When pulled over by a LEO......

[G-Man]

Why do they ask if you know why they stopped you?  Over the years I've answered them honestly, either by saying I don't know or by saying "I was going a little too fast" or "I didn't come to a complete stop".  Other times I lied and just said I didn't know.  Didn't matter which answer I gave, I always got the ticket, never a warning.  Even when I had a darn good reason for doing what I did, never got out of anything.  So what's the point of them asking the question in the first place?

[G-Man]

BTW....I am ALWAYS respectful and courteous.  I say "yes sir" and "no sir" and never give attitude.

[doubletee]

This may be an old wives tale, but I heard that by you saying, "Ya, I was going a bit too fast," it can be construed as an admission of guilt. Caveat:  That could just as easily be completely false. Just something I've heard over the years.

[Mikey]

I've always gotten out of tickets... my latest was getting ticketed for 80 in a 70... but he clocked me at 108  My speedo said a tick or two above 120...

[Oss]

Stacy was maybe 12 at the time and her friend amy called around 10pm and asked if she could come sleep at her house.  So I drove in my pajamas to drop her off at her friends house

Coming back as I passed the high school I was goin over the limit and as I almost stopped at the stop sign at the bottom of Underhill Rd I saw the police cars up the block.

Sure enough by the time I got to the top of the winding hill there were lights in my mirror and I pulled over to wait.

Said the officer as I opened the window, it was winter, do you know what you did

I answered I suppose I was coming into the stop sign a little to hot and sort of blew the stop line

I continued....I was sleeping when Stacy said can you drive me to Amy's and I am just comin back home to go back to sleep  Looking back on it now I can see that there was no way he could know who stacy or amy were and it seems funny now/   Anyway

"Slow down and Try to stop next time a bit better" said the officer and have a nice nite

I guess it wasnt my time for a ticket that night  Truth is often stranger than fiction

Gman Take lessons from your pal Oss.

[Whistler]

From my LEO days, you ask why to see if the driver is aware of what they did. And yes for court purposes. If the speed limit is 55 you get stopped and the officer says I have you clocked at 65 in a 55, most people will say something to the effect my speedometer only showed 59, thinking hey thats not 10 over, just 4, maybe they will let me go. What you have actually done is admit that you had intended to speed and 4 mph over is no different than 10, you still INTENDED to speed. Once intent is shown it is very difficult to win a case in court. Sometimes it is also a good way of determining if someone is going to lie to you or not! JDW

[valkmc]

I was married to a deputy for 13 years, to tell you the truth I think you getting a ticket after you are stopped depends more on their mood than anything we do. I know when she left the house upset with me she wrote more tickets than when she was happy. It is kind of human nature. I also know when someone gave her crap she always wrote them up. I think we should try to be nice and hope they are not having a bad day.

[Mikey]

Ya just have to remember that when you're talking to an officer of the law, it's the same as dealing with anyone else at their place of business. 99.9% they have a perfectly valid reason to pull you over, and that's just part of their job! Caps off to all the officers out there keeping everyone safe!

[Willow]

Over the past several years I've gotten more warnings than citations.  The notable exception was an obvious trap in Michigan where all the necessary intent was in the operation.

I no longer refer to the young men (or women) as "sir".  I'm polite, but establish early on that I'm not in awe of the badge.

If asked, "Do you know why I stopped you?" I'll reply with something like, "I have a suspicion," but I don't make it my role to present information or excuses.

If the officer tells me that he clocked me at this or I didn't do that I usually reply with "I'm surprised to hear that."  Although it's been a long, long time since I bothered to contest an encounter in court, everything I say to an officer I envision as something he might repeat under oath.

They have a job to do and often it's not to my benefit to help them with it.    

[Willow]

Ya just have to remember that when you're talking to an officer of the law, it's the same as dealing with anyone else at their place of business. 99.9% they have a perfectly valid reason to pull you over, and that's just part of their job! Caps off to all the officers out there keeping everyone safe!

I respectfully disagree.  I rarely deal with someone at his place of business who is in a position to threaten to present me with a rather large bill for something that I didn't choose to buy.

Apparently we have different statistical samplings or a very different perception of 99.9%.   Sometimes their job is justifying their own presence out there; sometimes their job is definitely revenue generation.  ???

I see very little that takes place in traffic law enforcement that has anything to do with keeping anyone safe.   

If it's all the same to you I'll keep MY hat firmly in place and politely wish them a non-productive day.   

[junior]

boy remind me not to take advice from the old guys...............................it will put you in the pokey
i have beaten somany tickets that it aint funny and i know for a fact that the NYHP really does have a sence of humor but it also helps looking like a dumb hick

 now i ask you does this guy looks like he would break the law?

[Hoser]

First rule of a traffic stop, when they ask if they may search you, your vehicle, or your saddle bags, say no.  If they hafta ask, they are fishing, and it will be done.  It means they have no probable cause to perform a search, but want to any way.  Most bad guys say yes, thinking they won't if they grant permission.  They couldn't be more wrong.  Meanwhile, honest folks will be delayed for no good reason if they grant permission.  Sorry officers, but it's that pesky 4th admendment.  hoser

[Jess from VA]

The real trick question is not, 'do you know why I stopped you?'..... it is, 'do you know how fast you were going?'

Well now officer, I'm law and order all the way, but I believe that to be a trick question.  If I admit to speeding you can use it against me, and if I say I have no idea what my speed was, then whatever speed you say I was going is undisputable. (then shut up)

Do you know why I stopped you?   'You want to sell me tickets to the state police ball?"  "State Police don't have balls."   Oh my, I'm sorry to hear that.

Seriously, I'm with Willow on this.  Polite and respectful, but I have a little trouble calling a 20 something kid "sir"..... "officer" does nicely.  And don't volunteer information.

My more memorable stop for a mild speed violation had the kid yelling at me "do you know you could kill someone doing that?"    "Officer, I never killed a man that didn't have it coming."  Said with a smile.   I was getting a ticket anyway.

[alph]

I got my first ticket in over 20 years this last July.  I was behind a guy that slams on his breaks, I thought there was something in the road, I go around him, and sure enough, there’s a cop that clocks HIM at 78, and I get the ticket for 78, 13 over the limit.  Yes I know I could have gotten out of it if I persued it but I didn’t feel like taking my chances with going to court.  So I paid the $200, smiled as I got my receipt, shook the officer’s hand as he tells me it’s just a job and it’s nothing personal.  The DA made the point that I was speeding, and there was no doubt that I was going over 65mph, which I agreed to. She didn’t agree with me when I told her that it is more dangerous for me to go the speed limit and back up traffic then to go with the flow!  She obviously doesn’t ride a cycle!  Never mind the guy scratching lottery tickets, the woman text messaging, the other one putting on eyeliner, or the guy reading a book!  All while they drive 70+ mph!! Yeah, I was speeding, trying to get away from those idiots!!! 

[Blackduck KS]

All I can say is if you can`t afford to pay don`t play 

[Big IV]

Officer: Do you know why I stopped you?
Me: Speeding?
Officer: You were going to fast, but that's not it.
Me: Because I was standing up instead of sitting down to ride?
Officer: That's not it.
Me: Loud pipes?
Officer: I do think they break the noise ordance, but no.
Me: I'm not wearing a proper helmet?
Officer. That's not it.
Me: I've been drinking, but just a little.
Officer: That's not it.
Me: I'm only 19.
Offcer: Sir, I couldn't tell that from the squad car.
Me: Are you sure it's not speeding becaue I usually get pulled over for speeding.
Officer: No sir it's not speeding. Although you do need to slow down.
It seems like I took a few other gueses that were all true, but not what I was being pulled over for. The fact that I was actually trying to guess probably points to how drunk I was. Since then I've realized that if I'm to drunk to keep my mouth shut then I'm way to drunk to be riding.  I finally gave up and asked.
Me: So why did you pull me over.
Officer: Sir, your tail light is out.
Me: How am I supposed to know that?


Oddly enough, we did discuss at length my improper equipment, speeding, bald tires, he ran my plates and looked that registration. It felt like it took a long time. Then, they let me go. I don't still don't know why I didn't get arrested or at least a ticket. He had reasons he could have taken me in, because I gave them to him. 

[fudgie]

Officer: Do you know why I stopped you?
Me: Speeding?
Officer: You were going to fast, but that's not it.
Me: Because I was standing up instead of sitting down to ride?
Officer: That's not it.
Me: Loud pipes?
Officer: I do think they break the noise ordance, but no.
Me: I'm not wearing a proper helmet?
Officer. That's not it.
Me: I've been drinking, but just a little.
Officer: That's not it.
Me: I'm only 19.
Offcer: Sir, I couldn't tell that from the squad car.
Me: Are you sure it's not speeding becaue I usually get pulled over for speeding.
Officer: No sir it's not speeding. Although you do need to slow down.
It seems like I took a few other gueses that were all true, but not what I was being pulled over for. The fact that I was actually trying to guess probably points to how drunk I was. Since then I've realized that if I'm to drunk to keep my mouth shut then I'm way to drunk to be riding.  I finally gave up and asked.
Me: So why did you pull me over.
Officer: Sir, your tail light is out.
Me: How am I supposed to know that?


Oddly enough, we did discuss at length my improper equipment, speeding, bald tires, he ran my plates and looked that registration. It felt like it took a long time. Then, they let me go. I don't still don't know why I didn't get arrested or at least a ticket. He had reasons he could have taken me in, because I gave them to him. 

LOL

[fudgie]

A guy from KS camped next to us out in sturgis. He was riding some sport tourer BMW bike when he got a speeding ticket in NE. 80 in a 55 or something like that. The cop told him if he takes this online test it will get defered and he won't have to pay for it, and won't show up on his record. He asked him then why give me a ticket then? He said he had to.  He left camp early to go take the test. lol

I've been luck, in my job I know alot of the cops. But there is one guy I know will give me a ticket. 

[Jeff K]

I have pre-paid Legal. I get a ticket, I fax it to them, it goes away. Sometimes I have to pay court costs but they never show on my record.

[bsnicely]

When I pull someone over and ask them if they know why I stopped them it is to find out how much attention they are paying to what they are doing. If they tell me what they did they are more likely to get a warning from me. I am in a situation where I do not need probable cause to stop, as everyone I stop is commercial and we have the authority to stop at random for safety inspections. I still prefer to stop for cause and then inspect but that is just me. I do not understand the belief that cops make up stuff to write tickets for?? I have never issued a citation that I didn't believe needed to be written nor do I know anyone who has. I do not profit any more than my salary if I write 2 warnings or 15 keepers. In WV fine money goes to the county it was written in, I work for a state agency who doesn't get a dime of the fine money. Now don't get me wrong, cops are people and can mess up, I have heard of tickets being written that I would never consider writing but the officer who wrote it didn't profit from it. Most citations are a judgement call on the officers part and thus not always up to another officers standard. I would guess that I write warning citations 2 to 1 as opposed to keepers. The state of WV trusts my judgement to do the right thing, in every state there is a method to contest citations and to complain on an officer who is not doing his or job properly. I know there are officers who are lazy and just not that bright, the WV Trooper who wrote the accident report on Old Skool Steve's accident comes to mind, what a dolt he was!!  By and large, I feel Law Enforcement is an honorable profession based on service to the people not abuse of the people. If you know of a corrupt officer or department by all means complain and use the methods in place to show them for who they are and shut them down, they are an offense to all who serve honorably............

[G-Man]

I have pre-paid Legal. I get a ticket, I fax it to them, it goes away. Sometimes I have to pay court costs but they never show on my record.

Please fill me in on this....pre-paid legal stuff.

[suthrncop]

Just a few corrections here....
Willow, unfortunately when you get a speeding ticket it is something you agreed to buy, sort of.  You buy the ticket when you speed, it is a concious decision on your part..don't take it personal that is just my take on it....If you weren't speeding you wouldn't get the ticket (make the purchase). If you don't want to buy it don't go shopping!!!!
A bit about searching vehicles....I don't ask to search unless I already have probable cause..I ask just to gauge someone's nervousness....90% of the time I ask, I already have Prob. Cause.....just getting a read on the person, or ideas where to look...a person's reaction tells alot..

[Steve K (IA)]

In 37 years of driving, I've had 1 ticket for speeding (missed the sign because I was messing with the radio) and 1 warning for a head light not working (had just burnt out that evening while I was away from home).  These were while driving a car.  No tickets on the bike.  I frequently check the tail and brake lights and turn signals.  I live by this statement:  "Never give them an excuse to stop you".  Has worked fairly well for me.

[bsnicely]

I have pre-paid Legal. I get a ticket, I fax it to them, it goes away. Sometimes I have to pay court costs but they never show on my record.

Please fill me in on this....pre-paid legal stuff.

I have been to court several times with pre-paid legal attys. I have never lost one of these cases. The pre-paid legal service contract to a local atty. who is uninterested in the case and only makes a minimal fee for showing up at court. Most are simply looking for a reduction in the fine to be paid. My experience with pre-paid legal has always been, well nuff said .........

[jbooth2099]

I beat one here in my town about a month ago !  Yeah for me !

I got stopped about 1/4 mile from my house on the main road before turning into my neighborhood.  He clocked me at 49 in a 35.

When asked if I knew how fast I was going I replied " I have no clue, right now I'm doing about 90 sitting here".  My speedo is broken on my truck.  He leaned in and agreed that it was broken.  I got a ticket for the speeding, expired inspection and a warning on a bad tail light.  The odd thing was that I was coming home early to fix the light and go get the truck inspected, which I did right after he finished with me.  They have new computers here and are able to put a lot of information on a ticket, then print it out before you sign it.  He noted that he witnessed my broken speedometer.

When I went to court, the inspection ticket was dismissed imediately since I had gotten it done.  The prosecuter asked me what I wanted to do about the speeding ticket (meaning drivers ed, trial or just pay).  I said I'd like to dismiss it also based on the comments written by the officer on the ticket.  He read it and to my surprise said "sounds good to me, dismissed"

JB

[Jeff K]

I have pre-paid Legal. I get a ticket, I fax it to them, it goes away. Sometimes I have to pay court costs but they never show on my record.

Please fill me in on this....pre-paid legal stuff.

My previous employer offered pre-paid legal to us as a benefit, after I left I kept it up myself. I think it costs me about $6 per week.
If you don't use it the amount of service hours build, also works for wills, law suits, what ever. Traffic is free, and doesn't take from trial, or pre-trial  hours.
It works for anyone living in the house so it came in handy for the kids too. Helped my daughter when she had a wreck.
I have not had a ticket on my record for a long long time.

I got a ticket in Georgia, pre paid said " i think you are sunk on this one, that county is BAD" "I said I still want a lawyer"
I got a call the next day from a lawyer, she said "no problem, I don't know why they would tell you that" "fax the ticket to us, then wait, wait a long time, you may not hear from us for a year or more" ??
Lo and behold 18 months later I got a letter thanking me for using them and it said the ticket was dismissed. No money changed hands at all. I guess they just tie it up in court until they drop it? Works for me!

[Willow]

Just a few corrections here....
Willow, unfortunately when you get a speeding ticket it is something you agreed to buy, sort of.  .You buy the ticket when you speed, it is a concious decision on your part..don't take it personal that is just my take on it....If you weren't speeding you wouldn't get the ticket (make the purchase). If you don't want to buy it don't go shopping!!!!

I had a long ranting reply typed up and deleted it.  I decided there was really no good reason to overly offend my friends who wear badges.

Suffice it to say that I view your corrections as merely differences of perspective.  I stand on my original opinions.  That is to say, I stand essentially uncorrected.

Interestingly the argument you present concerning "buying" a speeding ticket bears an uncanny similarity to that offered to urban businessmen by thugs selling "protection".

It is my firm belief that law enforcement is necessary, including traffic law enforcement.  I believe just as strongly that traffic law enforcement is a necessary evil with the necessity doing very little to mitigate the evil.

YMMV   

[suthrncop]

I still think you buy it!!! Not trying to argue but just don't think the analogy used fits the arguement...IMHO....but that's why everyone is entitled to their own opinion (even if it is wrong )   

[Jeff K]

You buy the ticket when you speed, it is a concious decision on your part

Not true.
If I miss a sign it is a "mistake" on my part, not a "conscious decision", though the fine is the same for both.

There is a ramp that merges 417 with I4 in Kissimee, it has one 50mph sign on the merge coming out of the toll plazza.
It is 4 lanes wide and runs parallel with I4 for a couple of miles.
It is very hard to hold 50 mph while traffic right next to you is whizzing by at 70+ mph, and try to merge.

This Labor day weekend on Saturday, they had 12 troopers and a TV crew hiding in the trees. They were taking turns pulling people over. They had a spot down the ramp that they could pull people over and stay out of sight of the new victims.
On Monday they had 9 more cars there.

It's a nice trap, there are Troopers there a lot, I really have to make a "conscious effort" to not speed there.
Nice parting gift for the people leaving Disney!  

[suthrncop]

I agree with you on the missed sign part, but the speeding is different.. for the most part people speed conciously knowing that they are, there are the times when you may not know the limit for a particular road, or enter a reduced area without noticing the sign, but I still say if you "knowingly" speed with disregard for the law, you buy the ticket! hehe

[Jabba]

I always look for a safe place for both me and the office.  Pull over.  Roll my window down.  Put my keys on the dash.  And put both hands on the wheel.  I do not dig for license or registration untill the officer is at my window.  I give him my license and CCW permit at the same time.  Since I have started doing this... I get mostly warnings.  I got a couple ones I deserved in speed traps.  I just paid them.  I have also beaten them.

I got a call at 2:00 AM on my birthday one year from my wofe who works nights.  She was at the hospital and had her purse stolen.  Car keys and all.  I was heading to her place of work to rescue her.  It was 30 miles or so thru the country the whole way.  I was running 70 in a 55, an a 2 lane, with me and the cop the ONLY 2 people on the road.  He was oncoming.  Turned around... I was pulled over before he got the whole way turned around.  I told him my story.  He wrote me the ticket.  I told him I'd see him in court.

He was there.  I saw him.  The DA wanted me to plead it to take defensive driveing for $35.  I kept refusing.  She kept telling me I was guilty, and this was a good deal.  I kept refusing, finally telling her that I didn;t care about the fine.  Whatever the fine was was fine with me, because it was worth it to me to illustrate what an A-Hole I thought the officer was.  She sent him home.  I saw it.  I SAW her ask him to leave the courtroom.

When I went in front of the judge... it went like this...

Da Judge (dj) "Mr Lowe, I see you are wearing a tie."
Me "Yes your honor".
dj "you are the ONLY defendant I have seen here tonight with a tie on.  Can you explain?"
me  "Sure your Honor.  YOU are wearing a tie... as are all the Officers I see here tonight.  If ya'll respect teh court enough to wear one, I figured I should follow your lead."
dj "Are you a lawyer?"
me "No sir."
dj "Are you SURE you're not a lawyer?"
me "I am NOT a lawyer."
dj "Mr. Lowe, are you ready to defend yourself?"
Me "Yes your Honor, I am."
dj  "Well the DA is NOT ready.  You are free to go."
Me "Thank you very much"  under my breath... "In your face you nasty country"  or something sort of LIKE that.

That was a good win.

Jabba

[Jabba]

I agree with you on the missed sign part, but the speeding is different.. for the most part people speed conciously knowing that they are, there are the times when you may not know the limit for a particular road, or enter a reduced area without noticing the sign, but I still say if you "knowingly" speed with disregard for the law, you buy the ticket! hehe

How do you reconsile someone driving 55 on a road where MOST everyone is going 70 or 75.  I465 in indianapolis for example.  It's the loop road around indy.  If you drive 55, you really are a danger to everyone else.

I mean... I know... if everyone drove 55... blah blah blah... but it really IS dangerous to have a 15 to 20 mph disparity of speed when it's rush hour busy.

Jabba

[ArmyValker]

Got pulled over a few years ago by a Missouri HP. I flew by her going 90 in a 70, on the way to the dmv (honest) to renew my plates.
I got a warning for the following:

Speeding (20-25mph over the limit)
No rear view mirror (required safety equipment)
No license
No registration
Expired plates
Tint darker than 10% on front windows
No seatbelt

She walked up, said "You know why I pulled you over?"
Me: Yeah
Her: Why?
Me: I was going about 90 in a 70.
Her: Yep. Your plates are expired, where's your license?

I handed her my military ID and my leave form signed out of Korea 2 days prior and showed her my plane ticket from that morning. She wrote me 7 warnings.

[Jess from VA]

This thread is fraught with danger.  There is a fundamental difference in point of view between LE and "civilians"  ('them' and 'us,' both ways). I certainly believe most feel that the average LE is a good man (or other) who is doing his job.  There are exceptions, but they are exceptions.  I have the utmost respect for LE and what they do, which includes putting their life on the line every day they go to work, and putting up with the public, including the types who chronically cause trouble of one kind or another.  If I had to do that for a living, I think I would soon be a crazy man.  Most of us would not want that job, but we are glad someone is out there doing it.  

Most otherwise law abiding motorcycle riders like a little sporting behavior now and then, and if you speed (above 9-12 over) you are buying the ticket .....you may get once out of every 500 times.  I view it as a cost of doing business.  Doesn't mean you like it.  [I have received one speeding ticket on a bike in 40 years of riding, but I could get one every time I go.  I am careful, I pick my spots, and I pay attention.]  Also, each individual case is different, on its own merits, and almost everyone has felt wronged by the system on one or more occasions (and perhaps were wronged), but that is the nature of the system.  It is, for the most part, business not personal.  Have your day in court if you want to, or pay it and move on.  

With the economic woes of our poor Country at present (esp State and local), anyone who isn't aware that our LE have been told at roll call to write every ticket they can has not been paying attention.

Stories about traffic stops are the stuff of driving and riding for anyone who enjoys them as a hobby and passion.  They are not meant to be offensive to LE..... and you know LE has their own stories to tell too.

Just remember, if somone irritates you, you need to walk a mile in their shoes.........
that way, if you really piss them off, you are a mile away, and they don't have any shoes.....(grin)

[Willow]

Cool Hand Luke:  "Sayin' it's your job don't make it right, Boss."

The problem is we have adopted idiocy as the "cost of doing business" and someone pretends that writing a speeding ticket to a driver simply cruising down the highway somehow makes the roads more safe, while people who kill motorcyclists walk away with little or no penalty.

I'm with Luke on this one.  The rest of you are entitled to your own (incorrect) opinions.   

Oh, and for those that "lay their lives on the line every day" I can only recall the small army of police officers who waited outside the school in Columbine while a teacher bled to death in the library.  They waited over a half hour after the bad guys had already killed themselves.   

Life is not always what it pretends to be.  Truthfully, life is usually not what it pretends to be.   

[Jess from VA]

It was worse at VA Tech....the army stood around outside, as the shooter continued to execute the unarmed cowering students.

EDIT: but I thought we were talking about traffic stops/moving violations. 

[fudgie]

Lets kinda get off topic- Searching and seizure

I think its bull. If the LEO wants to search, even after you say no, he's gonna find a reason. You saying no could be the reason for him to search. They do this alot in Sturgis. The guys I have talked to told the LEO no and they brought in the dogs. Never find anything but you know they wanted to. Ive seen dogs jump all over bikes out there. Who pays for the scratch marks in the paint? I have nothing to hide anyway if I get stopped. Maybe a container of whiskey or a hand gun, if I'm local.
This happened to Kit this past winter. Was over seeing her mom when she went alittle fast thru a 1 horse town. She got stopped. The cop wanted to search her car and told her to exit. She has a history with the cop for years ago prior for a 'controled substance'. Clean now for about 5 yrs!. Shout out! He searched, found nothing and let her go.
There was a article in the paper about a guy getting stopped for speeding in SD and without consent cop searched his car. He had like 50lbs of weed in his car. At the trial, the fed court said the cop was in the wrong and let the guy go. Didn't give him back his weed tho! 

Don't know about you all, but I get nervous being stopped. I get fidgity. Never been pulled over for 17 yrs till last may. Got out of my 79 in a 55. Looking back I shoulda done things different. Like not have Kit get off the bike till cop got up to us. Did let him know about the Bersa tho.

[Daniel Meyer]

I had a long ranting reply typed up and deleted it.  I decided there was really no good reason to overly offend my friends who wear badges.

Me too. Exactly.

No good will come of this debate. People that have not directly encountered the corrupt and broken side of our thin blue line do not believe in that side, the people that work close or in it pretend it doesn't exist, and there ARE good members of that club, many of which I know personally.

I usually hide the scars and bite my tongue.

[dalai-lama]

What I don't get is how a state trooper here in CT climb right up on the a$$ of a car in the left lane, basically pushing the car, wait a while and then use no directions, pass on the right and then use no directionals and get back in the left lane, and then do about 70 in a 55... and be in their Sunday best with their family too boot.  And even funnier is that there is no cars in the right lane and they are traveling down the road in the passing lane.  Never mind that the car they were pushing was also hanging out in the left lane.

I see stuff all the time with troopers here in CT, doing things that could get a citation for.  I just wonder how one justifies breaking the law as a law enforcer and then later enforces the laws that they have themselves broken.  I guess do as I say not as I do 

the dalai

[fudgie]

What I don't get is how a state trooper here in CT climb right up on the a$$ of a car in the left lane, basically pushing the car, wait a while and then use no directions, pass on the right and then use no directionals and get back in the left lane, and then do about 70 in a 55... and be in their Sunday best with their family too boot.  And even funnier is that there is no cars in the right lane and they are traveling down the road in the passing lane.  Never mind that the car they were pushing was also hanging out in the left lane.

I see stuff all the time with troopers here in CT, doing things that could get a citation for.  I just wonder how one justifies breaking the law as a law enforcer and then later enforces the laws that they have themselves broken.  I guess do as I say not as I do 

the dalai

Good question! Now I gotta admit, we will go over the speed limit in the ambulance. Usually 10 or less. Either with a pt or empty. Why? We get away with and also need to get back into our county for response. Don't get me wrong. I've seen, er ah, heard,    of one of our ambulances getting pulled over for speed around Toledo Ohio.