some of them really are out to get us....

[..]

A home grown nut job.

He doesn't need to own a firearm.

[Xtracho]

http://www.bikerspost.com/article/168/driver-that-intentionally-hit-passing-motorcyclist-speaks-from-jail

[BobB]

When I saw the original video, it really angered me.  Especially when he exited his vehicle and spouted "I don't care" when confronted by the biker with the camera.  That says it all.  Maybe he'll care when he spends his 69th and 70th birthdays behind bars...

[Former BMW Guy]

The motorcyclist made a conscious decision to put himself at risk and in a bad spot by: passing in a no-passing zone and passing two vehicles at once. You're not supposed to do that. Shenanigans like that are not safe for a reason. Anyone who has taken an MSF Safety course knows this.
Crum is a douchebag for sure but the motorcyclist was irresponsible and put himself and his passenger at risk. He was probably exceeding the speed limit too.

Joe

[WilliamRS]

The motorcyclist made a conscious decision to put himself at risk and in a bad spot by: passing in a no-passing zone and passing two vehicles at once. You're not supposed to do that. Shenanigans like that are not safe for a reason. Anyone who has taken an MSF Safety course knows this.
Crum is a douchebag for sure but the motorcyclist was irresponsible and put himself and his passenger at risk. He was probably exceeding the speed limit too.

Joe

per the video and article:  yes there was a double yellow line, but the rider had a clear sight line for the distance needed to pass.  legal no, safe?...probably.  the white car is the  one that slowed down to 20mph under the speed limit so that is the car that needed to be passed...the rider had plenty of time to make that pass until the white car purposefully took him out.   as to the speed---the rider said that he was passing at the posted speed limit.  (on my valkyrie, i twist the throttle as hard as it takes to pass quickly)

[Former BMW Guy]

The motorcyclist made a conscious decision to put himself at risk and in a bad spot by: passing in a no-passing zone and passing two vehicles at once. You're not supposed to do that. Shenanigans like that are not safe for a reason. Anyone who has taken an MSF Safety course knows this.
Crum is a douchebag for sure but the motorcyclist was irresponsible and put himself and his passenger at risk. He was probably exceeding the speed limit too.

Joe

per the video and article:  yes there was a double yellow line, but the rider had a clear sight line for the distance needed to pass.  legal no, safe?...probably.  the white car is the  one that slowed down to 20mph under the speed limit so that is the car that needed to be passed...the rider had plenty of time to make that pass until the white car purposefully took him out.   as to the speed---the rider said that he was passing at the posted speed limit.  (on my valkyrie, i twist the throttle as hard as it takes to pass quickly)

Per common sense, you pass on a solid double yellow line in a no passing zone; you're asking for trouble.
On my Valkyrie, I twist the throttle gradually to pass safely.

[Serk]

The motorcyclist made a conscious decision to put himself at risk and in a bad spot by: passing in a no-passing zone and passing two vehicles at once. You're not supposed to do that. Shenanigans like that are not safe for a reason. Anyone who has taken an MSF Safety course knows this.
Crum is a douchebag for sure but the motorcyclist was irresponsible and put himself and his passenger at risk. He was probably exceeding the speed limit too.

Joe

per the video and article:  yes there was a double yellow line, but the rider had a clear sight line for the distance needed to pass.  legal no, safe?...probably.  the white car is the  one that slowed down to 20mph under the speed limit so that is the car that needed to be passed...the rider had plenty of time to make that pass until the white car purposefully took him out.   as to the speed---the rider said that he was passing at the posted speed limit.  (on my valkyrie, i twist the throttle as hard as it takes to pass quickly)

Per common sense, you pass on a solid double yellow line in a no passing zone; you're asking for trouble.
On my Valkyrie, I twist the throttle gradually to pass safely.

That used to be the case... Around here the lawyers have taken over from the actual engineers, and the no passing zones are pretty much endless on many 2 lane country roads. Especially when I'm on my bike, I've gotten to where I mostly ignore the actual road markings and just scan the situation and pass when I deem it's safe to do so.

Also reports are the perp in this video was going 20 MPH or more under the speed limit. While it's his legal right to do so, going that slow behind him on a bike, I'd consider the danger of being rear ended higher than the danger of just getting around him as quickly as possible and moving on down the road.

[Former BMW Guy]

The motorcyclist made a conscious decision to put himself at risk and in a bad spot by: passing in a no-passing zone and passing two vehicles at once. You're not supposed to do that. Shenanigans like that are not safe for a reason. Anyone who has taken an MSF Safety course knows this.
Crum is a douchebag for sure but the motorcyclist was irresponsible and put himself and his passenger at risk. He was probably exceeding the speed limit too.

Joe

per the video and article:  yes there was a double yellow line, but the rider had a clear sight line for the distance needed to pass.  legal no, safe?...probably.  the white car is the  one that slowed down to 20mph under the speed limit so that is the car that needed to be passed...the rider had plenty of time to make that pass until the white car purposefully took him out.   as to the speed---the rider said that he was passing at the posted speed limit.  (on my valkyrie, i twist the throttle as hard as it takes to pass quickly)

Per common sense, you pass on a solid double yellow line in a no passing zone; you're asking for trouble.
On my Valkyrie, I twist the throttle gradually to pass safely.

pass when I deem it's safe to do so.

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

[Serk]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

But if it hadn't been for the deliberate actions of a psychopath it would have by all indications been perfectly safe.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

[Former BMW Guy]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

[old2soon]

I've talked to a couple of M H Ps and was told pretty much the same thing. IF some one is going well UNDER the limit AND it is a no passing one AND you have a chance to pass safely you may do so BUT you assume all risks. Net time I see a M H P Trooper I'll b sure and ask about nut cases like the one in the video. And judging from the video the motorcyclist I M H O even within the no passing zone was just attempting to get around a slower driver. Rational thought was NOT in the cage drivers arsenal. RIDE SAFE.

[Bighead]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

What is wrong with passing 2 cars?   Hell if you got room  dont matter how many you pass. And sounds like you condone the actions of the cage. We all know it was a double yellow but why would that give that assgasket the right to run the guy over?

[Willow]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

Legal and responsible are two different items.

I honestly don't believe you're trying to justify in any way the actions of the cage driver but your focus on how the motorcyclist contributed to the incident troubles me.

I'm sure you're a very careful rider.  I'm sure you're a more careful rider than am I.  I'm fairly sure you've either never or very very seldom exceeded the speed limit.  I'm glad you haven't experienced anything nearly like what was done to the motorcyclist in this incident.

I would have passed the two cages.  I may have passed the two cages against the yellow.  The visibility was certainly there.  I would never be riding a sport bike with a young woman on the back.  I would not have been nearly as calm as was the witness.  We are different and we are the same.  We make our choices; some alike, some unlike.

I don't think I've met you.  If I do remind me.  I don't think we'll want to ride together.  You won't like the way I ride and I won't like the way you ride.

I'm pretty sure in watching the video there are some things the rider could have done that would have kept them out of that situation that day.  The first would have been not riding a motorcycle on that road with that traffic.  Nothing that he chose in any way at any level relieves any of the guilt belonging to the driver who assaulted them with a ton of motor vehicle.     

[cookiedough]

Face it, it was illegal to pass, but common sense tells us to pass if safe to do so which it would have been if that a__-hat would not have swerved purposely to hit the cycle.  If the guy doesn't get a couple years jail time out of this,  our justice system has failed once again.

As far as riding with helmets, a co-worker (probably now unable to work the rest of his life age 60ish or so) who a few months ago got hit near head on with a 3/4 ton truck on his 150cc scooter going 35 mph in town,  still has the mindset that if he was wearing a helmet, he would have NOT been better off.  I asked him to explain his reasoning since his head with NO helmet dented the front hood of the truck, and he couldn't to any logical way of thinking.  He now has verdigo and had head damage and still walking with a cane and might not be able to work the next 10 or so years of his working life.  He did hire Huby and Abraham though and am sure will be compensated well for the truck drivers fault of not seeing him when crossing the intersection.   Same week the other co-worker driving his cycle home at night had to do a ditch run and lay the bike down at near hwy. speeds since the oncoming driver around a curve in the country decided he owned both sides of the road.  He was wearing his helmet and walked away from laying the bike down in a ditch.  Of course the cager kept going on without stopping to render assistance.

[old2soon]

drunk-inattentive-cell phone or tablet usage-eating-high on drugs-sex of one form or another- reading-playing the guitar-tuning the radio-watching T V-too fast for conditions-ALL of these and much MORE I've seen from the high seat of an 18 wheeler by folks that were supposedly driving-least ways they were at the controls.  Once-just ONCE in al my years of driving I saw one 18 wheeler try to run another 18 wheeler off the road. This-your favorite adjective-HERE-in the cage that ACTUALLY did hit the motorcyclist-hadn't seen that before in person. More and more folks with cameras these days-Thank GOD.  RIDE SAFE.

[Former BMW Guy]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

And sounds like you condone the actions of the cage.

I infer no such thing.

[Former BMW Guy]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

I don't think we'll want to ride together.  You won't like the way I ride and I won't like the way you ride.

Probably right about that

[Bighead]

That's the point, isn't it? He didn't pass when it was safe to do so. And he and his passenger suffered the ugly consequences.

If someone doesn't like a jaywalker and shoots them, we generally don't blame the jaywalker for provoking the attack by the high crime of jaywalking, just as an example.

Pretzel logic.

The motorcyclist was irresponsible.
He should not have crossed a solid double yellow.
He should not have tried to pass two cars at once.
By doing so, he put himself, his passenger as well as others in harms way.

And sounds like you condone the actions of the cage.

I infer no such thing.

You may not be but reading it makes it appear that way.