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« on: April 29, 2016, 06:13:14 AM » |
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I recently installed a non-vacuum Pingel. Seemed to work. Off I went. Ran out of gas. Switched to reserve. Nothing.  Luckily I was within spitting distance of a filling station. Gassed her up and off I went. I got her home and pulled the fuel line. Good flow in the on position. No flow in the off position. Good flow in the reserve position. However, when the fuel level gets down to the reserve level, and below, I still get some flow. Not full flow like the reserve position but some flow. Just enough to keep me going until the tank is dry. I'll talk to Pingel today and I'm sure they'll take care of me. That said, I'll be checking the replacement before riding off into the countryside - that's for sure. |
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BonS
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 08:26:02 AM » |
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Pingel's initial response was to send the petcock to them and they'd repair it. I wasn't having any of that as it's brand new and I don't want to be sidelined waiting for them to R&R it. They'd cross ship but warned me that if my petcock had a scratch on it then they wouldn't credit me and would only R&R it and then I'd own two - no way. Eventually they agreed to send me a new one, then I return the defective one with no questions asked, and we're good. You can bet I'll test the replacement before I trust the next Pingel to work correctly.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 10:34:09 AM » |
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Sounds like the fuel hose might have a bend or the uphill thing we all run into. I installed a fuel filter years ago and had to remove it because I would run out of fuel at a third tank at hiway speeds.
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BonS
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 10:55:25 AM » |
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Sounds like the fuel hose might have a bend or the uphill thing we all run into. I installed a fuel filter years ago and had to remove it because I would run out of fuel at a third tank at hiway speeds.
It's not the problem here. I tested the petcock with the fuel line running straight downhill. And the tank took just over 5.3 gallons after I "ran out of gas" so I know it was bone dry. |
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 12:39:33 PM » |
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A Pingel failing??? How can that be after all the €r@p we take for sticking with the OEM petcock...
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 01:13:16 PM » |
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A Pingel failing??? How can that be after all the €r@p we take for sticking with the OEM petcock...
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 01:14:00 PM » |
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A Pingel failing??? How can that be after all the €r@p we take for sticking with the OEM petcock...
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 01:16:46 PM » |
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My Pingle manual model dribbles gas on reserve too.
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BonS
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 03:15:17 PM » |
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My Pingle manual model dribbles gas on reserve too.
Yeah, not a good scenario if you're counting on reserve to get you there. This might be a bigger issue for Pingel if ours aren't just sample defects. If my replacement also does this I'll be looking into Golan - and I still have several OEM petcocks laying around that I can default back to. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 04:15:05 PM » |
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Honda Fuel Petcock GL1500 Valkyrie Tourer 1997-2003 97-03 $112.48 List price: $153.09 Buy It Now Free shipping ebaby .... oem in the box ... screw a pingel  ???   for anyone else have'in trouble with fuel petcock  |
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 04:25:34 PM » |
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Interesting, I have a Pingel and have had no issue with it. I run it in the reserve position all the time and just keep track of the miles to empty in addition to the gauge which has been reliable so far. When I had to exchange my first Pingel for a slightly different model they gave me no grief whatsoever.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 05:20:12 PM » |
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I also run mine on reserve soketimes to make sure it is working and never a problem. Wonder if they made a bad batch?
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 07:00:57 PM » |
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I leave my pingle on reserve all the time. No problems with fuel flow. As far as reserve goes I have a belly tank and since I have an Interstate I have the fuel gauge as well.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 08:20:17 PM » |
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With my Pingle I've hit reserve a few times with no issues and I only went 160 mi. once. I usually refill @ about 140 or so to avoid a fuel situation. Pushing 800 lbs. is definitely out of the question.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2016, 07:06:09 AM » |
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So, what's the problem with the Pingel? They don't flow enough on reserve? I kinda think it's more a case of operator error than anything else. Now, if the Pingel drips when it is shut off, that's a real problem, and has always been the reason to go to a Pingel. Because the stocker leaked when shut off. Running the engine with the Pingel on reserve tells you nothing!
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2016, 07:08:29 AM » |
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A Pingel failing??? How can that be after all the €r@p we take for sticking with the OEM petcock...
ChrisJ CMA is not going to be happy about this. Lol....even the best manufacturer can produce a few defective parts. It's no surprise really. I would be a tad more unhappy about it if it were my bike. Put a Pingel on 7 or 8 years ago and it is still good as new |
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2016, 11:19:35 AM » |
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I bought an OEM petcock waaaay back in 1997. It came with a motorcycle attached to it imagine that  and to this day it still works the way it did 19 years ago |
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2016, 03:18:21 PM » |
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Pingel #2 came in today. Same problem as #1. The petcock continues to trickle gas to the carburetor after hitting the reserve level. To reiterate, the issue is that I'll run out of gas and find I don't have any reserve when I switch over.
Now to be clear, and for full disclosure, this is a model 6391-CH unit. It isn't the exact same unit that most Valkyrie owners use. This is on a supercharged Valkyrie and the fuel inlet is down facing. Not that this should explain or excuse this behavior. I'll be sending #1 back tomorrow and hoping that they can fix this problem and return it to me.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2016, 03:59:08 AM » |
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Would the vacuum Pingel fix this issue? If not, why not?
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BonS
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2016, 07:56:31 AM » |
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I sent this video to Pingel and am awaiting their insight. They said they thoroughly checked petcock #2 that they sent me and it passed their pressure/vacuum tests. So, it's now their move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGMy-lk5-wA |
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2016, 09:01:55 AM » |
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I sent this video to Pingel and am awaiting their insight. They said they thoroughly checked petcock #2 that they sent me and it passed their pressure/vacuum tests. So, it's now their move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGMy-lk5-wABon, is that flow happening after the fuel level gets below the "on" position but not switched over to reserve ? |
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BonS
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2016, 09:34:40 AM » |
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Yes, exactly. The tank has been drained well into the reserve level.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 11:11:03 AM » |
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Sure would suck to discover that 20 miles from town you were out of gas.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2016, 04:59:27 PM » |
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A cunningly designed limp home mode, just enough gas to idle along but not get on it.
Cheers Steve
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2016, 05:56:46 PM » |
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A cunningly designed limp home mode, just enough gas to idle along but not get on it.
Cheers Steve
Yes, they should advertise it as a feature! No further word from them today. I trust their engineers are working it! |
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2016, 08:54:49 PM » |
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They said they thoroughly checked petcock #2 that they sent me and it passed their pressure/vacuum tests. So, it's now their move. Tell me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will), but pressure/vacuum in NO WAY is an indication of liquid flow. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2016, 11:36:03 AM » |
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I'm returning Pingel #1 to them for inspection and perhaps rework. They now say that they have two test stations. One is pressure/vacuum and the other is wet. They were indeed surprised at the flow shown in the video and they're not arguing about it being defective. I think there's a happy ending to this saga but I'm beginning to resent the down time. At least I have a second Valkyrie!
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