Ticking

[Kidd]

At idle , I hear a ticking noise from the motor , both sides have the same amount of ticking .

Y'all's do this ,  too ?
Is mine normal ??

Kidd

[CajunRider]

My Goldwing does it from time to time... but only at idle and before it's warmed up.  The cold engine part makes it hard to show a mechanic, so no professional has listed to it yet.

To me, it sounds like valve slack (a good thing... up to a point). 

It has done it since new... 20K miles so far and not a single issue. 

[Kidd]

Thank you CJ

Had her idling for a few minutes  , then the fan came on , damn  thing blows  hot air straight  forward .
This has got to be a stupid  direction for hot air , as it may come right back on driver

Better to aim it down , not forward

[mikesgotmods]

Hey Kidd, I have been lurking on Goldwing boards to see if anybody else has this issue. Mine does it just at idle, rev and it goes away. The bike is so quiet that any noise is obvious. I put my helmet on and ignore it. It's quite common and after much debate, the final conclusion seems to be the fuel injectors making the noise. Also asked my dealers shop and same answer.  As far as the fan blowing air forward, that's to keep the heat from blowing out the sides and back on us. Some Goldwing guys figured out how to reverse the fan direction so it's possible if it's bothersome, but I like never feeling the heat. When the bike moves forward, forced air overcomes the forward blowing air and cools down the radiators and fans stop. Then air is forced through the rads and out the sides of the bike. 

[Kidd]

Thanks Mike

Okay , the forward facing vent needs air  coming in to cool it off , then ,when it gets too hot ,that's  when the fan turns on , it's reversed in direction , blowing forward

Right ?
Right

[goldstar903]

Some of the noise is from the valve shims. Our bikes do not have hydraulic lifters. 

[Robert]

The hot air blowing forward is perfect and a nice design for this bike. When stopped or anything below 19 mph when hot, the fan will stay on. But go above 19 and the fans shut off and the bike allows the air to flow the through the radiators in the natural direction. Drop below 19 and the engine is still hot and they will come back on but not necessarily immediately. There is not enough air moving below 19 MPH to overcome the fans. 

 Now as long as you are not listening to a noise in the front of the bike its a perfect solution.  I must admit when those fans come on they move some hot air

I have been stuck in traffic in Miami and been thankful for the design of the airflow in regards to comfort of the driver. For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would reverse the fans directions. They are ECU and temp switch controlled with the fan blades designed accordingly and very well thought out. But in going forward in all the times I have been on the bike with the fans on I have never felt hot air on me from the fans. This is a big difference between this bike and the 1500 which the hot air from the engine blows on the driver.

[Kidd]

well,  this brings me to my next question , is it possible for the fan to create so much forward force , it will move the bike backwards , as in " reverse "   

[Robert]

well,  this brings me to my next question , is it possible for the fan to create so much forward force , it will move the bike backwards , as in " reverse "   

 

NO the appropriate question is will the bike seemingly be going in reverse while you are blown away from standing in front of the bike listening to noises. 

[Fsixer]

I have been stuck in traffic in Miami and been thankful for the design of the airflow in regards to comfort of the driver. For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would reverse the fans directions. They are ECU and temp switch controlled with the fan blades designed accordingly and very well thought out. But in going forward in all the times I have been on the bike with the fans on I have never felt hot air on me from the fans. This is a big difference between this bike and the 1500 which the hot air from the engine blows on the driver.

+1000
Coolest (no pun intended) bike I've ever been stuck in traffic with and I've had a plenty. I too think its an ingenious design that works incredibly well. Love this bike.

[AdrianR]

Relax dude... fuel injectors...listen to ANY modern fuel injected engine...they all exhibit the same noise...

as far as the fan and direction of airflow..  BRILLIANT...  This is a superb design characteristic...forward and AWAY from the rider...

Think my friend, THINK...

[CajunRider]

Keep in mind the reverse flow fan thing...

The fans shut off above somewhere around 15-20 mph (I think someone mentioned 19??).  So once at speed, the radiators work normally. 

However, keep in mind that at somewhere between 10 & 15 mph, while the fans are still running... air movement from forward motion matches what the fan puts out.  If you stay at that perfect speed for an extended time, it CAN cause the engine overheat.  I've had mine get REAL close to the red when stuck behind slow traffic on Pikes Peak. 

When stuck at that speed, keep an eye on the temp.  Either stop moving and let the fans work for a minute or two before continuing on, or find a way to speed up and let forward motion do the cooling. 

I get the reason Honda did the reverse flow thing, but the Wing radiators point to the side... not back.  I just don't see where fighting forward motion is any help as opposed to working WITH forward motion.   

[dans2014]

  I put an override switch on my fans and when I turn them on, its like turbo assist!!! and I get 100 mpg! 

[Kidd]

Agreed as it seems silly for forward directed air ,  there is probably  a good reason for the Japs  to  come up with this design , maybe it sounded good at the discussion table but in  real time experience  not so great .
Trying to second guess their reason is futile .
OTOH  , hwy 179 into Sedona from i 40 can be backed up for 10 miles , traffic  reduced to a crawl .
Forward  directed heat   sounds like a good idea to me ,  maybe they have been to Sedona via hwy 179 , 10 miles of crawling traffic is very rare.
I'd think  normal situations  with slow speed  where the fan would come of , heat going out the sides would be fine .

I am not too impressed the size of  intakes  for the radiators , I'd make them bigger

Keep in mind the reverse flow fan thing...

The fans shut off above somewhere around 15-20 mph (I think someone mentioned 19??).  So once at speed, the radiators work normally.  

However, keep in mind that at somewhere between 10 & 15 mph, while the fans are still running... air movement from forward motion matches what the fan puts out.  If you stay at that perfect speed for an extended time, it CAN cause the engine overheat.  I've had mine get REAL close to the red when stuck behind slow traffic on Pikes Peak.  

When stuck at that speed, keep an eye on the temp.  Either stop moving and let the fans work for a minute or two before continuing on, or find a way to speed up and let forward motion do the cooling.  

I get the reason Honda did the reverse flow thing, but the Wing radiators point to the side... not back.  I just don't see where fighting forward motion is any help as opposed to working WITH forward motion.  

[Robert]

Radiator

Radiators come mounted on both sides of the vehicle.
To prevent warm air flowing through the radiator from discomforting the rider, the development team has placed the air intake in the top of the radiator to create a backward air flow that diverts the warm air coming through the radiator away from the rider. * Patent pending.
Side-mounted radiator

http://world.honda.com/GoldWing/F6C/powerunit/index.html

[SteveC]

Agreed as it seems silly for forward directed air ,  there is probably  a good reason for the Japs  to  come up with this design , maybe it sounded good at the discussion table but in  real time experience  not so great .
Trying to second guess their reason is futile .
OTOH  , hwy 179 into Sedona from i 40 can be backed up for 10 miles , traffic  reduced to a crawl .
Forward  directed heat   sounds like a good idea to me ,  maybe they have been to Sedona via hwy 179 , 10 miles of crawling traffic is very rare.
I'd think  normal situations  with slow speed  where the fan would come of , heat going out the sides would be fine .

I am not too impressed the size of  intakes  for the radiators , I'd make them bigger

Keep in mind the reverse flow fan thing...

The fans shut off above somewhere around 15-20 mph (I think someone mentioned 19??).  So once at speed, the radiators work normally. 

However, keep in mind that at somewhere between 10 & 15 mph, while the fans are still running... air movement from forward motion matches what the fan puts out.  If you stay at that perfect speed for an extended time, it CAN cause the engine overheat.  I've had mine get REAL close to the red when stuck behind slow traffic on Pikes Peak. 

When stuck at that speed, keep an eye on the temp.  Either stop moving and let the fans work for a minute or two before continuing on, or find a way to speed up and let forward motion do the cooling. 

I get the reason Honda did the reverse flow thing, but the Wing radiators point to the side... not back.  I just don't see where fighting forward motion is any help as opposed to working WITH forward motion.   

From the diagram it appears that the 'backward flow' of air means that the air comes in from the inside of the radiator, and exits outward from the side, and not forward.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Agreed as it seems silly for forward directed air ,  there is probably  a good reason for the Japs  to  come up with this design , maybe it sounded good at the discussion table but in  real time experience  not so great .
Trying to second guess their reason is futile .
OTOH  , hwy 179 into Sedona from i 40 can be backed up for 10 miles , traffic  reduced to a crawl .
Forward  directed heat   sounds like a good idea to me ,  maybe they have been to Sedona via hwy 179 , 10 miles of crawling traffic is very rare.
I'd think  normal situations  with slow speed  where the fan would come of , heat going out the sides would be fine .

I am not too impressed the size of  intakes  for the radiators , I'd make them bigger

Keep in mind the reverse flow fan thing...

The fans shut off above somewhere around 15-20 mph (I think someone mentioned 19??).  So once at speed, the radiators work normally.  

However, keep in mind that at somewhere between 10 & 15 mph, while the fans are still running... air movement from forward motion matches what the fan puts out.  If you stay at that perfect speed for an extended time, it CAN cause the engine overheat.  I've had mine get REAL close to the red when stuck behind slow traffic on Pikes Peak.  

When stuck at that speed, keep an eye on the temp.  Either stop moving and let the fans work for a minute or two before continuing on, or find a way to speed up and let forward motion do the cooling.  

I get the reason Honda did the reverse flow thing, but the Wing radiators point to the side... not back.  I just don't see where fighting forward motion is any help as opposed to working WITH forward motion.  

Don't you mean Hiway 89A ?

[Kidd]

Nope  , I do mean hwy  179   from I 17 not I 40 ,got the wrong interstate   , traffic backed up to the Village of Oak Creek and a couple of miles more .
What a mess  on weekends

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=hwy+179+sedona&oq=hwy++179&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l3j0i22i30l7.2867.2867.0.4486.2.2.0.0.0.0.124.221.1j1.2.0....0...1c.2.64.hp..0.1.122.0.vkkDzW57eZk

[AdrianR]

Radiator

Radiators come mounted on both sides of the vehicle.
To prevent warm air flowing through the radiator from discomforting the rider, the development team has placed the air intake in the top of the radiator to create a backward air flow that diverts the warm air coming through the radiator away from the rider. * Patent pending.
Side-mounted radiator

http://world.honda.com/GoldWing/F6C/powerunit/index.html

Actually, quite brilliant.  I can find no faults in this bike, except the stock, hard ass seat...other then that?  NOTHING.  And then consider what we paid for these things new...

[goldstar903]

Radiator

Radiators come mounted on both sides of the vehicle.
To prevent warm air flowing through the radiator from discomforting the rider, the development team has placed the air intake in the top of the radiator to create a backward air flow that diverts the warm air coming through the radiator away from the rider. * Patent pending.
Side-mounted radiator

http://world.honda.com/GoldWing/F6C/powerunit/index.html


Adrian, oh my god, you forgot the TIRES? 

Actually, quite brilliant.  I can find no faults in this bike, except the stock, hard ass seat...other then that?  NOTHING.  And then consider what we paid for these things new...