When pulled over by a LEO......

[junior]

What I don't get is how a state trooper here in CT climb right up on the a$$ of a car in the left lane, basically pushing the car, wait a while and then use no directions, pass on the right and then use no directionals and get back in the left lane, and then do about 70 in a 55... and be in their Sunday best with their family too boot.  And even funnier is that there is no cars in the right lane and they are traveling down the road in the passing lane.  Never mind that the car they were pushing was also hanging out in the left lane.

I see stuff all the time with troopers here in CT, doing things that could get a citation for.  I just wonder how one justifies breaking the law as a law enforcer and then later enforces the laws that they have themselves broken.  I guess do as I say not as I do 

the dalai

it falls under do as i say not as i do

[Oss]

An observation based on a casual census that I started counting police cars where the driver is on a cell phone

Yep

More officers talking on those phones than not on phones, also the traffic agents are pretty indiscreet about it.  News had some sleepin in the car, playing games  and texting recently, putiing false tix on cars  

Same with forgetting to stop for red lite until it turns green

Yesterday I pulled next to a unit at a light and made the yak on the cell phone wave with my left hand.  Got a smile then the unit turned left on the light, which was still red.

What could I do?  pull him over?  Dont think so.

This is NYC and local police  The State police I have NEVER seen doing this.

Perception is relative aint it.

Dalai its seems like the right lane on 3 lane roads is always empty. I usually pass in it on the Sprain and Taconic Pkwys. No trucks allowed on those roads

[the inspector]

A Florida senior citizen drove his brand new Corvette convertible out of the dealership. Taking off down the road, he floored it to 80mph, enjoying the wind blowing through what little hair he had left.  "Amazing!" he thought as he flew down I-75, pushing the pedal to the metal even more.  Looking in his rear view mirror, he saw the highway patrol behind him, blue lights flashing and siren blaring. "I can get away from him - no problem!" thought the elderly gentleman as he floored it to 100 mph,
then 110, then 120 mph.

Suddenly, he thought, "What on earth am I doing? I'm too old for this nonsense!", pulled over to the side of the road and waited for the Trooper to catch up with him.  Pulling in behind him, the Trooper walked up to the driver's side of the Corvette, looked at his watch and said, "Sir, my shift ends in 30 minutes. Today is Friday. If you can give me a reason why you were driving 120 miles per hour that I've never heard before, I'll let you go."

The man, looking very seriously at the Trooper, said, "Years ago, my wife ran off with a Florida State Trooper. I thought you were bringing her back."
"Have a good day Sir", said the Trooper.


nuf said...."the inspector"

[Whistler]

Wow!  What a thread, you sure we aren't discussing politics, oil, or tires!!  Is it not interesting what issues become hot button issues and which issues don't! ???  Ride Safe BROTHERS and SISTERS!  JDW 

[RoadKill]

I have been silent as long as I can be! I ask you ALL to stop and imagine what Law enforcement has to deal with besides your excuses and blatant disregard! They serve a system that is many times unfair and all too often corrupt. And yet they are ALL human and will have moods,or attitudes,or what ever you want to call it! just because they stopped you for a petty crime such as doing twice the speed limit in a school zone does not mean they are not still upset that the pedophile they spent 36 hrs writing reports on last night got a TINY bond and was out in hrs and then got a PLEA BARGAIN to something equal to jaywalking!

Would you blame our soldiers fighting for our freedom for the death of one of their own because a bureaucrat sent them in harms way and some one died?  BLAME THE SYSTEM ! Not our soldiers!

Officers of local law enforcement are just that...Soldiers! I would fight 50 insurgents in Iraq or 70 taliban before I would walk in on a domestic dispute between the worlds "strongest argument for sterilization" (Promote Darwinism!, Spay or neuter your neighbors ). You had a bad day at the office?,got a speeding ticket?...What did that officer deal with today...A mother offering her child to sex offenders for crack cocaine?.... THINK ABOUT IT!

I have been the victim of local revenue enhancement programs,I have gotten MORE citations undeserved than deserved! Not to say that I have not gotten away with PLENTY!  ...but it's the system that is the problem and society needs a rebuild! Take that out on an officer that is trying to do the right thing and they will hand you your ass!  How do you know the difference?

Answer is ....YOU DONT! Suck it up and smile if you dun wrong, and support the efforts of those trying to work in a corrupt system to protect you and yours ..all the while some lawyer and the judge they had a drink with last night figure out how to reduce their own work load while enhancing revenue !

some jurisdictions are better than others...but is it the officers busting your balls or the Department that has set "guidelines" or the worthless judge that doesnt want bothered with the hard decisions?

[RoadKill]

 Been there,done that!

I got pulled over last weekend for the first time in 35 years.  I'm in a small town (< 2000K population).  Lived here for over twenty years.  I'm 1.5 miles from greater downtown.  There is a downhill glide from town, out my way, that runs for nearly a half-mile.  It is a 40 mph zone.  It is common occurrence to roll upwards of fifty by the time you reach the flat.  I hit the flat and tapped my brakes to keep it cool.  I see a CHP on the left shoulder.  He lights up as as I go by.  I'm thinking, wow what a coincidence . . . he is responding to something just as I go by.  I soon realize he has me in his sights.  I pull over . . . and patiently go through the drill.  He asks for license and insurance.  I tell him up front I have to get out to look for it (driver door pocket).  I supply the info - he goes back to his rig.  I'm stopped in sight of a speed zone sign that says 55.  When he comes back I innocently ask him "what was I doing" . . . cuz I didn't know why I got pulled over.  He said: 50 in a 40.  Classic B.S. trap at the bottom of a hill with no reason to ride the brakes.  He went back and continued to run my info. He came back and said: slow it down - have a nice day.  I accepted the fact that I was getting a ticket.  I didn't show a pissy attitude. I was surprised that he let me go with a "Have a nice day".  Ymmv,     

If I had said "why dont you go stop a bank robber or murderer instead of harassing me" it would have been another story entirely

[sheets]

I know that, and that is why I just sat there and accepted my fate.  The irony of this is that I work side-by-side with CHP with incidents on the highway (see; "how do you make your living" thread a few days ago).  I'm a duffer with the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.  The officers on the road are typically younger than my kids.  I understand what their day is like (I'm the son of a cop).  I just sucked it up and was ready to take what ever hand they dealt.  I'm thinking it was my white mustache and neutral attitude that got me off the hook.  Works for me.  Ymmv,

[RoadKill]

Nothing directed at any one,nothing personal. I have been persecuted by the system,blamed by the system and let down by the system...MANY TIMES ON ALL ACOUNTS! and IRONY....I got IRONY but i must digress..

[RP#62]

I just know that you don't begin the conversation with "You're not going to look in the trunk are you?"

-RP

[Michael K (Az.)]

I just know that you don't begin the conversation with "You're not going to look in the trunk are you?"

-RP

 

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

I just know that you don't begin the conversation with "You're not going to look in the trunk are you?"

-RP

 

RP - I gotta ask, " How in the world did you miss Arkansas?"  

[Jabba]

I was in Bettendorf Iowa one time... for work, and I was coming home to Indianapolis on I74.  It was the middle of the day... and it was 105 degrees.  I was in a BLACK S-10 without AC.  It was HOT.  I had on shorts and NOTHING else, and had an open cooler of ice in the passenger seat that I kept rubbing on my fat, naked belly.  I got tagged by an Illinios State Trooper.  I pulled right over.

IST "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?"
me "No officer I don't.  My speedometer only goes up to 85."
IST "I clocked you doing 94."  (I scrubbed substantial speed before he got me clocked)
me "It's a matter of life and death."
IST "How so?"
me "If I slow down... I am going to MELT!"
IST (laughing) "License and registration please"

he goes and does his thing... then comes back.

IST "Sir, I am going to let you off with a warning because you have no record of traffic citations, and you made me laugh.  But you have to PROMISE to slow it down"
me "That's VERY kind of you officer.  I promise.  But, if I spontaneously combust on down the road... it's all on YOU!"
IST "I'll take that responsibility sir.  Have a nice afternoon."

That's a TRUE story.  I swear.

Jabba

[Jabba]

I have on MULTIPLE ocassions answered a request to search my vehicle with a polite "No thank you".  I have never had them search anyway.  I think they are simply fishing sometimes.

Jabba

[RP#62]

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RP - I gotta ask, " How in the world did you miss Arkansas?"  
[/quote]

It was nothing personal, just worked out that way.  Now I gotta go there.
-RP

[Willow]

It was nothing personal, just worked out that way.  Now I gotta go there.

Yes, you do, most especially to northwest Arkansas.   

[Hoser]

I have on MULTIPLE ocassions answered a request to search my vehicle with a polite "No thank you".  I have never had them search anyway.  I think they are simply fishing sometimes.

Jabba

They cannot legally search anyway with out obtaining a search warrant signed by a judge.  Any judge worth his salt will not issue a search warrant without probable cause.  The officer or his surrogate must write a request for a warrant explaining the probable cause.  Declining a search is NOT probable cause.  Turning down a search request with a bag of crystal meth and an Uzi on the back seat will probably not work, because the leo has visible probable cause.  He may wait for a warrant, though just to cement his case.  In fact, he probably will. anything else would be a violation of the fourth admendment and would most likely be thrown out of court  hoser

[bsnicely]

You CAN search without a warrant with the owners consent, after a dog hits on something or subsequent to an arrest.......

[suthrncop]

A search warrant is not necessarily needed for a vehicle...This is called the vehicle exemption to a search warrant.....it is due to the mobility of a vehicle and all that stuff....not going to get into it, but a warrant is not needed if probable cause exists.....not going to get into a discussion about whether it violates rights or not...just clearing up something......If the vehicle has been towed and is in control of the LE agency then a warrant is needed...if it is on the side of the road and can leave with the owner a warrant is not necessary (this may be different in Calif. alot of crazy stuff out there) this is just what the supreme court has said.....

Contrary to what was said earlier, all le officers are not liars....I'll leave that at that...

A quick word about Columbine too, that was a total F&^% Up.....and not to blame anyone, that incident and 9/11 has changed alot about our jobs and society in general.....LE learned alot from those tragedies and alot of policy, training and tactics used to respond to those type incidents have changed.....The officers on the scene responded and reacted as they were trained and according to the policy of their agencies....Trust me when I say this has been changed there has been a WHOLE LOT of updated training and policy because of this....Although many officers are very well trained and well equipped, new types of crimes and circumstances will arise and new responses are needed.....I am not saying whether they were right or wrong and will not get into that discussion here....Would I have reacted differently, probably, but I was not there....neither were you...

About searching, it's a tool and if the officer doesn't try to use it, he is not doing his job...If he asks and you say no, so be it...but some criminals out there will say yes knowing that they have something to hide and that gets someone off the streets that needs to be...

I'm sure everyone here knows how to do their jobs, if you use everything given to you, then you have done a good job, when a le uses everything the laws and courts give him you say he is violating your right..A good officer knows the law, knows his restrictions and uses them to his advantage...the problem is that most civilians don't know or keep up with the Supreme Courts decisions and therefore make uneducated assumptions...

I'll leave with a thanks to all of those that support LE.

P.S.  Willow if you don't want to go to the show, don't buy the ticket  

[suthrncop]

after an arrest, it is not a search, it is an "inventory"  used to protect the LE and tow company from being accused of stealing anything..........sometimes though things are found during the "inventory"

[junior]

A search warrant is not necessarily needed for a vehicle...This is called the vehicle exemption to a search warrant.....it is due to the mobility of a vehicle and all that stuff....not going to get into it, but a warrant is not needed if probable cause exists.....not going to get into a discussion about whether it violates rights or not...just clearing up something......If the vehicle has been towed and is in control of the LE agency then a warrant is needed...if it is on the side of the road and can leave with the owner a warrant is not necessary (this may be different in Calif. alot of crazy stuff out there) this is just what the supreme court has said.....

Contrary to what was said earlier, all le officers are not liars....I'll leave that at that...

A quick word about Columbine too, that was a total F&^% Up.....and not to blame anyone, that incident and 9/11 has changed alot about our jobs and society in general.....LE learned alot from those tragedies and alot of policy, training and tactics used to respond to those type incidents have changed.....The officers on the scene responded and reacted as they were trained and according to the policy of their agencies....Trust me when I say this has been changed there has been a WHOLE LOT of updated training and policy because of this....Although many officers are very well trained and well equipped, new types of crimes and circumstances will arise and new responses are needed.....I am not saying whether they were right or wrong and will not get into that discussion here....Would I have reacted differently, probably, but I was not there....neither were you...

About searching, it's a tool and if the officer doesn't try to use it, he is not doing his job...If he asks and you say no, so be it...but some criminals out there will say yes knowing that they have something to hide and that gets someone off the streets that needs to be...

I'm sure everyone here knows how to do their jobs, if you use everything given to you, then you have done a good job, when a le uses everything the laws and courts give him you say he is violating your right..A good officer knows the law, knows his restrictions and uses them to his advantage...the problem is that most civilians don't know or keep up with the Supreme Courts decisions and therefore make uneducated assumptions...

I'll leave with a thanks to all of those that support LE.

P.S.  Willow if you don't want to go to the show, don't buy the ticket  

boy this guy sounds like he is a cop or something and is trying to sell willow a ticket to the policemen balls

[Westernbiker]

Yea, and wants to say his peace but not hear yours as in (I am not going to get into a discussion but this is what I have to say) same as telling all of us to shut-up!

[suthrncop]

Western, sorry if you took me wrong, just trying to say that these types of discussions usually take way too long to do on a board like this, I'd be more  than happy to discuss anything with anyone, but usually if you try to on a board, it results in name-calling and the such....seen it too many times and then people get their feelings hurt and leave boards.......hope everyone also knows that the jabs at Willow (although  I have never met him) are all in fun ........ Our next ball I'll be sure to invite Willow and the tickets will be on me (so he won't have to buy them)

[Hoser]

You CAN search without a warrant with the owners consent, after a dog hits on something or subsequent to an arrest.......

That is very true, but the dog is not generally summoned  without reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed.
I expect a scheduled dui, license check lane would have a dog present, also, but it's questionable that he would routinely check every car.
As you know, anything seen casually during the car stop can legally be used to further investigate, which was what I wanted to illistrate with my post.  What is your opinion on waiting for a warrant to make sure the case sticks?  That is common around here, where the DA has a man on duty to get a warrant relativly quickly.  (by the way I don't do the cop thing anymore, I am just a former leo and lowly dispatcher, but I did graduate after 16 weeks at the training academy.) The point of my first post was, unless you want to spend a little more time on the side of the road, do not grant permission to search.  Hoser

[Stanley Steamer]

ever been pulled over.....or sped on the Valk!!.....

[Jabba]

I have never been on the wrong side of a bad cop.  I am always respectful, safe, courteous, and honest.  It seems to work for me.  I used to get tickets A LOT when I was a kid.  Not so much as a grown man.  I am not in awe of officers though either.  We both want, more than anything, to go home at the end of the day.  I try to assist them in that goal.

Jabba

[Willow]

...hope everyone also knows that the jabs at Willow (although  I have never met him) are all in fun ...

Just so everyone understands, I have no particular dislike for leo.  I'm always polite and cordial when we have opportunity to converse as they have also been to me.  I simply understand that 90% of what goes on with traffic law enforcement is bogus, as demonstrated by the stories displayed here.  Repeatedly, "I was definitely speeding but the officer liked something I said or did and let me go,"  as opposed to the random, "Just wasn't my day, he wrote out a citation for me."  Seems to put the lie to "don't buy the ticket if you don't want to go to the dance."  I'm in the same group with everyone else.  I've gotten far more warnings than citations.  None of them, warnings or citations, contributed anything to either public safety or changing my riding habits.  we're all just going through the motions of some silly script and some of us pretend that it all makes sense.

What's important is the answer to a question asked early in this thread.  Like them or dislike them; love or hate the system; when the leo approaches your vehicle, make no mistake.  Know for certain that he is the predator and you are the prey.  Behave accordingly.

Suthrn, have a good ball.  I'll be glad to share time with you at any VRCC gathering.      

[mikeb]

the last time i was pulled over [speeding ] i was in a car running 70 + in a 55 on an 2 laner he pulled a u turn and was on my rear for over a mile i had slowed to 65 mph and ran that speed with him on my bumper he did pull me over i played dumb and he asked me how fast i was running i said 57 by my speedo.. i knew i was running 65 + so i said ya dont think i would run 65 + with you on my rear do ya think im nuts?? he said your speedo is off your running over 65  did you just get these tires? i said yep he said ya better get your speedo checked and let me go... no ticket.. just a smile ....

the time befor this i was driving a beater car with 247000 miles on it  got pulled over speeding again he asked ya know how fast ya are going? i said nope .. no dash lights  it was dark out i pointed at the flash light on the seat next to me and laughed i just use that from time to time  he said going to fix them lights i said no going to junk the car out soon. he said were ya coming from i said work .. been drinking ? i said yep had a few the bottle slid under the  seat ya want to see it he said yep i said ill move real slow and i reached under the seat and pulled out my pepsi bottle and said i try not to drink too many on the way home it makes me need to pee  he laughed and said i know were ya live.. have a good nite..

the moral of this is dont get wound up treat them with a bit of humor and life will go on leos are people too..  mike in mi

[SgtBunny]

When I pull someone over and ask them if they know why I stopped them it is to find out how much attention they are paying to what they are doing.

I didn't know you were a cop. 

You get some good and some bad all the time.  I was headed to work from Charleston to Bluefield one day at 5am and was pulled over and written a ticket for doing 61 in a 60.  I was in uniform and very polite to the officer.  The cop was doing 55 in a 60 and I just slowly drove by him doing what I thought was the speed limit...60.  The reason he gave me for writing the ticket was that me passing him was disrespectful.

SOB cost be nearly $200 since it was in the Fayetteville jurisdiction of the turnpike.

[Jabba]

I'd have went to court.

I got a ticket in a little town near home a long time ago.  Must be 22 years ago now.  I got ticketed for 23 in a 20.  Believe that?  NOT going to court was NOT an option.  and the court was FULL of people in there for that same thing...  The judge saw about 5 or 6 people in a row who were written for 2 or 3 over 20.  He dismissed them all.  He then announces to the whole court... "Who is here for infractions written by Officer X that are less than 5 MPH over the limit?"  about 75% of the room raised their hands.  "Officer X, please come to the bench."  He then proceeded to chew that guy a new anus, in front of all of us.  Then send us all over to the secretary for our cases to be dismissed with an apology from the town.  That was pretty awesome.  What a dick.  I guess he spent a whole month writing tickets to people for even 2 mph over in a 20 mph zone. 

Jabba 

[Varmintmist]

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[Cruzen]

It is their intent to establish you physical/mental state such as were you drinking.  They do this by initiating conversation.  That is a standard question used to initiate conversation. 

Want to get a cop really pissed?  Keep your mouth shut when you get stopped.  That gets them as pissed as when their wife finds out about their girlfriend.  You are protected by law if you keep your mouth shut and don't say anything.

[G-Man]

I have never been on the wrong side of a bad cop.  I am always respectful, safe, courteous, and honest.  It seems to work for me.  I used to get tickets A LOT when I was a kid.  Not so much as a grown man.  I am not in awe of officers though either.  We both want, more than anything, to go home at the end of the day.  I try to assist them in that goal.

Jabba

Exactly the opposite with me.  Seems I'm a magnet in my middle age!   

[Jabba]

Hey G-Man... is the Navy Nuclear Prototype facility still operating there in Ballston Spa?  I wintered over there during my Navy training in the winter of 90/91.  I really liked it up there.

Jabba

[Westernbiker]

hey suthrncop,
I suppose I understand what you're saying it just seemed a bit rude at the time but I get it now.
I have 3 officers, 1 sergeant and 1 lieutenant in family and X family. I am always rescpectful when dealing with the law enforcers. I actually took the test many many years ago here in Phoenix. I was in the top 10% on the written part, top 5% on the physical part and 3 daye before I was to take the verbal interview and lie detector test Phoenix put a hiring freeze on that lasted 1 year an 8 days. Well test scores here in Phoenix are only good for 1 year so I figured someone was trying to tell me something and I never retested. However, I do think I would have made a good cop, all 6'7" 240 pounds of me!

[woefman]

BTW....I am ALWAYS respectful and courteous.  I say "yes sir" and "no sir" and never give attitude.

No Offense where did that get you   

I was stopped on my wing and he tried to tell me I was doing 75mph ?
Near Peoples Arizona Just beyond Yarnell Hill on way to Prescott.

I said to him " NICE TRY ...Let's Look at the Radar"

he then refrained and said I not have you on Radar I was Pacing You.

I said Sir Goldwing Speedo's are 5 mph off ...that means I would Have shown 80 mph on my Speedo
in this one horse one Gas station town. " Nice try ...so what was the real reason you stopped me" ?

Have you been drinking son  ?  No put me on your Machine I replied.

Next he checked me out on his Radio and said I have another Call bye .

I was Flamed on the Goldwing Board over this next Comment but I live and Swear by it

(I been stopped 3 times in a year and no Tickets) 

LEOS Simply FIsh for DUI's  CASE CLOSED !!

 

[POPS 57]

They don't fish here in Minnesota. The state has d.u.i. stings that pull over almost everyone. And the overtime is on us tax payers.

[G-Man]

Hey G-Man... is the Navy Nuclear Prototype facility still operating there in Ballston Spa?  I wintered over there during my Navy training in the winter of 90/91.  I really liked it up there.

Jabba

Sorry Jabba, I have no idea.