For the Global warming crowd

[Master Blaster]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/

[Patrick]

Oh My Gosh, what are the Goreists  going to do now.

[Serk]

[Momz]

It's Obama's fault!  

Trump will fix it. 

[Alpha Dog]

Guess Mr. O must have missed all the alarmist in the 70s that were predicting the coming of a new ice age in our lifetime.  Easily explainable though he missed those lessons as he was out smoking dope and snorting coke.  It is all in his autobiography Dreams of my Father.    Whats the excuse today,  Just stupid I guess
Chuck

[WilliamRS]

not arguing for or against global warming....


that article is about sea ice 'extent'. extent is only one factor.  there is also thickness, old ice packs vs new ice and so on.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

[Bighead]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

[Oss]

The bigger question to me is WHAT is the government going to recommend people do if the sea level rises?   YEah glaciers come and go

Long Island is itself a glacial morain.  The 7 lakes I ride thru are alpine glacial lakes

I dont own beachfront property I am at about 400' elevation  Should be safe from the warming
or cooling as the case may be

I am concerned however that the temp in the pool is now below 80.

Summer may be ending !!!!!

Oh the humanity

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

There is no doubt that ice ages come and go. There is also no doubt that we have put an enormous amount of pollution and gases into the atmosphere. Whether there is a correlation there I will have to defer to someone more knowledgeable than myself. I do know that in the first 30 years of my life glaciers in AK were relatively stable, in the last 30 not so much.

[Romeo]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

There is no doubt that ice ages come and go. There is also no doubt that we have put an enormous amount of pollution and gases into the atmosphere. Whether there is a correlation there I will have to differ to someone more knowledgeable than myself. I do know that in the first 30 years of my life glaciers in AK were relatively stable, in the last 30 not so much.

what's interesting to me is, and I may be wrong about this, we used to put way more pollution into the air during the first thirty years of my life than we have in the last thirty.

[old2soon]

I M H O the weather patterns are cyclical. Again-I M H O-you could throw ALL the money in the world at the "problem" and NOT even come lose to resolving it. Is the world burning more hydrocarbons? Yes. Are there more people in than world than 20-30-40 years ago? Again-yes. JUST the exhalations from our own bodies are increasing the "green house gases". AND we keep on eliminating the things we need for "good" air-trees.  Should have taken pictures but when I started running to California in a big truck I watched productive farm land become housing tracts and shopping centers. And NOT just in cali. Draw from that what you will. RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

There is no doubt that ice ages come and go. There is also no doubt that we have put an enormous amount of pollution and gases into the atmosphere. Whether there is a correlation there I will have to differ to someone more knowledgeable than myself. I do know that in the first 30 years of my life glaciers in AK were relatively stable, in the last 30 not so much.

what's interesting to me is, and I may be wrong about this, we used to put way more pollution into the air during the first thirty years of my life than we have in the last thirty.

That MIGHT be true for the U.S. I don't know I'd have to look it up. But for the world as a whole I'm positive it's not true.

[Bighead]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

There is no doubt that ice ages come and go. There is also no doubt that we have put an enormous amount of pollution and gases into the atmosphere. Whether there is a correlation there I will have to differ to someone more knowledgeable than myself. I do know that in the first 30 years of my life glaciers in AK were relatively stable, in the last 30 not so much.

Yeah and dinosaur farts were probably about 99.9% methane and what killed them off an Ice age. It is a cycle. Hot cold,Hot cold.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You are a meteorological scientist now ?

[Bighead]

Yes
No but I have enough common sense that I can see what 2+2 equals.

[Jess from VA]

If there is global warming, it's all attributable to the immense quantities of hot air and stinking gas from Sodom on the Potomac.  They should be taxed at 10 times the regular rate for this.   

[Patrick]

Regardless of what side of this argument you agree with, our taxpayers throwing more money at this issue will accomplish what ?  We, in this country, have done much over the last 4 decades, so much so that our very own EPA now says our biggest polluters are cows. They do fart a lot, but,,,,,  There does come a point of diminishing returns.

We are not the big polluter in this world and just what do these other countries care, not much if any concern at all.


It just seems to me that obama spouting off about this being our greatest problem is nothing more than a diversion to get our minds off of how badly he has screwed up everything he has touched.

[Bighead]

Regardless of what side of this argument you agree with, our taxpayers throwing more money at this issue with accomplish what ?  We, in this country, have done much over the last 4 decades, so much so that our very own EPA now says our biggest polluters are cows. They do fart a lot, but,,,,,  There does come a point of diminishing returns.

We are not the big polluter in this world and just what do these other countries care, not much if any concern at all.


It just seems to me that obama spouting off about this being our greatest problem is nothing more than a diversion to get our minds off of how badly he has screwed up everything he has touched.

AMEN.

[MP]

I have seen articles from the early 1900's, where they were talking about how much the glaciers in what is now Glacier Park were receding!  According to them, they were receding from before they were found.

We were there in the early 60's.  Even at that time, one could see how much the glaciers had receded from 1900 pics.  So, glaciers have been receding since well BEFORE 1900! I believe they would be receding even if man did not exist.

MP

[Moonshot_1]

It seems to me that the Pacific Rim alone has been annually boiling water on the ocean floor on scale that must dwarf the total human industrial output of recorded history. Add to that the rest of the Earth's hot spots and I'm pretty sure we can point to the likely suspect and it ain't us.

Was out at Yellowstone this year and it is still shootin geysers and all sorts of thermal stuff.

So the question "What can we do about it?" is rather futile.
But we can plan for it.
We can limit new building in projected flooding areas and those kind of things.
And since the change will be some time in coming, the current residents should be ok as long at there is no imminent threat.

The Earth changes all the time.

[Patrick]

And all this time I thought, and was taught, that the glaciers started receding 10,000 years ago. They made the hills, valleys and lakes I live near, or, so I thought.

I try to keep track of the fellas looking for /finding WW2 aircraft abandoned on the ice cap while being ferried home after the war. These planes are being recovered from 250-300 ft of ice.

[Moonshot_1]

And all this time I thought, and was taught, that the glaciers started receding 10,000 years ago. They made the hills, valleys and lakes I live near, or, so I thought.

 

Don't be silly. That was the Aliens with their giant laser ships. Everybody knows that.

[CajunRider]

And all this time I thought, and was taught, that the glaciers started receding 10,000 years ago. They made the hills, valleys and lakes I live near, or, so I thought.

Right about the time the internal combustion engine was invented!!!    

[hubcapsc]

The Earth changes all the time.

And I figure 50,000 years or so after we're gone, you won't
even be able to tell we were here.

There's "scientific global warming" and "political global warming"...
political global warming is just so much silliness. Scientific global
warming is... well... science is why nuclear power plants turn on,
science is why our spaceships can rendezvous in orbit. A lot of
scientists themselves are twits and hateful atheists and whatever,
just like the rest of us, but science itself is pretty unimpeachable...



I plan to keep on using gas motors until there's something better and cheaper and...
that will be the solution to scientific global warming, not politicians. Nobody's
going to use something different if its not better and cheaper... unless politicians
make them...

-Mike

[Moonshot_1]

The Earth changes all the time.

And I figure 50,000 years or so after we're gone, you won't
even be able to tell we were here.

There's "scientific global warming" and "political global warming"...
political global warming is just so much silliness. Scientific global
warming is... well... science is why nuclear power plants turn on,
science is why our spaceships can rendezvous in orbit. A lot of
scientists themselves are twits and hateful atheists and whatever,
just like the rest of us, but science itself is pretty unimpeachable...



I plan to keep on using gas motors until there's something better and cheaper and...
that will be the solution to scientific global warming, not politicians. Nobody's
going to use something different if its not better and cheaper... unless politicians
make them...

-Mike

Maybe we should just throw the politicians on the fire to make more electricity! PROBLEM SOLVED!

[The emperor has no clothes]

The Earth changes all the time.

And I figure 50,000 years or so after we're gone, you won't
even be able to tell we were here.

There's "scientific global warming" and "political global warming"...
political global warming is just so much silliness. Scientific global
warming is... well... science is why nuclear power plants turn on,
science is why our spaceships can rendezvous in orbit. A lot of
scientists themselves are twits and hateful atheists and whatever,
just like the rest of us, but science itself is pretty unimpeachable...



I plan to keep on using gas motors until there's something better and cheaper and...
that will be the solution to scientific global warming, not politicians. Nobody's
going to use something different if its not better and cheaper... unless politicians
make them...

-Mike

This is true. But it was politicians that enacted laws that improved pollution from vehicles and power plants. The companies would not have done this on their own. So I would say there is a part for all of us to play.

[hubcapsc]

it was politicians that enacted laws that improved pollution from vehicles and power plants.

In the United States. There's a giant world out there moving from riding bicycles
to driving cars, and all that goes along with it, and unless it becomes cheap and
easy to drive hydrogen powered (or something) good cars, they're going to drive
gas powered good cars...

-Mike

[The emperor has no clothes]

it was politicians that enacted laws that improved pollution from vehicles and power plants.

In the United States. There's a giant world out there moving from riding bicycles
to driving cars, and all that goes along with it, and unless it becomes cheap and
easy to drive hydrogen powered (or something) good cars, they're going to drive
gas powered good cars...

-Mike

Yes I agree. This is partly where politicians can come in. By creating treaties to help alleviate this.

[Bighead]

it was politicians that enacted laws that improved pollution from vehicles and power plants.

In the United States. There's a giant world out there moving from riding bicycles
to driving cars, and all that goes along with it, and unless it becomes cheap and
easy to drive hydrogen powered (or something) good cars, they're going to drive
gas powered good cars...

-Mike

Yes I agree. This is partly where politicians can come in. By creating treaties to help alleviate this.

So you don't think big brother is in your life enough now
And yeah we can come up with some GREAT agreement like the one with Iran over Nukes huh

[The emperor has no clothes]

it was politicians that enacted laws that improved pollution from vehicles and power plants.

In the United States. There's a giant world out there moving from riding bicycles
to driving cars, and all that goes along with it, and unless it becomes cheap and
easy to drive hydrogen powered (or something) good cars, they're going to drive
gas powered good cars...

-Mike

Yes I agree. This is partly where politicians can come in. By creating treaties to help alleviate this.

So you don't think big brother is in your life enough now
And yeah we can come up with some GREAT agreement like the one with Iran over Nukes huh

Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm referring to treaties to reduce the pollution of other countries.

[Bighead]

Yeah like reducing nukes of other countries we give them big money we don't have and they use that money to do what make more nukes to aim at us makes perfect sense it is clear as mud.

[Patrick]

And all this time I thought, and was taught, that the glaciers started receding 10,000 years ago. They made the hills, valleys and lakes I live near, or, so I thought.

 

Don't be silly. That was the Aliens with their giant laser ships. Everybody knows that.

Well, if they are still up there flying around in their laser ships then I can only imagine they are looking down and laughing at us.  

[Davemn]

In my opinion, global warming is like believing in a higher power. Can't prove it.....can't disprove it.
There is not a single person on the board that is smart enough to answer this question. That includes me.
Go for a ride.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yeah like reducing nukes of other countries we give them big money we don't have and they use that money to do what make more nukes to aim at us makes perfect sense it is clear as mud.

This has nothing to do with global warming but you do know we are not giving them any money ? The money that they get is money that has been tied up in escrow from them selling oil to mostly Asian countries. Makes perfect sense ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

In my opinion, global warming is like believing in a higher power. Can't prove it.....can't disprove it.
There is not a single person on the board that is smart enough to answer this question. That includes me.
Go for a ride.

Hey wait a minute. Some say they are. 

[Black Pearl's Captain]

I know this will not end well but anyone who doesn't think something is making the glaciers recede has never seen glaciers. Go to Canada Ice Fields or Alaska and have a look for yourself.

It's astonishing how much glaciers have receded in just the last 50 years. Did you here about the antartic ise shelf breakoff last year?

p.s. if you want to see glaciers in Glacier national park you better go soon. They are all about gone.

Here is another "NASA" report.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/

Agreed, and its not even the last 50 years. It has accelerated greatly in the last 20. There are glaciers in AK that we have pics of with our family thru the years, some spots you can't even see any ice anymore.

Not getting into an argument here but do either of you think this is the first time glaciers have receded?
It has happened before and will happen again and again but not in our lifetimes is there such a thing as global warming? Sure but it is a cycle such as the seasons on a larger scale.

First thank you for the level head reply. I did not say a word about "global warming". I know ice ages come and go but the glaciers are receding at greater speed than normal. Yes we seem to be in a warming up cycle. In fact the linked article has a page two (did you click it?) where it says we have been leaving a "Little Ice Age" for the past 100 years.

From the article "and the Earth will likely continue to warm modestly as a result of natural and human factors" that human factor is the part that most people will argue doesn't effect the glaciers.

Again, get up there and see them soon, shows over before long!

An interesting read on the rapid acceleration of glacial melt:

http://www.nps.gov/kefj/learn/nature/climatechangeimpacts.htm

[..]

Follow the money.

Gore and  carbon credits.

Could this be yet one more way for us to be taxed?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/09/12/kostigen-climate-change-reparations/72014440/

[Jess from VA]

The fact that the socialists have tied their wagon to this issue so tightly, used it to attack oil and gas production and use, taxed and regulated many businesses to near extinction, forced automakers to choke their cars with things that make them run bad and inefficiently, to justify putting 10 percent corn in gasoline, carbon credits, given away billions to alternative energy outfits that took the money and disappeared, and on and on, does nothing for the believability of the underlying theory.

You cannot believe them on almost any of their cockamamie theories, so why would anyone believe them on this one?  Science  (science unfettered by political agendas) certainly has not proved it.

I certainly support doing our best to not put vast pollution into the air (and water), but not to the point we cut our own throats or go back to horses, or line their pockets with vast amounts of our income in taxes so they can continue spending for all manner of foolishness and waste.