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Funny how "educated" people can't see the similarity in this video, to the indoctrination of school children during the cultural revolution in China when they given Mao Zedong's "little red book" as part of their education.  I encourage teachers to teach school children to be patriots and love their country, however these teachings have to be agnostic with respect to any individual politician or political party. Once that line has been crossed, it becomes indoctrination....not patriotism. I would have been just as upset if this same indoctrination had occurred during George Bush's watch. Parents should expect that the education being received centers around the "3 R's", and not involve political indoctrination from either the right or left. 20 years ago I would have laughed at what I just wrote, any suggestion that such a seemingly innocent gesture could be dangerous would have seemed ridiculous....and would have been excellent material for a nice satire on Saturday Night Live with Dan Akroyd playing the paranoid conservative. History has taught us that we can't ignore these seemingly "innocent" acts. Jews along with the rest of the world ignored the seemingly innocent "ramblings" of Adolf Hitler in "Mein Kampf". They ignored it until one day the world woke up and realized that they were not "ramblings" at all, he had very clearly stated while in prison his ideology and his objectives; and that it was now too late too stop him. If the ideological hearts of minds of our youth allowed to be "groomed" by the liberal leaning educators of this country, I feel that one day many of us (even the moderate liberals among us) will wake up and realize that Saul Alinsky's plan worked to perfection; and it may not be what some of us had hoped for.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 08:34:19 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 08:50:09 AM » |
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Jim, I agree with your statement, but the ball is already rolling and most are saying " OH MY" and then going along their way.  With their head up where the sun don`t shine.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 08:53:08 AM » |
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Obama is hoping that in 10 years, when those kids can vote he will be the only name on the ballot for them to vote for
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 09:52:31 AM » |
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I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight" 
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 10:01:22 AM » |
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 10:10:49 AM » |
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Oh the RIOTS are Coming!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 10:17:08 AM » |
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I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"  Good point G-man....I see that you noticed that line just like I did. It took me back 45 years to elementary school when we sang "Jesus loves the little children". As a matter of fact, there is only one change in the lyric from the original song itself. Lyrics from Jesus loves the little children: "Black and yellow, red and white They're all precious in His sight" Lyrics from the Obama indoctrination song: "Black and yellow, red and white They're all equal in His sight" Before I get flamed...THIS IS A GREAT MESSAGE. However, I don't want school children singing songs praising Obama (or any other political figure) that are so similar to know religious songs. It doesn't take much of an imagination to suggest that subliminally children could make an association between the two. Once again, the primary job of teachers is to teach the 3 R's, secondarily teach our kids to respect our flag and country....but keep politics out of it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 10:28:37 AM » |
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I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"  What's wrong with that? Are not people of all colors, races, religions, sexual orientation, not at least entitled to equal opportunity? Wierd... equal in his sight... actually who could GAS if it were God or Obama?
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 10:54:53 AM » |
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I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"  What's wrong with that? Are not people of all colors, races, religions, sexual orientation, not at least entitled to equal opportunity? Wierd... equal in his sight... actually who could GAS if it were God or Obama? Not following the "GAS" thing, Eagle. As stated by JimL, The line was taken from a religious song taught to children. Nobody should be taught that a man, or woman, especially a politician, is likened to a religious figure. I did state that I was OK with the rest of the speech, which included equal this and equal that didn't I? INCREDIBLE how you immediately threw color, race, religion, and sexual orientation at me. You can't put me in my place, or make me shut up by calling me a bigot. I won't allow you to. There is nothing in my post that could have possibley been discriminatory to any of those in the categories you mentioned. I've watched, with delight mostly, how you go back and forth with others, always being wacky voice. But this time you went for the jugular immediately. Shame on you. I will never reply to a post of yours again. Reply as you will........you lose this time because you went way to far.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 11:02:45 AM » |
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INCREDIBLE how you immediately threw color, race, religion, and sexual orientation at me. I THREW what at you? Methinks you protest too loudly.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 12:21:10 PM » |
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I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"  What's wrong with that? Is this a rhetorical question? Did you keep reading? Remember who you are: Strong Eagle, not Straw Man... -Mike
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 12:25:38 PM » |
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G-man:
As a neutral observer, I can see where there could be a misunderstanding.
Your post was very succinct and made no reference to why you thought the phrase "equal in his sight" was troublesome. The posts have been edited, but as I write this the complete post is:
I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"
If you honestly look at your post and pretend you don't know what you meant, you can see that the post could easily be misconstrued as having racist overtones.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 12:30:55 PM » |
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JimL:
I 100% agree that the video is disturbing, and I agree 100% that politics and religion should be kept out of the classroom (insofar as is possible in a nation of human beings rather than robots).
However, I see no evidence that it is anything other than one overzealous teacher who should be reprimanded.
I see NO reason to link it to a government-mandated program intended to glorify or even deify a Great Leader or whatever like China did under Mao.
Please correct me if you have evidence that the US government directly or indirectly encouraged this teacher to teach this song.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 12:53:56 PM » |
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G-man:
As a neutral observer, I can see where there could be a misunderstanding.
Your post was very succinct and made no reference to why you thought the phrase "equal in his sight" was troublesome. The posts have been edited, but as I write this the complete post is:
I was fine with it, until the end where they sing that all the colors of people are "equal in his sight"
If you honestly look at your post and pretend you don't know what you meant, you can see that the post could easily be misconstrued as having racist overtones.
Respectfully, Theopowers, I even have quotation marks around what I disagreed with. IF, and this is a huge IF..........my sentence was misunderstood, then the person should have only gone as far as color. This went way past that with the addititon of race, sexual orientation, etc. All were specifically written, as there are no mention of these things in the children's song or my post, in order to call someone a bigot.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 12:58:00 PM » |
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JimL:
I 100% agree that the video is disturbing, and I agree 100% that politics and religion should be kept out of the classroom (insofar as is possible in a nation of human beings rather than robots).
However, I see no evidence that it is anything other than one overzealous teacher who should be reprimanded.
I see NO reason to link it to a government-mandated program intended to glorify or even deify a Great Leader or whatever like China did under Mao.
Please correct me if you have evidence that the US government directly or indirectly encouraged this teacher to teach this song.
Theo the point you make is absolutely correct and very much on point. I appreciate you making it. The analogy I made to China's cultural revolution and the glorification of Chairman Mao as a mandatory aspect of the Chinese school curriculum, was not meant to suggest that a parallel exists with our school system. Currently it does not. The analogy was made to demonstrate that it is well known that indoctrination at an early age is effective in shaping the ideology that children will carry into adulthood. If teachers (we may disagree on this, but it is generally held that educators tend to be more liberal than a random sampling of the population) are allowed to espouse their political beliefs to their students at their digression, then I believe this to be dangerous. Unfortunately I have to drop off for a meeting....I could ramble on a bit more!
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 01:17:24 PM » |
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I guess the following song could be confused with a Christmas carol: George Washington, George Washington, Your birth we celebrate. You helped to make Our country free; You helped to make it great. The stars and stripes That make our flag Were chosen first by you; And so for you Our flags we wave, Long live the red, white and blue! 
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 01:18:33 PM » |
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Yeah, I don't like it either. I couldn't understand all the words, but the "semi-hymn" part is most disturbing of all. Most..I'll say it again...MOST kids in the U.S. are familiar with the "Jesus Loves The Little Children" song and in their developing minds it is entirely possible for them to equate the songs and their subjects, Jesus and Hussein Obama. NOT a good idea no matter who the prez is. As far as this being a "gov-led Mao" thing, no, I don't see it. But it is (another) step in the wrong direction. Like gun control, they won't (can't) do it all at once, so they'll try it one step at a time. YMMV.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 01:19:12 PM » |
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IF..........my sentence was misunderstood, then the person should have only gone as far as color. This went way past that with the addititon of race, sexual orientation, etc. All were specifically written.
Understood. Fair enough. However, I can easily see a person responding to a perceived racist post with a commentary that "we are all equal regardless of race, color or creed etc etc" without specifically calling the original poster out on all those points. From my perspective that's just stock phrasing in discussions of "equality" and it doesn't (necessarily) indicate that new accusations were being made. Again, as a neutral observer, I don't see him address you specifically as a bigot or homophobe, unless he did previously and then edited his posts. I agree that Strong Eagle goes over the top sometimes (usually?), but in this case - just looking at the words written - I don't see reason to feel such visceral personal insult.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 03:23:51 PM » |
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Only one line was found to be the disturbing part of all of this? If that were my child being indoctrinated that way I would be OUTRAGED ! Mostly due to the blatant use of school children to promote political views of adults. NO wonder so many people want to homeschool.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2009, 03:35:12 PM » |
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"we are all equal regardless of race, color or creed etc etc"
Actually that only works between us citizens... when it comes to the Federal or state gov, it doesnt. If your anything other than a white male and you owe something to them, being a minority or a woman will get ya off the hook. However, if your a "white guy" your stuck with the penalties. No mercy there. I paid 25k to them in penalties last year because a customer stuck me for a pile of money and threw my cash flow for a loop. The first words from the Revenue Officer when I called them to fix my back taxes was her asking me if I was a woman or a minority employer. If I were, I could be let off the hook for taxes owed. The penalties were higher than the owed taxes btw.
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2009, 03:52:32 PM » |
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2009, 04:05:28 PM » |
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Youse guys are a LAFF RIOT!
THE SOCIALIST SPEAKS! Ignore him, he's an ojon provocateur.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2009, 05:35:06 PM » |
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I found this quote from a person who posted comments to the news story of this: "Now I am sure that the ACLU, given their track record of banishing anything to do with religion, is going to be all over this. I expect them to be in front and taking the lead in separating the religion of Obama worship from being taught in our public schools. Am I correct on that? The morons who blindly worship this clown are just as bad as he is." - anonymous
Not saying I agree or disagree with this guy's take on it, just struck me as funny, that's all.
The chanting of the children was a bit creepy, though, methinks.
Also, for those of us of the Christian persuasion, I offer this: The First Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
That is pretty good "advice" for us.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2009, 08:19:48 AM » |
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Yeah, well, I sure did not vote for him.
One reason was the "Big Lie" method found within the pages of "Mein Kampf". Control the media and you will control the populace, just ask Joseph Goebbels. We (should) learn alot from history. those who don't....yada yada yada.
But I hoped he could make a change. A change he did make.
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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2009, 08:58:59 AM » |
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As a teacher of teenagers, I have 150 go through my classroom each day, I think it is important to allow students to view all most all messages. I would rather have informed students who understand that there are many opinions and political views out in the real world, than limiting them to views of the current koolaide in the air. I say that now and and did during our last administration.
I work hard not to influence students with my political views but to develop their ability to process information, determine it's validity and form their own opinions. To do this you have to let them be exposed to all/most of the info out there. Of course there are some exceptions.
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2009, 09:05:41 AM » |
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2009, 05:26:43 PM » |
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It isn't a mole hill when teachers indoctrinate their students politicly! teach them to read and write and the history of this great nation and leave politics alone!! The class room is not the place for politics slanted from either side. It is sickening how they are making this guy into some kind of demi-god....... 
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2009, 05:30:07 PM » |
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2009, 05:42:36 PM » |
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People are making a moutain out of a mole hill on this song.
Farther don't you already have your hands full reclaiming your territory from those aggressors to the south (California) and to the north (Oregon)!!
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2009, 08:05:23 PM » |
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It is very disturbing...... those young children can't even be encouraged to sing a song about their god but they are encouraged to sing that???? What has happend to us.... god bless us all.
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