This will give you chills--not good ones, either (long)

[TomT]

David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D..C., Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal .. He attended Harvard University, graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.

He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University. Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


Dr. David Kaiser


History Unfolding

I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September.. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy.. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue t o back mediocrity. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x  ten...And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska.. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everythin g we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)

Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.

This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.

And that is only the beginning..

As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" rea d it right now.

And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, 

How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for.

If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.

So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.

Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe. It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.

As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..

I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both.. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them ex actly what I believe-and why I believe it.

I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

David Kaiser   
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States   

[X Ring]

I actually heard a clip on the radio, the day before the election, and Obama was advocating the civilian security force.  I was shocked.  The first thing that came to mind was the SA Brown Shirts followed by the SS/SD.  Very scary indeed.  I see numerous examples of our repeating Germany's history.  The most recent is the healthcare legislation that is trying to be pushed through.

Marty

[Puffs Daddy]

I actually heard a clip on the radio, the day before the election, and Obama was advocating the civilian security force.  I was shocked.  The first thing that came to mind was the SA Brown Shirts followed by the SS/SD.  Very scary indeed.  I see numerous examples of our repeating Germany's history.  The most recent is the healthcare legislation that is trying to be pushed through.

Marty

More misinformation from the tinfoil hat crowd. Obama has never advocated a "civilian security force." Nor, of course, is healthcare legislation reminiscent of anything in "Germany's history" other than the fact that Germany, like every other industrial nation other than the US has a national healthcare plan that covers virtually all citizens.

[Puffs Daddy]

BTW, the "commentary" above is completely fraudulent. Professor Kaiser had this to say about it.

"...But I must begin once again with the matter that has quadrupled the traffic here at historyunfolding: the totally fraudulent email that has been circulating since around April, attributing a right-wing rant comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler to myself. In addition to making me far more widely known than any of my books, this email has given me, interestingly enough, an indicator of the strength and virulence of conservative activism... "

http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/

That's not surprising, of course, since much of the right wing lunacy circulating on the net, talk radio, and Faux Noise turns out to be fraudulent.

[..]

Attributed to the wrong guy and more than likely a viral email with no confirmed author.

http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/2009/08/end-of-era.html

Post above beat me  :cooldude:to the punch

[Jeff K]

More misinformation from the tinfoil hat crowd. Obama has never advocated a "civilian security force." Nor, of course, is healthcare legislation reminiscent of anything in "Germany's history" other than the fact that Germany, like every other industrial nation other than the US has a national healthcare plan that covers virtually all citizens.

Really?  Now where is that "tin hat?"

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[JimL]

It is important to understand that "commentary" is just that, "commentary" and is not necessarily a statement of empirical proofs, but simply someones interpretation of the world around them; and as such shouldn't be considered fraud or truth...simply someones opinion.

I don't have time this morning for debate on what came out of Obama's mouth regarding a Civilian Security Force.  I am sure there is an "explanation" why what was said in the following video does not support what "X Ring" mentioned, however since I am not a "Kool-Aid aficionado" I am certain that the explanation is well beyond my cognitive abilities!

Obama Civilian Security	powered by Aeva

[Puffs Daddy]

It is important to understand that "commentary" is just that, "commentary" and is not necessarily a statement of empirical proofs, but simply someones interpretation of the world around them; and as such shouldn't be considered fraud or truth...simply someones opinion.

I

The "fraudulent" aspect of the "commentary" is that Professor Kaiser never wrote it. It's a fairly blatant attempt to attribute ridiculous statements to a fellow with valid academic credentials. He has every right to be outraged.

[JimL]

The "fraudulent" aspect of the "commentary" is that Professor Kaiser never wrote it. It's a fairly blatant attempt to attribute ridiculous statements to a fellow with valid academic credentials. He has every right to be outraged.

This is common ground where we agree.  If in fact the piece is attributed to Professor Kaiser and he is not the author then there is indeed fraud...I just am not sure who is responsible for the fraud.  I did look it up and the only thing I found was on snopes.com and they suggest that it originated from an anonymous author with the initials "TPS".  I suspect that if Professor Kaiser was the original author he would not have been shy about attaching his name to it.  

Regardless of who authored this piece, it certainly expresses the views of many Americans in this country.

[Disco]

He has every right to be outraged.

He should be outraged that he didn't write it!  It would have been a good addition to his bibliography.

[Robert]

The post may be fraudulent but some of the things said are real. The Federal reserve its true we cannot know where our money went the Feds wont disclose it and there is currently a court battle to find that very thing out. Next the Hitler started the move to his ideals by making a national health care system and it wasn't like the proposed current one. But allot of the way that this was approached was like the current administration. Like there has to be something done you are insensitive to peoples needs if you dont approve this and so on. This could be and has in the past, used as a spring board for socialism. The typical thing is start something small and like everything else watch were it will go. I personally dont like the fact that the Democrats looked very seriously at passing the bill without bi partisan support. Kennedy's death put a big road block in those plans which is why I believe he wanted to change the rules and appoint someone to his position. As for the military this has already been geared up and not a civilian military but the regular military to handle the swine flu that so far has been a non event here in the U.S. In fact Gates was asked if he wanted to bring in the military on the swine flu issue. We dont know Obama that is a fact even his recent vacation how was that paid? It was paid for by a corporation to the tune of 30 grand why would they do that? Advance money on writing a book. There is so much more that Obama has not disclosed who paid for his education,house and all the rest? These are the real questions that we should be asking in this post. Yes you can say fraud in this post and I dont like the fact that people stir the pot with their own views because there are enough of the real ones to go around. I say know the post is a fraud but some of the things said are true and move on. I have been sucked in on more than one occasion to a real sounding post only to have egg on my face later. There is a real move on with government to trample our rights and even the courts to do the same if you link that with what is happening in current affairs people are really worried and justly so.  

[X Ring]

It is important to understand that "commentary" is just that, "commentary" and is not necessarily a statement of empirical proofs, but simply someones interpretation of the world around them; and as such shouldn't be considered fraud or truth...simply someones opinion.

I don't have time this morning for debate on what came out of Obama's mouth regarding a Civilian Security Force.  I am sure there is an "explanation" why what was said in the following video does not support what "X Ring" mentioned, however since I am not a "Kool-Aid aficionado" I am certain that the explanation is well beyond my cognitive abilities!

Obama Civilian Security

That's because what I said is NOT based on this video.  In fact I hadn't seen it until now.  I heard it on the radio during the election and it went further than what was shown.  Then I just kept my eyes and ears open and thought for myself.  I am NOT nor have I EVER been a "kool aid drinker" of either side.  Let's remember the Nazi party was a socialist party that brought ALL aspects of Germany under governmemt control.  Banking, manufacturing, health care, etc.  We're already on the precipice of that slippery slope and unlike some people, who have never had a passport, I have lived in foreign countries and have seen for myself disasterous socialist policies.  I especially shake my head at members of this forum who poo poo Britman when he tells us stories of the British healthcare system.  They scream he is trying to scare people with lies yet they're the ones who are relying on lies of others for their info.  So tell me who exactly is the kool aid drinker.  

[X Ring]

JimL, I offer my apologies.  When I read your post it sounded like you were attacking me.     

[JimL]

JimL, I offer my apologies.  When I read your post it sounded like you were attacking me.     

No worries Marty, were both on the same side!

[..]

It is important to understand that "commentary" is just that, "commentary" and is not necessarily a statement of empirical proofs, but simply someones interpretation of the world around them; and as such shouldn't be considered fraud or truth...simply someones opinion.

I don't have time this morning for debate on what came out of Obama's mouth regarding a Civilian Security Force.  I am sure there is an "explanation" why what was said in the following video does not support what "X Ring" mentioned, however since I am not a "Kool-Aid aficionado" I am certain that the explanation is well beyond my cognitive abilities!

Obama Civilian Security

That's because what I said is NOT based on this video.  In fact I hadn't seen it until now.  I heard it on the radio during the election and it went further than what was shown.  Then I just kept my eyes and ears open and thought for myself.  I am NOT nor have I EVER been a "kool aid drinker" of either side.  Let's remember the Nazi party was a socialist party that brought ALL aspects of Germany under governmemt control.  Banking, manufacturing, health care, etc.  We're already on the precipice of that slippery slope and unlike some people, who have never had a passport, I have lived in foreign countries and have seen for myself disasterous socialist policies.  I especially shake my head at members of this forum who poo poo Britman when he tells us stories of the British healthcare system.  They scream he is trying to scare people with lies yet they're the ones who are relying on lies of others for their info.  So tell me who exactly is the kool aid drinker.  

X Ring you're aren't loseing your marbles. I too heard PresBO talk about a civiliain security force during the election run up.

I have no idea as to the political leanings of the following web sites.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-16092-Fayette-County-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m8d31-Civilian-National-Security-Force--what-Obama-actually-said

And there are many more.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=33752

[ChromeDome]

Here is a link to Dr. Kaiser's blog http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/ which is very interesting,  especially when you  read "A Great Fear" from May 9, 2009, which pretty much addresses the article attributed to him.

[bigvalkriefan]

That's not surprising, of course, since much of the right wing lunacy circulating on the net, talk radio, and Faux Noise turns out to be fraudulent.
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Open your eyes, it's all unfolding right in front of you. Even if Kaiser didn't write it, it's coming to fruition. You can sit by and let it happen or get involved and work against it. You need to look at the big picture but the problem is most people don't have all the little pictures. They have a piece here and a piece there but not enough to see all the connections. Once you do it's very scary.
Just keep an open mind when presented with evidence, our future may depend on it.

[Puffs Daddy]

That's not surprising, of course, since much of the right wing lunacy circulating on the net, talk radio, and Faux Noise turns out to be fraudulent.

Open your eyes, it's all unfolding right in front of you. Even if Kaiser didn't write it, it's coming to fruition. You can sit by and let it happen or get involved and work against it. You need to look at the big picture but the problem is most people don't have all the little pictures. They have a piece here and a piece there but not enough to see all the connections. Once you do it's very scary.
Just keep an open mind when presented with evidence, our future may depend on it.

Uh, huh... And the "evidence" can be fraudulently attributed, right? What absurdity. Perhaps if the author had some actual evidence to back up his absurd opinions, he might have attached his own name to it.

[bigvalkriefan]

Did your parents ever say to you, you are who your friends are? Mine did and I say it to my kids.
Obamas "friends" include a adviser who is a communist, Van Jones. Look it up. Do you have a friend that's a communist? I don't and I never have.
Watch Glenn Beck tonight, he is talking about Jones.
His science and tech czar John Holdren said in a book Holdren co-authored in 1977:
• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Ezekiel Emanuel, his top health care adviser, says that  "services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be gauranteed."

Cass Sunstein is his regulatory czar. He oversees numerous agency's.
"According to Sustein fetuses and children lack dimensions for personhood because they lack rationality, self consciousness and autonomy, and as such are not moral beings. Accordingly, fetuses and children can be aborted - but not animals which have a right to bring a controversy before a court of law."

These are only 3 of the many radicals that Obama has surrounded himself with (Not to mention the reverend Wright where he sat and listened to him for TWENTY years and David Ayers)  and they can all be researched. I only wrote a little about each one of these. If you are open minded at all you will look them up yourself and see the truth.
Remember what your parents said, you are who your friends are.

[Puffs Daddy]

...Watch Glenn Beck tonight, he is talking about Jones.

Well that pretty much explains the delusions.

[Scanner]

lol....yeah, that explains a lot...his tin hat is gonna rust if he doesn't stop crying....

[RoadKill]

The author was a fraud,bush was evil,Beck and Limbaugh,Hanity,and O'rielly are all paranoid . Palin has an expensive wardrobe,McCain is OLD and The cookie monster is a hand puppet ! But that doesnt make Liberalized socialism ,or WHAT EVER you wanna call it, right!  Our country is full of SPOILED idiots wanting a government bail out so they can pay for cable T.V. cellphones and beer... and a bunch of lawbreaking border jumpers wanting social security benefits all at some one else's expense. The worst thing we can do is encourage those crybabies to vote,because all they vote for is more benefits,less morals and NO ACCOUNTABILITY! DAMN! ! ! If they get what they want then they all would  be congressmen and 1 of 'em would be the Prez! Small step to dictator from there! The administration is ONLY against genocide because EVERY TAXPAYER is worth exploiting!

[bigvalkriefan]

"Well that pretty much explains the delusions."

"lol....yeah, that explains a lot...his tin hat is gonna rust if he doesn't stop crying..."

Keep thinking that. EVERYTHING that he presents can be backed up. Don't take his word for it, look it up yourself. If it was a little thing here, a little thing there I would agree with you, but there are just way to many things going on to cast a blind eye. I don't want to believe it myself. If Bush was doing this the media and the libs would be freaking out, calling for his head. Please, I urge you to check it out yourself and stop sticking your head in the sand. JUST LOOK IT UP!
Oh, you didn't answer the question, are you friends with any communists?

[Bonzo]

More BS:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp

[Puffs Daddy]

"Well that pretty much explains the delusions."

"lol....yeah, that explains a lot...his tin hat is gonna rust if he doesn't stop crying..."

Keep thinking that. EVERYTHING that he presents can be backed up. Don't take his word for it, look it up yourself. If it was a little thing here, a little thing there I would agree with you, but there are just way to many things going on to cast a blind eye. I don't want to believe it myself. If Bush was doing this the media and the libs would be freaking out, calling for his head. Please, I urge you to check it out yourself and stop sticking your head in the sand. JUST LOOK IT UP!
Oh, you didn't answer the question, are you friends with any communists?

I avoid dealing with questions from Joe McCarthy's progeny. As for Glenn Beck's reliability, the guy is a lunatic, pure and simple.

[bigvalkriefan]

I avoid dealing with questions from Joe McCarthy's progeny. As for Glenn Beck's reliability, the guy is a lunatic, pure and simple.
[/quote]

 The one thing I think we can agree on is that we disagree. I don't think I say sway you and you can't sway me so let's leave it at that Puffs Daddy.

[fstsix]

Well i never get into this type of BS, BUT I live in Jamestown RI and VERY small Island and guess who lives next door to me!!!!!! David Kaiser from the War College. I just went to his front door and asked about this Virtual thread He is not on the RIGHT whatsoever. I am a fiscal conservative But goes to show with the exception of the Valkyrie motorcycle fans 1/2 the BS on Internet Is BS cant wait to share with my friends. Now i will get on my La Monster supercharged Black and Chrome and enjoy the REAL World. BTW PUFFS DADDY HOW IS YOUR VALK DOING PLEASE SEND PICTURES. Ride safe.

[Jeff K]

Well i never get into this type of BS, BUT I live in Jamestown RI and VERY small Island and guess who lives next door to me!!!!!! David Kaiser from the War College. I just went to his front door and asked about this Virtual thread He is not on the RIGHT whatsoever. I am a fiscal conservative But goes to show with the exception of the Valkyrie motorcycle fans 1/2 the BS on Internet Is BS cant wait to share with my friends. Now i will get on my La Monster supercharged Black and Chrome and enjoy the REAL World. BTW PUFFS DADDY HOW IS YOUR VALK DOING PLEASE SEND PICTURES. Ride safe.

I believe this was pointed out yesterday.