who have just don't appreciate the luxury of having a real garage. Lugging all them tools/parts back and forth in both directions, forget something, heck it's another trip upstairs or to the storage locker.
Exactly - I can barely close the hatch on the Fiat right now from all of the tools & parts from the Valkyrie project. The trunk is getting a hanger in the furnace closet, right next to the battery tender station. I had a rather nice Dremel tool - "HAD" being the operative word. It was so rare, it was the kind that could grow legs and leave home. Last I heard, it was living at a former friend's house cutting up bicycles. New problem, though! This morning, I rode to work. I left home with the fuel petcock "OFF" and when it started to sputter I reached down and "SNAP" went the handle. I was able to turn it "ON" but I didn't need that to happen! Oh well - I'm headed to the Honda shop this afternoon to buy new fairing screws. What's another petcock handle? Grrrrrr..... |
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2015, 05:57:14 PM » |
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Well....the good news & the bad news.... Bad news #1 - it's raining and cold for the next 10 days or so. Ergh!!! Good news #1 - I have finished the wiring and the new lamps look really awesome! The antenna works well-enough I am going to ditch the stock whip altogether. Bad news #2 - It wasn't the petcock "handle" that broke, it was the nub on the petcock itself. Haven't decided if I'm calling Pingel or Dan-Marc just yet...or try some JB Weld first. Good news #2 - I am finally over the cold/flu thing that settled in last week and kept me in bed all weekend. Good news #3 - Since it's raining and cold for the next 10 days, I have time to decide how to fix the petcock.  I'm really digging the new look without the trunk. I think this is going to be a good balance between the Shadow & the fully loaded Valk. Let's Ride! |
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