HORSEAPPLE RANCH FEED BACK

[98 VALK]

I bought a set of ( Driver Footpeg 2-Position lowering kit ) from MR. Mark at Horseapple Ranch a couple days ago and wanted to share my experience. I'am six foot four & the factory pegs have always been a little uncomfortable for me. This kit was easy to install & lowered the pegs by over and inch. Wow what a difference it made in the ride. It gave me just that little bit of comfort that i so badly needed. They work great and if you don't have any may i suggest you get a pair. He makes a quality product powder coated black & sends all the stainless steel hardware along with it. I just recently started back riding & did not know this kit was available. ( Thanks MR. MARK for a great product & quick service )

[gordonv]

Isn't it wonderful some of the products/innovations that fellow riders come up with for the Valkyrie?

From comments like, what if? people come up with a how too and then market it off to the rest of us.

I don't recall what bike it is you have, but look over the advertised Smart Switch, and do a search to see who in your area already owns a Digi Sync, also by BonS. That bike of yours just might do a little better after a nice sync on those carbs.

Nice to see you back and posting a review.  

[Gavin_Sons]

Will this mod increase peg dragging capabilities?    I'm sure it will, I can't seem to keep my pegs off the asphalt in the stock position.

[Gideon]

Will this mod increase peg dragging capabilities?    I'm sure it will, I can't seem to keep my pegs off the asphalt in the stock position.

That's the only thing I miss since I triked my Valkyrie. 

[98 VALK]

GAVIN- SONS    I would say that you're reply about would it increase the probabilty of the pegs bottoming out sooner is 100% correct. If you drive aggresive in the twist & turns they probably will scrape. At age 63 my aggresive day's are long gone. What the pegs did for me was give me just that little extra so my legs don't cramp up. Went for about a 45 mile run to Dauphin Island today and i could tell the difference right away. They work for me and i'am happy to have them installed on my bike. You really can'y even tell they are their because they blend in so good.

[GiG]

Good thing I read this today because tomorrow is recycle day 
Went to the hardware store and bought the nuts & bolts, but the ones Mark supplied were still in the box, under all the packing peanuts 

Saul Goodman 

[mark81]

Does it just move the pegs or the brake and shift levers also?

[98 VALK]

MARK81    On the left side it moves the peg down a little over an inch . On the right side it moves brake pedal & everything down a little over an inch. The kit comes with all hardware stainless steel & 2 brk's left & right. Real easy to install. I spent about 50 minutes installing it. everything is a perfect fit & powder coated black. I was not dissapointed it does what Mark designed it to do. And that is give the driver just that little extra bit of comfort. It worked for me great. You will need to adjust your left side shifter down ever so slightly after installing peg lowering bracket. The rt will come down as an complete assy. Comes with great instructions & pictures

[Fazer]

I too am interested in the Driver Footpeg 2-Position lowering kit but cannot find it on Mark T's site.  Help, please.

[larue]

I too am interested in the Driver Footpeg 2-Position lowering kit but cannot find it on Mark T's site.  Help, please.

Here's mark t PayPal / personal business email
valkstuff@horseapple.com
He's quick in replying too- 69+12 priority mail= 81

[98 VALK]

MR. MARK'S direct phone # is 1-720-851-8455 he took my order over the phone and shipped it the same day. ( GREAT GUY TO DO BUISNESS WITH )

[big poppa pump]

I have this from Mark. Love the comfort but I drag my pegs every damn time now. On my 2nd set of pegs now, the 1st set of pegs were ground out from all the scraping!

[salty1]

I bought a set of ( Driver Footpeg 2-Position lowering kit ) from MR. Mark at Horseapple Ranch a couple days ago and wanted to share my experience. I'am six foot four & the factory pegs have always been a little uncomfortable for me. This kit was easy to install & lowered the pegs by over and inch. Wow what a difference it made in the ride. It gave me just that little bit of comfort that i so badly needed. They work great and if you don't have any may i suggest you get a pair. He makes a quality product powder coated black & sends all the stainless steel hardware along with it. I just recently started back riding & did not know this kit was available. ( Thanks MR. MARK for a great product & quick service )

They certainly made my rides more comfy! 

[davit]

I have this from Mark. Love the comfort but I drag my pegs every damn time now. On my 2nd set of pegs now, the 1st set of pegs were ground out from all the scraping!

I am a recent adopter of Mark's peg lowering kit.  Shipping was speedy, quality good, installation simple and comfort improved.

That said, for every yin there is a yang.  Yesterday I rode four hours of an eight hour "Ultimate Bike Bonding" class doing full lock turns, with peg grinding being the limiting factor.  They will be going back to stock height for tonight's class, future viability yet undetermined.

My right boot took a hit too.  

[Jess from VA]

My boards are worse than those, and I have no lowering kit and (real) 13" shocks and a big car tire.  

It all depends on your local geography and riding style.

For me, a lowering kit would be tantamount to training wheels.

But I'm only 5'9" so I'm not as pretzelled up as taller guys on the stock controls.

To each their own.

(This is not intended as a dig at Mark's good product; there's a demand, and he provides a solution.)

[Fazer]

I just ordered a set.  Not much peg scraping in my riding--only once and it was by accident.  I get hip cramps that I hope these will help, and it looks like I will gain a little more stretch in the saddle.

[MarkT]

Well guys.  What did you expect? Lower the pegs and they drag more.  Who'd a thunk it?  I put the warning right there on the invoice and on the Instructions - at the top, big letters.   If you install these, and you're aggressive, SLOW DOWN IN THE CORNERS.  Their purpose is to provide more leg extension for those who need it.  Not a performance booster, like my pipes.  If you already drag pegs in the corners, you will drag them more with the pegs an inch lower.

There are things you can do to get back the lost clearance.  If you have longer legs, then a taller tire seems appropriate.  Like the Austone Taxi tire.  A great tire anyway, lowers the rpms increasing mileage, besides sticking better than a bike tire while still behaving very much like a bike tire.  At 85 (indicated), I'm getting 3500rpm, still at 34mpg - couldn't touch that mileage at that speed before. Costs less, and lasts twice as long.  Since it's taller, it will move your pegs back up for more clearance. I run one and really like it. Taller shocks is another option.  Or more preload dialed in.  Or stiffer springs.  I'm running stiffer springs on my 444's - 140-200 range.

Warning on my install instructions:
"IMPORTANT: These adapter plates lower your footpeg position and will reduce ground clearance, meaning the pegs and bottoms of the peg brackets will drag on the ground sooner, especially when turning. It is your responsibility to adjust your riding accordingly, meaning SLOW DOWN ESPECIALLY WHILE TURNING SO THE BRACKETS OR FOOTPEGS DON’T IMPACT THE GROUND, UNWEIGHT THE TIRES AND CAUSE A CRASH. Note the footpegs are the first part of the bike to touch the ground in a hard lean;they start to fold and that is your indication you have pushed it to the limit. HORSEAPPLE RANCH AND MARK TOBIAS WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CONSEQUENCE OF YOU INSTALLING THESE ADAPTER PLATES ON YOUR BIKE. BY INSTALLING THESE PLATES YOU AGREE TO HOLD HORSEAPPLE RANCH AND MARK TOBIAS HARMLESS FOR ANY INJURY YOU MIGHT SUSTAIN THAT RESULTS FROM THEIR USE."

Apart from that, thanks for the kudos.

[98 VALK]

I started this post to thank MR. MARK for his product. It works great for me & i'am glad i installed them on my bike. I saw the warning about the peg's possibly hitting the ground if you drive aggressive on the paperwork he sent with my order. But it went in one ear & out the other because i do not drive aggressive. Doing the peg extention was one of the best things that i have ever done on my bike. My comfort level of driving my bike is a lot more forgiving with these lowered pegs. Went for a short drive again today after changing the antifreeze and the synthetic gear lube ( AMSOIL )in the rear end & it was refreshing for my leg's not to feel cramped up. My 1998 VALKYRIE is 18 years old & still looks like it rolled off the showroom floor. One of the best machines ever offered by HONDA motorcycles & i own one. Don't ya love it.

[valk52411]

Put mine on yesterday and the difference was night and day. I have size 13's and before I had a heck of a time shifting now its not a problem. Took at most 15-20 minutes to install looks great and you would not know it was there if it wasn't pointed out.

[98valk]

IMHO it is always safer to raise the seat height and then handlebars and mirrors as needed than to lower the pegs. why reduce the ground clearance on a great handling bike? that's why so many other cruisers crash, no ground clearance when leaning over.
and due to the shaft drive, getting off the throttle causes the bike to lower, further reducing the ground clearance.
 hitting a foot peg hard pogo's the rear tire and down u can go.  
as noted in the instructions, which really means nothing to a lawyer.

[davit]

Mark, I was simply making an observation not an attack on you or your product.  I made the purchase fully aware that the pegs would drag sooner, I don't believe you have been misleading at all.  I changed the title of my post to "PEG LOWERING OBSERVATIONS" to better reflect that.

Another thing that showed up in class and posed a more real danger was my Kuryakin highway boards dragging as an inflexible hard part during an obstacle avoidance manuver.  Boards removed problem solved.  

[MarkT]

IMHO it is always safer to raise the seat height and then handlebars and mirrors as needed than to lower the pegs. why reduce the ground clearance on a great handling bike? that's why so many other cruisers crash, no ground clearance when leaning over.
and due to the shaft drive, getting off the throttle causes the bike to lower, further reducing the ground clearance.
 hitting a foot peg hard pogo's the rear tire and down u can go.  
as noted in the instructions, which really means nothing to a lawyer.

It's easier and cheaper to lower the pegs than raise the seat and handlebars, if you don't ride aggressively.
The good thing about the pegs hitting first, and otherwise much better clearance to the frame and more leanability than many or most of HD cruisers, is they fold while telling you you are touching down on the pegs.  The next parts to drag don't fold up.  But I've seen a number of Valks with very aggressive riders, who drag and grind down the crash bars.  Ballsy I think.  That's right on the edge of a crash.

I'm not a lawyer (and don't play one on TV) but I have never installed the kit on a rider's bike.  While warning he is reducing the lean clearance if the rider installs it.  The rider knows his style and I'm saying, lower the pegs if you need the leg extension and your riding style is appropriate.  It's an aftermarket mod the rider opts to install.  Not a recall issue. And with the pegs lowered, the bike still has more clearance than a lot of American iron.

Mark, I was simply making an observation not an attack on you or your product.  I made the purchase fully aware that the pegs would drag sooner, I don't believe you have been misleading at all.  I changed the title of my post to "PEG LOWERING OBSERVATIONS" to better reflect that.

Another thing that showed up in class and posed a more real danger was my Kuryakin highway boards dragging as an inflexible hard part during an obstacle avoidance manuver.  Boards removed problem solved.  

I want folks to have a correct understanding they are reducing the clearance.  But if they are easy riders (borrowing and changing the term) who never get close to dragging anyway, your post may discourage them from more comfort when the warning doesn't really apply to their style.  There is a certain limit to how hard to push a Valkyrie, the peg kit changes the limit.  Neither can you push a Valkyrie like it's a sport bike.  But you can push it more than a Harley.

Don't the Kury boards have hinges on them?

As a sidebar, I have installed forward controls on Deerslayer and Jade.  With only a little practice, I found it much easier to do full lock turns, feet high, while dragging the pegs.  Never comfortable with that before.  I don't have or need the peg lower kits on mine - legs not that long. I can hear the pegs drag, and when I do, that's aggressive enough. So I don't have tactile feedback like you do with feet on the lower pegs.

I used to regularly drag pegs in the twisties.  Not so much anymore.  Getting older I suppose, slowing down some.  Or maybe more aware of my mortality as I get closer to the end, so maybe less wild & crazy. Now I would probably install the kit on my bikes if I needed it.